The Swamp

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:00 pm If you look at their careers, midseason 1954 is probably the exact last time that's a defensible argument.

Snider: https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... osition=OF
Mays: https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... osition=OF
Mantle: https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... osition=OF

That story must have been teased on the cover.

James Paxton has apparently been traded to the Yankees.

I either really like this or really don't.

Shit, Sheffield is part of the trade. I was ready to love that dude but I also tend to trust Cashman when it comes to knowing which prospects to trade and which not to.

Haha, he sucks!

Wait I’m thinking of James Pullman

So the Mariners did exactly what I've said other teams should do by prioritizing the top piece over multiple lesser pieces. Overall, I'm good with this. Paxton is an injury risk and Sheffield is one of the top lefty starting prospects BUT Paxton also had much better component stats in the majors than Sheffield had at AAA.

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:51 pm So the Mariners did exactly what I've said other teams should do by prioritizing the top piece over multiple lesser pieces. Overall, I'm good with this. Paxton is an injury risk and Sheffield is one of the top lefty starting prospects BUT Paxton also had much better component stats in the majors than Sheffield had at AAA.

A lot of people see Sheffield's future in the bullpen. I like the trade, so long as it doesn't stop them from getting another SP like Corbin.

I can't remember the last time I was more confident of a free agent coming to NY than Corbin. Can't imagine this trade changes any of that.

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:36 pm I can't remember the last time I was more confident of a free agent coming to NY than Corbin. Can't imagine this trade changes any of that.

Unless Cleveland sends Kluber to NY for a package centered around Andujar and the Yankees sign Machado.

Swanson came over in the Beltran trade, btw.

I'm a big no on Kluber assuming his price is like double Paxton's. 33 to start next year and everything ticked down just a little this season.

Its also pretty amazing that Cashman turned the 2nd piece for a (great) reliever into a legit ace.

Goldy to Astros would easily be my favorite trade or free agent acquisition by any of my teams of all-time.

Another guy on my Kluber list where I think the cost would be insane and there's a good chance he's starting his decline. Also he'd make Houston even better.

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:44 pm Shit, Sheffield is part of the trade. I was ready to love that dude but I also tend to trust Cashman when it comes to knowing which prospects to trade and which not to.

More than a few Indians fans were hoping they would get Sheffield and Frazier back if they traded Kluber to the Yankees.

Sabo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:46 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:44 pm Shit, Sheffield is part of the trade. I was ready to love that dude but I also tend to trust Cashman when it comes to knowing which prospects to trade and which not to.

More than a few Indians fans were hoping they would get Sheffield and Frazier back if they traded Kluber to the Yankees.

I’m guessing the Indians didn’t want Sheffield back. Frazier’s going to rake though, presuming he gets a clean bill of health.

Based on what?

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:50 am

Sabo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:46 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:44 pm Shit, Sheffield is part of the trade. I was ready to love that dude but I also tend to trust Cashman when it comes to knowing which prospects to trade and which not to.

More than a few Indians fans were hoping they would get Sheffield and Frazier back if they traded Kluber to the Yankees.

I’m guessing the Indians didn’t want Sheffield back. Frazier’s going to rake though, presuming he gets a clean bill of health.

I’m assuming Cashman kicked the tires on Kluber, and Frazier destroyed AAA pitching in an extreme pitcher’s park last year (unsure what point you were referring to)..

Why Cleveland wouldn’t want Sheffield. I assume it would be a lot closer to wouldn’t do the almost one for one Seattle did.

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:30 am Why Cleveland wouldn’t want Sheffield. I assume it would be a lot closer to wouldn’t do the almost one for one Seattle did.

Perhaps Cleveland already formed their opinion on Sheffield as potentially a great RP, and haven’t seen enough since the trade to change that opinion. I’m not saying a great RP isn’t something to be excited about, but maybe not for giving up 3 years of Kluber’s adjustment into a crafty, veteran SP.

Shades of Moose...

Adrian Beltre retires.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:48 pm Adrian Beltre retires.

One my favorite players and IMO one of the most underrated players in my 40+ years on this earth. I was hoping he'd play another 2 years to get into top 10 in hits and 500 homers. I thought he still had some gas left in tank but after 21 he bows out while still playing well.

Should be a first ballot HoFer. I suspect when it's all said and done he will be, but there will be a lot of (virtual) ink spilled about him leading up to the first vote.

It’s absolute bullshit that the two comps you’ll hear will be Rolen and Andruw and it’ll be by dipshits who don’t realize all three should be in.

Room temp take: In an either/or, he 100% goes ahead of Edgar.

17-time non-All-Star.

Tap of the head to a great career.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:41 pm James Paxton has apparently been traded to the Yankees.

And the Mariners enter year 19 of their rebuilding plan. Tune in next week when they are eliminated from playoff contention.

What the fuck are the Mets doing chasing down Cano and Diaz?

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:47 am What the fuck are the Mets doing chasing down Cano and Diaz?

I got nothing.

Cano and Tebow will sure sell seats in September

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:23 pm Cano and Tebow will sure sell seats in September

My first thought was "OK, yeah the Mets are trying to sell tickets" and of course that's the foremost goal for a franchise financially at least, but I'll never understand that philosophy from a front office standpoint since the only thing that consistently sells tickets in any market is winning.

No one is going to show up because of a 36 year old former Yankee making $24MM per. Feels like this might be teams rushing to fuck up the first time front office guy.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:32 pm No one is going to show up because of a 36 year old former Yankee making $24MM per. Feels like this might be teams rushing to fuck up the first time front office guy.

C'mon, man. He's a future Hall of Famer. Of course he'll sell some tickets. I'm not saying he'll sell a shitload, but having Cano on the team vs. not having him on the team in a scenario where they go 72-90 either way, the scenario in which Cano is on the team results in a few more butts in the seats.

Of course, I don't know why they're interested in acquiring him for sure, but that's about the only plausible scenario. But even if that's true it's dumb as shit.

I don't even think its his standing as a would-be HoFer, I think its a cynical appeal to Dominicans. I just don't see it working. There's a difference between marketability (Stanton might hit the ball 600 feet) and steady greatness (Cano doubles a lot).

(I guess its also worth wondering what Van Wagenen's relationship is with Dipoto and whether he'd be willing to play along to drum up interest or gouge out someone else in the NL.)

(Oh Jesus F'ing Christ ... I searched "Van Wagenen Dipoto" and found out Van Wagenen was one of Cano's agents.)

I was also not being serious