Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:35 pm

From personal experience up there... Every fucking inch of turf has an out-sized level of import. I'm not gonna say it's petty or whatever, but it's absolutely a statement.

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:25 pm

If he ever does get sunk, it's not gonna be one thing that sinks him, but stuff like lying about how much money he has is the kind of stuff that will do it compared to putting kids in cages (which is a sad state of affairs in this country, yes -- a million times yes, but don't kill the messenger).

Post by **brian** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:20 pm

Between Trump's unhinged tweetstorm yesterday and this, I honestly don't know what the fuck to think. We're all fucked. I need to get out of this country.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:44 pm

If you had an employee wouldn't you be pissed off that the person is clearly on social media at all hours of the working day?

The fucking guy is tweeting out Fox News clips now.

Post by **brian** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:29 pm

I don't know if I can throw stones at that glass house, but the President of the United States theoretically should be busier than me.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:07 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:44 pm If you had an employee wouldn't you be pissed off that the person is clearly on social media at all hours of the working day?

The fucking guy is tweeting out Fox News clips now.

That's how he gets intelligence briefs. Every other President wasted enormous amounts of time and resources using the CIA, FBI and the rest of the Intel Agencies to gather information and present daily briefings. That involved 10s of thousands of employees and massive amounts of resources. Trump just watches Doocey, Kilmeade and the rotating blonde bimbos on Fox and Friends to get his information. Work smarter, not harder, that's what I say. And it takes Trump less time to watch 3 hours of Fox and Friends than to read a 3 page report, and he can actually understand the TV morons, so he is saving time!

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:07 am

I imagine that dinner is fun at the Conway home.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:11 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:07 pm
Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:44 pm If you had an employee wouldn't you be pissed off that the person is clearly on social media at all hours of the working day?

The fucking guy is tweeting out Fox News clips now.
That's how he gets intelligence briefs. Every other President wasted enormous amounts of time and resources using the CIA, FBI and the rest of the Intel Agencies to gather information and present daily briefings. That involved 10s of thousands of employees and massive amounts of resources. Trump just watches Doocey, Kilmeade and the rotating blonde bimbos on Fox and Friends to get his information. Work smarter, not harder, that's what I say. And it takes Trump less time to watch 3 hours of Fox and Friends than to read a 3 page report, and he can actually understand the TV morons, so he is saving time!

So, privatization.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:31 am

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:11 am
The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:07 pm
Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:44 pm If you had an employee wouldn't you be pissed off that the person is clearly on social media at all hours of the working day?

The fucking guy is tweeting out Fox News clips now.
That's how he gets intelligence briefs. Every other President wasted enormous amounts of time and resources using the CIA, FBI and the rest of the Intel Agencies to gather information and present daily briefings. That involved 10s of thousands of employees and massive amounts of resources. Trump just watches Doocey, Kilmeade and the rotating blonde bimbos on Fox and Friends to get his information. Work smarter, not harder, that's what I say. And it takes Trump less time to watch 3 hours of Fox and Friends than to read a 3 page report, and he can actually understand the TV morons, so he is saving time!
So, privatization.

Do a degree, but worsem it's relying on the wild-ass speculations of 3 complete morons instead of consulting with experts with actual information obtained through the highest levels of classified technology, old fashioned spycraft and surveillance. But who wants that, when you can have a moron make a dopey face and compliment you while guessing at what is happening in international affairs. Steve Doocey, 12/10 on Trump's loyalty rating scale.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:37 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:07 am I imagine that dinner is fun at the Conway home.

In the parlance of professional wrestling, its a work.

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:39 am

That's the likeliest scenario but I honestly don't understand to what end.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:49 am

Post-admin, they can either pivot to "of course he was acting" or "she was with him but felt the need to keep an adult inside".

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:25 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:49 am Post-admin, they can either pivot to "of course he was acting" or "she was with him but felt the need to keep an adult inside".

I'm going with the second option. I've read numerous sources that Kellyanne is behind some of the bigger leaks out of the Admin. I wouldn't be surprised if she plays that angle post-Trump. I mean, we've already seen she is willing to publicly flip beliefs and allegiances on a dime.

Interesting how when she was attacking Trump, she was so calm and rational, and defending Trump, she screams, talks fast and cuts off everyone trying to break down what she is saying, she throws out counterattacks out of left field, deflects, and does everything possible to never actually answer a question. Tells you everything, she doesn't believe the shit she spews for Trump, and she has no option but to spin, scream over questions, deflect and throw out counter attacks to avoid answering any question. Funny how different she was before Trump hired her.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:51 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:25 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:49 am Post-admin, they can either pivot to "of course he was acting" or "she was with him but felt the need to keep an adult inside".
I'm going with the second option. I've read numerous sources that Kellyanne is behind some of the bigger leaks out of the Admin. I wouldn't be surprised if she plays that angle post-Trump. I mean, we've already seen she is willing to publicly flip beliefs and allegiances on a dime.

Interesting how when she was attacking Trump, she was so calm and rational, and defending Trump, she screams, talks fast and cuts off everyone trying to break down what she is saying, she throws out counterattacks out of left field, deflects, and does everything possible to never actually answer a question. Tells you everything, she doesn't believe the shit she spews for Trump, and she has no option but to spin, scream over questions, deflect and throw out counter attacks to avoid answering any question. Funny how different she was before Trump hired her.

But isn't that the only way that Trump can be defended?

Not being facetious, but when defending someone like that, there's no place for logic or reasoning.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:51 pm
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:25 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:49 am Post-admin, they can either pivot to "of course he was acting" or "she was with him but felt the need to keep an adult inside".
I'm going with the second option. I've read numerous sources that Kellyanne is behind some of the bigger leaks out of the Admin. I wouldn't be surprised if she plays that angle post-Trump. I mean, we've already seen she is willing to publicly flip beliefs and allegiances on a dime.

Interesting how when she was attacking Trump, she was so calm and rational, and defending Trump, she screams, talks fast and cuts off everyone trying to break down what she is saying, she throws out counterattacks out of left field, deflects, and does everything possible to never actually answer a question. Tells you everything, she doesn't believe the shit she spews for Trump, and she has no option but to spin, scream over questions, deflect and throw out counter attacks to avoid answering any question. Funny how different she was before Trump hired her.

But isn't that the only way that Trump can be defended?

Not being facetious, but when defending someone like that, there's no place for logic or reasoning.

Absolutely, that's the point I was trying to make. Conway's default setting isn't being insane shrieking monster. She can calmly and rationally attack Trump, but needs to resort to acting like a lunatic to defend him. That shows she doesn't believe in Trump or the shit she spews for him.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:56 pm

I've been saying since the beginning of Trump's Presidency that the only saving grace is his complete incompetence and inability to get competent people to work for him. Thanks to the Washington Post, we have empirical date to support that.

Lawsuits challenging Trump policies have shockingly high win rates. Historically, the government won approximately 70% of court challenges to new policies, under the Trump Admin... 6%. The Courts have ruled against Trump's policies in 94% of the cases! Holy fuck. Some money quotes on why:

In case after case, judges have rebuked Trump officials for failing to follow the most basic rules of governance for shifting policy, including providing legitimate explanations supported by facts and, where required, public input.

I’ve spent 30 years in the private sector complaining about the excesses of environmental regulation,” Jaffe said, but “this administration has given regulatory reform a bad name.”

Some errors are so basic that Jaffe said he has to wonder whether agency officials are more interested in announcing policy shifts than in actually implementing them. “It’s not just that they’re losing. But they’re being so nuts about it,” he said, adding that the losses in court have “set regulatory reform back for a period of time.”

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:58 pm

The conservatives have a script.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:26 pm

Jon Stewart and now John Oliver have proven this over and over and over again. Of course they have a script. They are a propaganda machine. That's not some over-the-top libtard viewpoint, it is absolutely what they are and have been for over close to 15 years now. It's MUCH worse now, as has been chronicled repeatedly, but this "everyone singing from the same song book" is absolutely nothing new.

It's why I simply don't engage in political discussion with people I know who get their talking points from that dumpster fire. And I don't entertain the bullshit notion that I'm not "getting all sides." Oh, I get it motherfucker, you people are in a cult of personality and can't be reasoned with anymore.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:23 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:58 pm The conservatives have a script.

And of course, the one thing that income inequality has established is that we are nowhere near running out of other people's money.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:34 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:23 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:58 pm The conservatives have a script.

And of course, the one thing that income inequality has established is that we are nowhere near running out of other people's money.

Seriously. It's a country where massive corporations get government handouts. The myth of the rugged individualist still plays well doesn't it?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:18 pm

So they mean like China, right?

The thing I've learned about money (in a macro sense) is that it's fictitious, mostly. And it's basically unlimited because we'll just go to war with you if you want to collect. We take in 19.6 trillion per GDP and we're 22 trillion in debt. I'm pretty sure we've both run out of money and keep spending the newly printed stuff.

What's socialism got to do with any of that? It's a party argument.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:39 pm

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:17 pm

Somehow, Trump is picking a fight with a dead man. And losing...

Jesus....what a flaming asshole.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:31 am

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:17 pm Somehow, Trump is picking a fight with a dead man. And losing...

Jesus....what a flaming asshole.

Ha I was in Lima yesterday. Didn’t know that’s the engine plant they’re shutting down.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:28 pm

BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:31 amHa I was in Lima yesterday.

Why? (I have a lot of family nearby.)

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:28 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:28 pm
BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:31 amHa I was in Lima yesterday.
Why? (I have a lot of family nearby.)

Couple work accounts in town. In lovely Kent this evening!

Post by **brian** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:30 pm

BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:28 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:28 pm
BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:31 amHa I was in Lima yesterday.
Why? (I have a lot of family nearby.)
Couple work accounts in town. In lovely Kent this evening!

The jewel of north-central Ohio. How I envy you.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:43 pm

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:20 pm

It is astounding and incredibly disturbing how these people have gone from being a rural lunatic fringe to having their hands on the levers of state in just a few short decades.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:59 pm

Hands on the levers of state is a great turn of phrase.

Post by **brian** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:07 pm

The Mueller Report has been delivered to the Attorney General.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:18 pm

Let's just get this thing over with... It's not going to have a smoking gun, Fox and the President will say "no collusion" for months and we can just let that shit play out and move on.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:23 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:18 pm Let's just get this thing over with... It's not going to have a smoking gun, Fox and the President will say "no collusion" for months and we can just let that shit play out and move on.

Well, we already have the smoking gun: "If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:28 pm

I think my point is that unless they have him on the record multiple times directly colluding or encouraging his family/staff to conspire with Russians, it's not going to move the needle. Things that are already on the record just aren't going to do it at this point.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:38 pm

The elephant (heh) in the room is when will the 13 sealed indictments become unsealed?

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:54 pm

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:01 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:54 pm

Secondary source quotes anonymous source?

Eh. No offense, but...

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:22 pm

Prediction: There is sufficient evidence that the following crimes have been committed by the president however in accordance with DOJ policy it is not the role or power of the DOJ to indict a sitting president.

Then Fox News runs headline saying NOT GUILTY: Mueller found no collusion and no indictments were filed.

Post by **brian** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:26 pm

Regardless of what it says, Fox News will say no collusion.