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Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:33 am
by DSafetyGuy
Joe K wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:41 amAlso, to Brian’s point, this feels like yet another example of liberal wishful thinking for a deus ex machina that gets rid of Trump without them having to beat him electorally. But that’s highly unlikely to happen, in any form. He’ll need to be beaten at the ballot box.
I think this a solid point about Democratic strategy because Trump being impeached will throw lots of "middle of the road" voters to their side, allowing them to take over both the legislative and executive branches. They would then likely keep with more "middle of the road" policies to keep those voters happy, leading to the status quo prevailing. There would likely be advances in areas like gerrymandering, voters' rights, and so on, but those actions will only be taken far enough to help keep their side in power.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:59 pm
by Pruitt
In case you were wondering -


Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:26 pm
by Johnny Carwash
#TriggeredJoseFeliciano

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:35 pm
by degenerasian
Trump isn't going to nuke the ocean to prevent hurricanes. He's just going to nuke Puerto Rico.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 pm
by sancarlos
Hey guys maybe this is what sinks him...


Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:05 pm
by EdRomero
I'm wondering if this comes back to Justice Kennedy resigning suddenly, and eventually leads to blow back about Kavanaugh being on the court.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:13 pm
by mister d
Fighting to declare a supreme court justice invalid would require actual courage, let alone relative-to-these-dems courage.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:36 pm
by phxgators
phxgators wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:02 pm
brian wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:20 pm
Johnnie wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:15 pm Trump has had quite a ratcheted up batshit couple of days to distract from the fact he wants indefinite detention for immigrants. This is beyond 25th Amendment territory.
He floated an executive order to outlaw birthright citizenship as well, arguably even more dangerous. Hard to see how SCOTUS would let that fly -- the 14th amendment seems pretty clear -- but I've learned not to let myself be surprised any more.
My wife was born abroad while her father was in the Air Force. This isn't the same situation obviously, but both of her parents were immigrants (her dad became a US citizen before she was born) too. Doubt things would go as far as affecting her, but like you said not much would surprise me anymore.
So, um.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... s-will-not

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:11 pm
by Johnnie
Yo. What the fuck.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:16 pm
by brian
He’s ramping up to Full Nazi.

(Nazi Germany wasn’t built in two years. It took at least four years depending on your opinion of the stability of Nazi rule. This is a step.)

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:40 pm
by Joe K


Can’t MSNBC (and other outlets) make the argument that Trump is a disgrace without (repeatedly) resorting to poorly sourced Russia conspiracies?

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:02 pm
by degenerasian
Joe K wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:40 pm

Can’t MSNBC (and other outlets) make the argument that Trump is a disgrace without (repeatedly) resorting to poorly sourced Russia conspiracies?
But that would not be newsworthy. The media is trying too hard.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:39 pm
by Pruitt
Joe K wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:40 pm

Can’t MSNBC (and other outlets) make the argument that Trump is a disgrace without (repeatedly) resorting to poorly sourced Russia conspiracies?
They can;t help themselves - like moths to a flame, these big shiny stories are so easy to explain and get outraged over.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:44 pm
by brian
It was a fuckup. It happens under all presidential administrations. If you want to be honest, given the reality of the political situation, the media landscape and our current society that there are no major media fuckups under this administration is pretty amazing

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:13 am
by Shirley
I didn't watch the clip from his show, but just saw some headlines and Tweets about it. I was suspicious about the idea that Trump's tax returns would indicate who cosigned his loans. That doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would be in a personal tax return. But then, I'm not a pretend billionaire, so what do I know.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:49 am
by L-Jam3
Fuck them. So a journalist didn't go through all the proper channels. Big deal. The other side continue to promote disproven conspiracy theories like Seth Rich and Pizzagate and now Benghazi. It doesn't matter to those fucks.

If Trump started dropping N-Bombs in the middle of the State of the Union, and CNN played the clip, there'd still be Trump supporters calling CNN Fake News like they doctored the video. Fuck them.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:13 am
by degenerasian
Shirley wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:13 am I didn't watch the clip from his show, but just saw some headlines and Tweets about it. I was suspicious about the idea that Trump's tax returns would indicate who cosigned his loans. That doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would be in a personal tax return. But then, I'm not a pretend billionaire, so what do I know.
Could it be that the loan documents are supplemental and therefore included? I could imagine for wealthier folks, they have to provide more documentation.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:17 pm
by Johnnie
Johnnie wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:09 am Like, I'll get kicked out of the military if I was publicly critical of the president to the degree I am on here and in private discussions with friends. (I mean, this is still a public forum, but there's some anonymity here.)
Or even if I publicly support a candidate in uniform!

Army National Guard major under scrutiny after telling Biden she's praying he wins the 2020 presidential election

Majors are so dumb. Willing to risk it all for Joe Biden?

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:17 am
by DaveInSeattle
First question: Why is Ivanka representing anything anywhere...



Second question: Who the hell is dressing her in the morning?

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:21 am
by brian
I don't know if you want the real reason or not, but Trump is grooming her to run as his puppet leader in 2024.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:31 pm
by The Sybian
Shirley wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:13 am I didn't watch the clip from his show, but just saw some headlines and Tweets about it. I was suspicious about the idea that Trump's tax returns would indicate who cosigned his loans. That doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would be in a personal tax return. But then, I'm not a pretend billionaire, so what do I know.
Didn't Deutsche Bank turn over documents under Congressional subpoena a few weeks ago?

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:32 pm
by Baloney

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:44 pm
by Ryan
I admit to the embarrassing light of privilege this shines on me, but this is the kind of shit I'll remember most

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:50 pm
by brian
Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:44 pm I admit to the embarrassing light of privilege this shines on me, but this is the kind of shit I'll remember most
If we and the Union live through this, the movies and TV shows and documentaries about this era 20 years from now are going to be absolutely awesome. An absolutely comedy masterpiece in the making.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:10 pm
by Giff
brian wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:50 pm
Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:44 pm I admit to the embarrassing light of privilege this shines on me, but this is the kind of shit I'll remember most
If we and the Union live through this, the movies and TV shows and documentaries about this era 20 years from now are going to be absolutely awesome. An absolutely comedy masterpiece in the making.
And my daughters will be like "this show is like, way too unbelievable".

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:19 pm
by Baloney
18 U.S. Code § 2074

"Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both."

Lock him up.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:20 pm
by brian
Baloney wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:19 pm 18 U.S. Code § 2074

"Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both."

Lock him up.
This could be what sinks him.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:36 pm
by The Sybian
On a similar note, how many times can he publicly claim he has never heard of a Category 5 hurricane?


Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:45 pm
by Baloney
Someone should troll him and say there is such a thing as a Category 6 storm, see if he repeats it.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:55 pm
by Pruitt
brian wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:50 pm
Ryan wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:44 pm I admit to the embarrassing light of privilege this shines on me, but this is the kind of shit I'll remember most
If we and the Union live through this, the movies and TV shows and documentaries about this era 20 years from now are going to be absolutely awesome. An absolutely comedy masterpiece in the making.
Let's pray that you are right, and that this isn;t the new normal.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:58 pm
by Giff
I mean what the actual fuck. Never mind ascending to the presidency, how is anyone that petty at all? I've never ever met someone like that and I've met some petty assholes in my day.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:00 pm
by brian
Giff wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:58 pm I mean what the actual fuck. Never mind ascending to the presidency, how is anyone that petty at all? I've never ever met someone like that and I've met some petty assholes in my day.
Parental withholding of affection is a hell of a drug.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:16 pm
by brian

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:12 pm
by Shirley
I gotta say, while it was weird of Trump to draw on the hurricane map, it was also unnecessary to make a big deal out of him saying Alabama. If that projection he drew on had held for another day, Alabama would have been in the predicted affected area. He wasn't wrong about that. Now, maybe he said it after the path had changed (I don't know), but in the range of Trump gaffes, this doesn't rate at all.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:32 pm
by EnochRoot
Shirley wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:12 pm I gotta say, while it was weird of Trump to draw on the hurricane map, it was also unnecessary to make a big deal out of him saying Alabama. If that projection he drew on had held for another day, Alabama would have been in the predicted affected area. He wasn't wrong about that. Now, maybe he said it after the path had changed (I don't know), but in the range of Trump gaffes, this doesn't rate at all.
You're thinking too much.

Trump was caught making shit up again. That's it. And that's why it should rate. He's got a massive Narcissistic Personality Disorder that prevents himself from stopping.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:46 am
by Giff
Shirley wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:12 pm I gotta say, while it was weird of Trump to draw on the hurricane map, it was also unnecessary to make a big deal out of him saying Alabama. If that projection he drew on had held for another day, Alabama would have been in the predicted affected area. He wasn't wrong about that. Now, maybe he said it after the path had changed (I don't know), but in the range of Trump gaffes, this doesn't rate at all.
He said it four days after the projection he was showing yesterday and his comments caused TNWS to immediately release a statement saying Alabama was not in danger. A normal human being would've ignored it and moved on. Maybe said "oops". But this petty mutherfucker can't let it go while a neighboring country has been destroyed and many states are still in danger. Fuck him.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:57 am
by rass
It wasn't a "big deal" that he made a mistake, but it was newsworthy to mention it in the context of the NWS being forced to issue an immediate correction. It became a "big deal" when he attacked the press for reporting on it and then doubled/tripled/quadrupled down on not admitting he made a mistake.

And really, that's the "big deal" here. The absolute pettiness. I saw someone tweet yesterday that he isn't the first president to lie from the Oval Office, but what was significant was the cheapness, and the obviousness, of the lie.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:03 am
by mister d
[exhausted voice] Can you imagine if Obama, before a hurricane hit land during the prep phase, contradicted the national weather service to imply an area not in danger was in danger?[/exhausted voice]

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:11 am
by Giff
No, I couldn't imagine that because Obama wouldn't do something so stupid.

Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:50 am
by Pruitt
rass wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:57 am It wasn't a "big deal" that he made a mistake, but it was newsworthy to mention it in the context of the NWS being forced to issue an immediate correction. It became a "big deal" when he attacked the press for reporting on it and then doubled/tripled/quadrupled down on not admitting he made a mistake.

And really, that's the "big deal" here. The absolute pettiness. I saw someone tweet yesterday that he isn't the first president to lie from the Oval Office, but what was significant was the cheapness, and the obviousness, of the lie.
Seriously.

If it was the President of Turkmenistan or Fiji or wherever, that clip would have been aired on "The Daily Show" and people would have laughed over the two-bit cheesiness of it.