2019 NFL Offseason Thread

[brian]

Hate that I know what bar OJ is at in that pic.

[Johnnie]

[Rush2112]

[mister d]

[Sabo]

LOL

[Gunpowder]

Luck seems smart enough, and curious enough about areas outside football for this decision to make sense.



... But this never would’ve happened if Luck just joined up with Alex Guerrero and gave up tomatoes and table salt.

Obviously these still would have happened but...I'm not eating tomatoes anymore either and it's actually helped a lot (everything in conjunction, not just the tomatoes).

[Johnnie]

That's excellent.

[A_B]

Obviously these still would have happened but...I'm not eating tomatoes anymore either and it's actually helped a lot (everything in conjunction, not just the tomatoes).

Conversely, all the people I know who grow tomatoes are having a bumper crop so I am eating the Shizz out out some homegrown tomatoes.

[sancarlos]

Yeah, I'm not a big tomato eater, but my wife has a bumper crop in her garden. She and my daughter eat home-grown tomatos every day. They seem very healthy.

[Sabo]

Eating a homegrown tomato with my lunch. Molto bene.

[brian]

I don't want to threadjack but is this tomato thing really a thing? I figured it was some dipshit Tom Brady thing like everyone eating with their eyes closed because that's what Tom Brady's nutritionist tells him to do, but tomatoes are supposedly unhealthy? I'm not buying that shit.

[Sabo]

I don't want to threadjack but is this tomato thing really a thing? I figured it was some dipshit Tom Brady thing like everyone eating with their eyes closed because that's what Tom Brady's nutritionist tells him to do, but tomatoes are supposedly unhealthy? I'm not buying that shit.

If I recall correctly, the anti-tomato argument is because tomatoes are part of the nightshade family of plants. Some nightshade plants are very poisonous and can kill. Edible nightshade plants include eggplant, bell peppers, some chili peppers, potatoes and blueberries. Interestingly enough, I've never heard eating any of those plants is harmful to your health.

[A_B]

It's all a scam propagated by Big McCandless.

[Joe K]

I don't want to threadjack but is this tomato thing really a thing? I figured it was some dipshit Tom Brady thing like everyone eating with their eyes closed because that's what Tom Brady's nutritionist tells him to do, but tomatoes are supposedly unhealthy? I'm not buying that shit.

If I recall correctly, the anti-tomato argument is because tomatoes are part of the nightshade family of plants. Some nightshade plants are very poisonous and can kill. Edible nightshade plants include eggplant, bell peppers, some chili peppers, potatoes and blueberries. Interestingly enough, I've never heard eating any of those plants is harmful to your health.

I ate every single one of those foods this past weekend. Surprised I’m still alive.

Every time an athlete attributes unusual longevity or a spike in performance to a change in diet, I automatically suspect that they’re just doping and using the diet as a cover story.

[brian]

If he's willing to deflate footballs for a perceived advantage I'm sure there's about a 1 percent chance Brady isn't doping. But that's an interesting point. I also just figured he was trying to sell his magic water to credulous dopes, but that's another ancillary benefit.

[Johnnie]

I'm fully expecting a Brady doping scandal when all is said and done.

I've been around so many people who take nutrition extremely seriously for themselves and never has there been a wonder diet that made everything perfect.

There have been gimmicks, sure (MCT oil/butter coffee anyone?) but it always comes down to eating proportionally (calories/macros) and cutting excess/processed foods (HFCS most importantly).

The special pajamas and avocado ice cream every once in a while (along with the stated water and nightshade stuff) was meant to sell a book.

[mister d]

The most overlooked part of everything Brady is just how creepy he is. Jeter was cold and clearly full of shit, but he wasn't creepy. Brady is creepy as fuck to watch try to interact at all without a helmet on.

[Gunpowder]

I don't want to threadjack but is this tomato thing really a thing? I figured it was some dipshit Tom Brady thing like everyone eating with their eyes closed because that's what Tom Brady's nutritionist tells him to do, but tomatoes are supposedly unhealthy? I'm not buying that shit.

Well one school of thought is (almost) anything with seeds, particularly when not in season. I mean it could be complete BS, but I'm inclined to believe that something is up when we are more health-focused than ever before, yet everyone is fat as shit and has diabetes.

[Gunpowder]

I don't want to threadjack but is this tomato thing really a thing? I figured it was some dipshit Tom Brady thing like everyone eating with their eyes closed because that's what Tom Brady's nutritionist tells him to do, but tomatoes are supposedly unhealthy? I'm not buying that shit.

If I recall correctly, the anti-tomato argument is because tomatoes are part of the nightshade family of plants. Some nightshade plants are very poisonous and can kill. Edible nightshade plants include eggplant, bell peppers, some chili peppers, potatoes and blueberries. Interestingly enough, I've never heard eating any of those plants is harmful to your health.

Yep. That's it and yes all of those things are supposed to be bad. It's not that they kill immediately, but supposedly they throw off our digestive and immune systems.

It could be a complete crock but I do know that whatever we have been saying for as long as I can remember ain't working and the FDA allows some insane shit to get onto the "heart healthy" and similar lists.

[mister d]

... we are more health-focused than ever before, yet everyone is fat as shit and has diabetes.

I think this just means people are more aware they eat like shit, not that they're eating healthier. The amount of chemicals and preservatives people ingest can't be decreasing, can it?

[Gunpowder]

I'm fully expecting a Brady doping scandal when all is said and done.

I've been around so many people who take nutrition extremely seriously for themselves and never has there been a wonder diet that made everything perfect.

There have been gimmicks, sure (MCT oil/butter coffee anyone?) but it always comes down to eating proportionally (calories/macros) and cutting excess/processed foods (HFCS most importantly).

The special pajamas and avocado ice cream every once in a while (along with the stated water and nightshade stuff) was meant to sell a book.

He ain't the only one selling that book. There are a few variations of it apparently but they all seem to suggest cutting out fruit. The most popular one is called Plant Paradox. It seems insanely restrictive but of course cutting out processed foods is part of any diet worth putting any stock into.

[Gunpowder]

... we are more health-focused than ever before, yet everyone is fat as shit and has diabetes.

I think this just means people are more aware they eat like shit, not that they're eating healthier. The amount of chemicals and preservatives people ingest can't be decreasing, can it?

No, it's almost certainly increasing. But we still knew jack shit about nutrition before like the '60s and '70s and yet many people that do eat "well" have myriad health problems. I think there's something to it, even if it's been wildly overstated. Avoiding fruit, wheat and all processed foods is probably what Brady is doing. It's fuckin' hard I'm sure so I'm not going to call it a "fad diet" like Johnnie suggested.

[Gunpowder]

I will not be surprised that if Todd Gurley gets through a season without his knee issues from last year (which have been speculated to be arthritic), that it comes out that he changed his diet.

[mister d]

"I've been eating nothing but Hungry Man brand microwavable dinners since the night after we lost the super bowl. Its made a world of difference."

[Johnnie]

Then maybe the fad is putting his own spin on the diet.

From what I gathered of it, he was weird about certain foods and didn't eat things that numerous other people do.

Otherwise lean protein, limited fruit, all the veggies -- especially green ones, lots of water, sleep, self control, and macro measuring is literally what CrossFit told me to do years ago.

So, whatever.

[Gunpowder]

Then maybe the fad is putting his own spin on the diet.

From what I gathered of it, he was weird about certain foods and didn't eat things that numerous other people do.

Otherwise lean protein, limited fruit, all the veggies -- especially green ones, lots of water, sleep, self control, and macro measuring is literally what CrossFit told me to do years ago.

So, whatever.

And Tom Brady is doing literally that but cutting out things with seeds (which are technically fruits) and sugar. And caffeine.

It's not crazy until you get to the concussion water.

[Gunpowder]

"I've been eating nothing but Hungry Man brand microwavable dinners since the night after we lost the super bowl. Its made a world of difference."

Well we have known for awhile that meat can affect the joints so I'd advise against that Todd.

[brian]

Think you can draw a pretty straight line from all of the guys who have retired early from Jim Brown to Barry Sanders to Robert Smith to Calvin Johnson to Andrew Luck in that they're all exceptionally smart and all had multiple interests away from the football field.

Compare that with someone like Brady or Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, all of whom hung on forever, all of whom are intelligent about football certainly, but all of whom have no apparent interests outside of the game.

[Johnnie]

[teeteebee]

Think you can draw a pretty straight line from all of the guys who have retired early from Jim Brown to Barry Sanders to Robert Smith to Calvin Johnson to Andrew Luck in that they're all exceptionally smart and all had multiple interests away from the football field.

Compare that with someone like Brady or Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, all of whom hung on forever, all of whom are intelligent about football certainly, but all of whom have no apparent interests outside of the game.

Robert Smith, though referenced in articles on this topic, isn't in the same league as the others. Sanders and Megatron dealt with a bullshit team and ownership their entire careers. They both were at the top of the game for a lot, if not all, their career. Robert Smith? Not so much. So the common denominator isn't interest off the field. If that's the case, Manning had more investments off the field than pretty much anyone before him.

Jim Brown is in a category all on his own and shouldn't even be in this conversation either. Anyone bringing him in to this discussion is doing him a huge disservice.

Luck has options and chose to walkaway to ensure he can live on for a longer time. Though his injuries he already endured may make his retirement less than comfortable despite all the luxuries his nine-figure career earnings will provide.

[HaulCitgo]

Jacoby Brissett time. Best shot at a 10 year career. Show something and he can ride it for backup contracts forever. My kids teammate left town for his dad to be the QB coach at Indy. Guy has to be sweating it now. Good luck brother.

[Gunpowder]

Calvin Johnson also had a ton of nagging injuries, similarly to Luck. Brady has been relatively healthy outside of one season. But he does also seem to live and die for football.

[Gunpowder]

Jacoby Brissett time. Best shot at a 10 year career. Show something and he can ride it for backup contracts forever. My kids teammate left town for his dad to be the QB coach at Indy. Guy has to be sweating it now. Good luck brother.

I really think that in that scheme he's gonna put up huge numbers. He won't be Luck obviously but in 2017 that team was almost universally considered the worst roster in the NFL without Luck, and while they went 4-12 or whatever they were remarkably competitive each week.


This is just some random guy but he's got a lot of info to back up calling Brissett the best deep ball QB in 2017:

https://brickwallblitz.com/2018/03/28/t ... l-project/

[EnochRoot]

Think you can draw a pretty straight line from all of the guys who have retired early from Jim Brown to Barry Sanders to Robert Smith to Calvin Johnson to Andrew Luck in that they're all exceptionally smart and all had multiple interests away from the football field.

Compare that with someone like Brady or Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, all of whom hung on forever, all of whom are intelligent about football certainly, but all of whom have no apparent interests outside of the game.

Robert Smith, though referenced in articles on this topic, isn't in the same league as the others. Sanders and Megatron dealt with a bullshit team and ownership their entire careers. They both were at the top of the game for a lot, if not all, their career. Robert Smith? Not so much. So the common denominator isn't interest off the field. If that's the case, Manning had more investments off the field than pretty much anyone before him.

Jim Brown is in a category all on his own and shouldn't even be in this conversation either. Anyone bringing him in to this discussion is doing him a huge disservice.

Luck has options and chose to walkaway to ensure he can live on for a longer time. Though his injuries he already endured may make his retirement less than comfortable despite all the luxuries his nine-figure career earnings will provide.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. And you’re wrong, by the way.

[teeteebee]

Think you can draw a pretty straight line from all of the guys who have retired early from Jim Brown to Barry Sanders to Robert Smith to Calvin Johnson to Andrew Luck in that they're all exceptionally smart and all had multiple interests away from the football field.

Compare that with someone like Brady or Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, all of whom hung on forever, all of whom are intelligent about football certainly, but all of whom have no apparent interests outside of the game.

Robert Smith, though referenced in articles on this topic, isn't in the same league as the others. Sanders and Megatron dealt with a bullshit team and ownership their entire careers. They both were at the top of the game for a lot, if not all, their career. Robert Smith? Not so much. So the common denominator isn't interest off the field. If that's the case, Manning had more investments off the field than pretty much anyone before him.

Jim Brown is in a category all on his own and shouldn't even be in this conversation either. Anyone bringing him in to this discussion is doing him a huge disservice.

Luck has options and chose to walkaway to ensure he can live on for a longer time. Though his injuries he already endured may make his retirement less than comfortable despite all the luxuries his nine-figure career earnings will provide.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. And you’re wrong, by the way.

I will put my aptitude and knowledge up against yours any day.

Also, wrong on what count?

[EnochRoot]

Robert Smith doesn’t belong in the conversation of NFL players who walked away from the game with plenty of gas left in the tank, because his team wasn’t as shitty? That’s laughable. And nobody’s confusing Smith with Barry Sanders or (gasp) Jim Brown. Still, he left the sport as a 28 year old after a season where he amassed 1869 yards from scrimmage.

Walking away from the game with a significant amount of gas left in the tank is the thread, and why is the thousand dollar question that keeps NFL executives up at night.

[teeteebee]

Robert Smith doesn’t belong in the conversation of NFL players who walked away from the game with plenty of gas left in the tank, because his team wasn’t as shitty? That’s laughable. And nobody’s confusing Smith with Barry Sanders or (gasp) Jim Brown. Still, he left the sport as a 28 year old after a season where he amassed 1869 yards from scrimmage.

Walking away from the game with a significant amount of gas left in the tank is the thread, and why is the thousand dollar question that keeps NFL executives up at night.

The thread is offseason 2019. The topic covers more than players retiring prematurely. One argument is a handful of players retired early because they had off field interests.

Could add Gale Sayers to this list as well and he’d be better situated than Robert Smith.

Luck is retiring due to injuries he sustained and the physical/mental tax he continued to pay.

Megatron had serious injuries as well. Both he and Sanders acknowledged a large contributing factor was their teams poor performance.

Luck didn’t have that issue. His team was fine.

Manning stuck around because he didn’t want to stop playing football. Not because he lacked off field interests. Brady continues to play because he can still do so at an elite level. His wife makes more money than he does and could have rode off into the sunset, with plenty of post career options, many years ago. Favre? Not sure, perhaps dick pics were a successful path for him, until they weren’t. And Wrangler commercials could be taped on off days.

End of the day, kudos to Luck for walking away while he still can.

[DSafetyGuy]

Jacoby Brissett time. Best shot at a 10 year career. Show something and he can ride it for backup contracts forever. My kids teammate left town for his dad to be the QB coach at Indy. Guy has to be sweating it now. Good luck brother.

I really think that in that scheme he's gonna put up huge numbers. He won't be Luck obviously but in 2017 that team was almost universally considered the worst roster in the NFL without Luck, and while they went 4-12 or whatever they were remarkably competitive each week.


This is just some random guy but he's got a lot of info to back up calling Brissett the best deep ball QB in 2017:

https://brickwallblitz.com/2018/03/28/t ... l-project/

Brissett was also shoved into the starting role about a week after arriving last time (traded there on Sept 2, started Sept 10). He's been around since and coach Frank Reich is viewed by many as one of the better offensive minds in the league.

[EnochRoot]

Robert Smith doesn’t belong in the conversation of NFL players who walked away from the game with plenty of gas left in the tank, because his team wasn’t as shitty? That’s laughable. And nobody’s confusing Smith with Barry Sanders or (gasp) Jim Brown. Still, he left the sport as a 28 year old after a season where he amassed 1869 yards from scrimmage.

Walking away from the game with a significant amount of gas left in the tank is the thread, and why is the thousand dollar question that keeps NFL executives up at night.

The thread is offseason 2019. The topic covers more than players retiring prematurely. One argument is a handful of players retired early because they had off field interests.

Could add Gale Sayers to this list as well and he’d be better situated than Robert Smith.

Luck is retiring due to injuries he sustained and the physical/mental tax he continued to pay.

Megatron had serious injuries as well. Both he and Sanders acknowledged a large contributing factor was their teams poor performance.

Luck didn’t have that issue. His team was fine.

Manning stuck around because he didn’t want to stop playing football. Not because he lacked off field interests. Brady continues to play because he can still do so at an elite level. His wife makes more money than he does and could have rode off into the sunset, with plenty of post career options, many years ago. Favre? Not sure, perhaps dick pics were a successful path for him, until they weren’t. And Wrangler commercials could be taped on off days.

End of the day, kudos to Luck for walking away while he still can.

Thread as in common denominator. Gale Sayers? Dude had to be told to stop playing football, and at any rate he was diagnosed with dementia like 5 years ago. Not sure where he fits into this at all.

[Pruitt]

I was just listening to Steve Tasker on Buffalo sports radio and he listed his injuries and mentioned that some of his best friends in football died young while others are suffering mental issues and physical difficulties.

He insists that given the choice, he'd have played every single football game he ever had the opportunity to play.

While it is easy for him to say as he luckily has his faculties intact at 57, it was interesting to hear. And he wasn;t sugar coating things either.