The Swamp

Haloti Ngata retires, which is worth mentioning on its own, but he did it from the top of Mount Kilimanjaro.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:50 pm Holy shit! That's amazing. Like Parks and Rec Chris Pratt vs Guardians of the Galaxy Chris Pratt

He was probably stronger in the first pic, but also happened to have a lot of body fat to absorb punishment. I heard something shortly after he retired about how the biggest change was eating about 1/4 of what he normally did. But yeah, he's swole up like a june tick.

Many OL and DL are tired of all of the food they have to eat to maintain weight by the end of their careers. I know while in-season some of them are consuming like 7,000 calories a day which seems insane. So cutting back to about 1,800 (which yeah, would be a pretty "normal" amount for a normal man) probably is a big adjustment but maybe not entirely unwelcome for some.

Yeah, it's common for OL to shrink by half after they retire.

So the local sports radio show had one of the guys say they have a source saying that Jay Gruden has not been consulted on any of the off season moves.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jay- ... ugh-media/

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:57 am So the local sports radio show had one of the guys say they have a source saying that Jay Gruden has not been consulted on any of the off season moves.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jay- ... ugh-media/

Sounds very on-brand for Washington.

Post-retirement Faneca always freaked me out. So scrawny.




Burfict released by the team "from the other end of Ohio."

and the dude rocks a mullet worthy of the Minnesota HS hockey tourney all hair team.

Gronkowski retires.

Always thought he was a little smarter than he let on.

rass wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:29 pm Always thought he was a little smarter than he let on.

Retiring would confirm that. Supposedly he didn't spend much of his salary cash either. Was kinda expecting it, but still sucks.

Malcom Mitchell retired too.

rass wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:29 pm Always thought he was a little smarter than he let on.

Smart move for his long-term health.

brian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:27 pm

rass wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:29 pm Always thought he was a little smarter than he let on.

Smart move for his long-term health.

Yup. He will get some kind of hosting gig for mtv or something. He’s the party crowds Tebow!

Expect to see him in the Andre the Giant Battleroyal at Wrestlemania this year. 200 Swamp Bucks on it.

I was hoping he would play just at the end of the season and playoffs like Junior Seau did. Actually, that's a bad example. Let's go with Roger Clemens's last few years with the Astros.

I'm amazed that he's turning 30 this year.

To think he got through this many seasons being injury prone is outstanding for him. Had he not been injured in SB46, maybe the Pats get another ring.

His highlight reel:

Also I don’t think Gronk is a Hall of Famer but he’s 100 times more worthy of the Hall than Edelman.

Thursday night season opener will be Packers at Bears for NFL's 100th anniversary.

Looking forward to all of the hot takes from Pats fans about #disrespekt

Back to back posts trying to agitate Rush. Keep trying!!

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:48 pm Back to back posts trying to agitate Rush. Keep trying!!

Does Rush think Edelman is a Hall of Famer? I don't think even he's that crazy.

ETA: I'm not gonna pretend that I've never posted anything here designed to elicit a reaction, but the only reaction to "Julian Edelman is not even close to a Hall of Famer" should be "yes, that is correct". And it was even complementary towards Gronk!

brian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:24 pm Also I don’t think Gronk is a Hall of Famer but he’s 100 times more worthy of the Hall than Edelman.

I'd put Gronkowski in on the first ballot.

Maybe that's a bit highly ranked, but he's one of the all time greats at the position.

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:32 pm

brian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:24 pm Also I don’t think Gronk is a Hall of Famer but he’s 100 times more worthy of the Hall than Edelman.

I'd put Gronkowski in on the first ballot.

Maybe that's a bit highly ranked, but he's one of the all time greats at the position.

Yeah I don't see how he isn't a lock.

Edelman should only be there for Brady's induction. He's a Pats hall of famer, not a hall of fame hall of famer.

Gronk is going in as soon as he hits the ballot.

I will agree Gronk is in.

I think it would be touch and go if he played for one of 28 other teams but I’m sure he’ll get in. I give him credit that his career ended early because of injury but that’s not a benefit most players get.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:30 pm I think it would be touch and go if he played for one of 28 other teams but I’m sure he’ll get in. I give him credit that his career ended early because of injury but that’s not a benefit most players get.

Most players aren't that good. LaDainian Tomlinson could have retired after year 6 or 7 and made it. Barry Sanders lasted one more year than Gronkowski. Kellen Winslow, Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers, Kenny Easley, Lynn Swann, Dick Butkus, etc etc had similar career lengths.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:01 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:30 pm I think it would be touch and go if he played for one of 28 other teams but I’m sure he’ll get in. I give him credit that his career ended early because of injury but that’s not a benefit most players get.

Most players aren't that good. LaDainian Tomlinson could have retired after year 6 or 7 and made it. Barry Sanders lasted one more year than Gronkowski. Kellen Winslow, Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers, Kenny Easley, Lynn Swann, Dick Butkus, etc etc had similar career lengths.

Another reason it was smart to retire early. Some guys try to hang on and those last few injury-plagued seasons ding them apparently.

It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:01 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:30 pm I think it would be touch and go if he played for one of 28 other teams but I’m sure he’ll get in. I give him credit that his career ended early because of injury but that’s not a benefit most players get.

Most players aren't that good. LaDainian Tomlinson could have retired after year 6 or 7 and made it. Barry Sanders lasted one more year than Gronkowski. Kellen Winslow, Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers, Kenny Easley, Lynn Swann, Dick Butkus, etc etc had similar career lengths.

My father used to tout Gale Sayers' greatness, but there must have been something extraordinary for a guy with less than 1,000 carries to be in the Hall of Fame.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

I can think of one.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:33 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

I can think of one.

That is not the only reason Herman Moore is not in the NFL Hall of Fame. He didn't have enough before fading away. That would be like arguing for Demaryious Thomas.

Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:49 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:01 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:30 pm I think it would be touch and go if he played for one of 28 other teams but I’m sure he’ll get in. I give him credit that his career ended early because of injury but that’s not a benefit most players get.

Most players aren't that good. LaDainian Tomlinson could have retired after year 6 or 7 and made it. Barry Sanders lasted one more year than Gronkowski. Kellen Winslow, Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers, Kenny Easley, Lynn Swann, Dick Butkus, etc etc had similar career lengths.

My father used to tout Gale Sayers' greatness, but there must have been something extraordinary for a guy with less than 1,000 carries to be in the Hall of Fame.

I actually think Calvin Johnson is a good comp for Gronk. Injuries sapped him of his brilliance but he's getting in regardless because he was easily the best in the league for a good amount of time.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:00 am

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:33 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

I can think of one.

That is not the only reason Herman Moore is not in the NFL Hall of Fame. He didn't have enough before fading away. That would be like arguing for Demaryious Thomas.

If he had retired after his age 29 season, his stats (including All-Pro selections) would have been almost identical to Gronk in an era with about 20 percent fewer passing yards (I think this largely equalizes the TE vs. WR comparison) He was the NFL single season receptions holder and had the most receptions over a three-year period in NFL history (at the time) and his yardage over that three-year period was the third or four highest in NFL history (at the time).

He just had the misfortune to play in Detroit and suffer some devastating injuries but tried to play through them.

I'm not comparing Gronk vs. Moore. Gronk was better especially relative to his position, but Moore was absolutely headed for the Hall of Fame before he got injured.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

Terrell Davis.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:32 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

Terrell Davis.

It's odd, Davis really only had 4 full seasons and 3 massive years (led the league in rushing once).

I would think that if he's in, than Herman Moore should also be in.

Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:10 am

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:32 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am It probably is but is it that much of an impact? I'm trying to think of a player who has had issues getting in for that reason.

Terrell Davis.

It's odd, Davis really only had 4 full seasons and 3 massive years (led the league in rushing once).

I would think that if he's in, than Herman Moore should also be in.

In a team sport it's an unfair thing to base HOF credentials on, but I think the fact that Davis was one of the two driving forces on two Super Bowl-winning teams gives him bonus credit that Moore might deserve but doesn't get from the voters.

Except the Rams wouldn't have been there had it been a rule in the first place, tho. Competition Committee be like "We need to trigger Pats fans like we're Brian from the Swamp."

He’s living rent free!

LOL, it worked! It's more of a troll on Saints fans though, IMO.