The Swamp

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:57 pm**

EdRomero wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:45 pm
brian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:37 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:35 pm If I got to pick who it was and it had to be realistic, I'd pick Kushner.
Whoever it is had the juice to get it kept under wraps longer than Kraft, which means it has to be someone who is more powerful than rich. (or both, obvs)

Syb: This particular place wasn't the only one busted. This was part of a huge South Florida sting operation.
Other theory I heard is the bigger name may have been one of the people running it and was not a customer, so his name wasn't on this list.

Makes sense if you think about it. Particularly if this was a multi-county operation. The last step would be to bust the johns, right?

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:01 pm**

The conspiracy subreddit broke this news last night.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:04 pm**

August is a very ethical month to be born.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:09 pm**

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:18 pm**

The good guys at the good website do it again.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:19 pm**

brian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:03 pm Jesus, the guy is a billionaire. Surely he can afford a higher class of hooker where discretion is part of the price.

Aren't there hotels and escorts in Florida?

(Asked rhetorically)

And as for Daniel Young who is 85... guy deserves a statue.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:27 pm**

Indeed. Misdemeanor be damned, twas worth it for Mr. Young.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:34 pm**

brian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:14 pm PFT: Kraft "not biggest name" in prostitution ring.

As with most PFT stuff take with a grain of salt and guessing the bigger name isn't the person we all hope it is, but still interested.

Schefter is reporting the same thing...I'm hoping he got it independently sourced.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:38 pm**

Such a rough looking place. To me, that's the craziest thing about this.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:40 pm**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:38 pm Such a rough looking place. To me, that's the craziest thing about this.

Part of the allure for guys like Kraft.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm**

GoodKarma wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:34 pm
brian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:14 pm PFT: Kraft "not biggest name" in prostitution ring.

As with most PFT stuff take with a grain of salt and guessing the bigger name isn't the person we all hope it is, but still interested.
Schefter is reporting the same thing...I'm hoping he got it independently sourced.

That entire PFT article is based off of Shefter's comments (tweets?).

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:29 pm**

Dion Lewis wrote:This is what happens when you go cheap!

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Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:02 pm**

As Brian posted...

This is what is so reprehensible.

Toronto licenses body rub parlours so there are inspections, taxes etc.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:47 pm**

How embarrassing to the NFL that someone out there is a “bigger name” than one of its owners.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:36 pm**

Rex wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:47 pm How embarrassing to the NFL that someone out there is a “bigger name” than one of its owners.

It's gotta be Tiger, right?

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:50 pm**

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:36 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:47 pm How embarrassing to the NFL that someone out there is a “bigger name” than one of its owners.
It's gotta be Tiger, right?

I hope not but he’s the odds on favorite.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:00 pm**

Oiler lives in Jupiter. Maybe it's him.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:00 pm**

Michael Jordan has a place near there.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:03 pm**

So my son comes home, checks his iPad, and fills me in on the ESPN alert he received. "Bob Kraft arrested for so-lice-ting a pro-stye-tut? What does that even mean?" Thanks Bob, that's a conversation I wanted to have with my son today.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:05 pm**

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:21 pm**

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:05 pm

Holy shit, that guest is a piece of work. I love that Tucker calls him "a professional dot connector who doesn't take things at face value." Fancy way of saying tinfoil wearing conspiracy theorist. I love how Tucker throws out "maybe Goodell wants to stop the Patriots from winning" and the tool goes off running with it, suddenly as if that's proven fact, saying, "but here is where Goodell screwed up..." as if he suddenly knows Goodell's machinations? And Tucker asks if Goodell's plot will work and stop the Pats from winning. Jesus Christ has Fox gone way over the nutty line. And Tucker calls it entrapment, because Goodell lured Kraft into a rub and tug.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:24 pm**

It doesn't seem like Baragona realizes who Carlson is interviewing by saying "his guest" and not Barstool Sports founder/Patriots propagandist Dave Portnoy.

That aside, like is Portnoy now some Fox News stooge all of a sudden? He's been on a bunch of times. As if he couldn't get anymore loathsome

The Ringer really, really needs to buy out Pardon My Take. Big Cat appeared on Ryen Rusillo's (recurring guest) podcast with Chris Long (recurring guest). He and PFT (who has appeared on Chapo Trap House) are libs. I wonder what a day to day culture is like at Barstool. Gotta be insufferable.

Edit:

Oh snap, Syb. You don't know that's Portnoy either. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:30 pm**

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:24 pm It doesn't seem like Baragona realizes who Carlson is interviewing by saying "his guest" and not Barstool Sports founder/Patriots propagandist Dave Portnoy.

Oh, I didn't realize, either. I thought it was a Fox analyst. Now it makes sense, and shows Tucker will invite any idiot on to ramble.

So I looked into this a bit (one article), and saw this is part of an 8 month sting operation into numerous locations. I figured the cops raided while Kraft happened to be there. If the girls are servicing 1,500 clients per girl, and they surveilled several locations fr 8 months, there had to be 1,000s of johns, so why were 25 singled out and charged? Were they charged with just soliciting, or are they part of the bigger trafficking ring? Was Kraft just charged because he is famous? I saw the police labelled Kraft "a regular client", so I don't think he was just some poor old man with a bad back unfortunate to walk into the wrong stripmall day spa. FFS, what billionaire goes to a stripmall in Jupiter, FL for a legitimate massage?

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:39 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:30 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:24 pm It doesn't seem like Baragona realizes who Carlson is interviewing by saying "his guest" and not Barstool Sports founder/Patriots propagandist Dave Portnoy.

Oh, I didn't realize, either. I thought it was a Fox analyst. Now it makes sense, and shows Tucker will invite any idiot on to ramble.

So I looked into this a bit (one article), and saw this is part of an 8 month sting operation into numerous locations. I figured the cops raided while Kraft happened to be there. If the girls are servicing 1,500 clients per girl, and they surveilled several locations fr 8 months, there had to be 1,000s of johns, so why were 25 singled out and charged? Were they charged with just soliciting, or are they part of the bigger trafficking ring? Was Kraft just charged because he is famous? I saw the police labelled Kraft "a regular client", so I don't think he was just some poor old man with a bad back unfortunate to walk into the wrong stripmall day spa. FFS, what billionaire goes to a stripmall in Jupiter, FL for a legitimate massage?

There should be more to the story, you would think. Also, is it normal to have an 8 month operation when there are sex slaves involved? If you have women is such horrible conditions,I'd think they'd want to wrap it up quicker to save the women involved.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:55 pm**

You guys really need to stop asking pertinent questions or else Chuck D-troit and Flavor Dav (thanks, Ryan) are going to fight the power of New England.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:21 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:30 pm FFS, what billionaire goes to a stripmall in Jupiter, FL for a legitimate massage?

FFS why would a Billionaire go into any strip mall for any reason?

I can say this - but that must be one fucking cheap Jew. What an idiot.

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:49 am**

Apologies guys. I took the same obvious Kraft/7th ring joke hours ago on fb but I swear I did it before I read this thread or I would have given appropriate hat tips

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:14 am**

The number of men rushing to Kraft’s defense is to be expected (A character shield can form around somebody charged with a crime), but the number of men rushing to defend the john in this scenario? I find it somewhat disturbing. Like human trafficking through massage parlors is some hopeless catch-22, because after all, men will be men and who doesn’t love a good tug on the ol’ power drill?

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:26 am**

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:14 am The number of men rushing to Kraft’s defense is to be expected (A character shield can form around somebody charged with a crime), but the number of men rushing to defend the john in this scenario? I find it somewhat disturbing. Like human trafficking through massage parlors is some hopeless catch-22, because after all, men will be men and who doesn’t love a good tug on the ol’ power drill?

Even putting aside my reflexive desire to mock the Patriots, I’m of the view that Kraft and the other johns deserve a lot of moral disdain if the allegations about the mistreatment of the women are even close to true. I agree with Brian’s point distinguishing between the use of pricy escorts, where there’s a much higher chance they’re making an economic choice of their own free will, and what appears to have gone on here.

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:40 am**

Joe K wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:26 am
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:14 am The number of men rushing to Kraft’s defense is to be expected (A character shield can form around somebody charged with a crime), but the number of men rushing to defend the john in this scenario? I find it somewhat disturbing. Like human trafficking through massage parlors is some hopeless catch-22, because after all, men will be men and who doesn’t love a good tug on the ol’ power drill?
Even putting aside my reflexive desire to mock the Patriots, I’m of the view that Kraft and the other johns deserve a lot of moral disdain if the allegations about the mistreatment of the women are even close to true. I agree with Brian’s point distinguishing between the use of pricy escorts, where there’s a much higher chance they’re making an economic choice of their own free will, and what appears to have gone on here.

The laws aren’t up to snuff to match that moral disdain.

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:34 pm**

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:14 pm**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:02 pm As Brian posted...

This is what is so reprehensible.

Toronto licenses body rub parlours so there are inspections, taxes etc.

"Yawn"

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:34 pm**

This shit is nuts. And hilarious.

Oh, and please spare your righteous sanctimony and don't conflate people defending sex crimes because they're Pats fans.

It can be both hilarious because when the ultra rich get caught committing a crime it's fun for the rest of us and absolutely harrowing and gross due to the sex trafficking simultaneously.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:37 pm**

Is she saying he visited on the 19th, got pulled over by the cops, and then went again the next day?

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:38 pm**

It is clearly the fault of Big Pharma.

If not for Viagra, this would never have happened.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:38 pm**

Rex wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:37 pm Is she saying he visited on the 19th, got pulled over by the cops, and then went again the next day?

Wait! What?

That is bananas.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:41 pm**

OK, reading the source material, the stop was a traffic stop so he would not have been told of the real reason. Still, shouldn’t he have asked himself why a white guy was getting pulled over?

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:51 pm**

He's an off his rocker 77 year old with unlimited entitlement. He probably didn't give a shit at all. He drove his Bentley to get toppie from a strip mall suck-n-fuck.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:53 pm**

And I find it hard to believe he didn’t tell the officer exactly that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:25 pm**

My assistant has a nose for that kind of shit. I'm oblivious but she comes in and asks who is surveiling. I could definitely see getting pulled and going right on with your idiocy. I think prison and courts teach you the appropriate amount of paranoia so if youre not from the streets you have no clue to look.

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