The Swamp

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:08 am**

Is this okay now? I was under the impression that it was but then judging from the reaction of the people on my tennis court the other night, maybe not?

Also, I realize that if I thought it was okay that I wouldn't need to hide it behind the protection of an asterisk but I think having curse words as hyperlinks increases the chances of a site being firewalled.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:09 am**

You'd better be on super good terms of out of earshot.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:12 am**

Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:08 am... but then judging from the reaction of the people on my tennis court the other night ...

Elaborate.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:17 am**

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:12 am
Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:08 am... but then judging from the reaction of the people on my tennis court the other night ...
Elaborate.

Silent indignation but then at dinner afterwards they told me they couldn't believe I yelled that. I asked why and they said it's gross and vulgar. Females of course. I asked if there were any terms for male genitalia they found offensive. They did not.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:18 am**

I think that's not enough elaboration.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:20 am**

Johnny Carwash wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:18 am I think that's not enough elaboration.

I called myself a cunt for letting a ball go by me that I thought was going out and ended up clipping the back of the line.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:20 am**

A gentleman doesn't use that word in a woman's presence. And it's not gentlemanly to use it to describe a woman, especially since there are dozens of as effective words. Hell, just use "asshole". It's gender-neutral, race-neutral, sexuality-neutral. It's an equal opportunity put-down.

Having said that, I use the word all the time to talk about males. I refer to Trump as a cunt probably daily.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:33 am**

If you have to ask...

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:45 am**

Definitely a really bad idea to use that word in any woman’s presence. And frankly I’m surprised how often it gets used on this Board considering that no one here ever uses racial or homophobic slurs.

As an aside, I remember talking several years ago to an English friend who had only recently moved to the States about that word. He noted that he had to be careful to avoid using it because it’s considered so much more offensive in the US than in Britain.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:46 am**

Today, many feminists argue that cunt must be revived. One reason is simply because it’s a better descriptor for female genitalia than “vagina.” The word vagina has Latin origins, and refers to a sword sheathe—the female sex organ, in this linguistic rendition, is simply a holster for the penis.

Technically speaking, vagina refers only to the “sexual passage of the female from the vulva to the uterus.” Cunt, however, describes the whole shebang, external and internal, including labia, vulva, pudendum, vagina, and clitoris. Thus, it accounts for and allows female sexual pleasure. To reclaim the power of their sex, women must take back the word that best describes their sex organ, feminists argue.

https://qz.com/1045607/the-most-offensi ... t-origins/

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:47 am**

I was told that for women it's as angering as any slur.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:49 am**

As a guy, saying c*nt is a prime example of punching downward.

Don't be the guy that punches downward.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:51 am**

After having lived abroad, America is just full of righteously indignant adults with delicate sensibilities.

That being said, as a dude who gets outwardly angry at the drop of a hat when I mess up and swears when doing so, people get really put off at sudden outbursts. It "looks bad" and is "unprofessional."

Would screaming "fuck" have been different? If so, then it seems silly they are hung up by a word. If it was the screaming itself, then it wouldn't have mattered what you screamed. Regardless, America has created a culture that that word is the ultimate swear in any context. Everywhere else it can be used as a term of endearment in the right context.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:54 am**

No, I scream fuck all the time. Nobody seems to care.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:56 am**

Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:45 am Definitely a really bad idea to use that word in any woman’s presence. And frankly I’m surprised how often it gets used on this Board considering that no one here ever uses racial or homophobic slurs.

As an aside, I remember talking several years ago to an English friend who had only recently moved to the States about that word. He noted that he had to be careful to avoid using it because it’s considered so much more offensive in the US than in Britain.

The second para is really interesting to me. I was watching a lot of Brit-based TV and the word just isn’t taboo like it is here. I had to be careful not to let it sneak into my lexicon.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:56 am**

If you're looking to justify an excuse for saying it, just don't. Just don't do that and don't say it. It's not that hard to pick a different expletive.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:56 am**

Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:54 am No, I scream fuck all the time. Nobody seems to care.

Are you, like, the local male rec version of Maria Sharapova?

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:57 am**

It's widely been used as a derogatory term, so of course people are going to be offended even if you're referring to yourself. Would you yell "faggot!"?

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:01 pm**

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:49 am As a guy, saying c*nt is a prime example of punching downward.

Don't be the guy that punches downward.

While I would say the word is completely off limits in public, I stand by my use of the word in the Swamp last week to describe DHS Secretary Kirsten Nielson. It's not punching down on a lying POS who defends separating children from their parents and keeping them in cages, then says when they made the decision to implement the policy, they didn't know that separating infants and toddlers from their parents could cause psychological issues. Who could have known? So yeah, there are some exceptions when the word is deserved, but in general, it's completely off limits.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:03 pm**

There could be some confusion, as in the UK (and I think Australia and Ireland), "cunt" is basically the same as "asshole."

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:04 pm**

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:56 am If you're looking to justify an excuse for saying it, just don't. Just don't do that and don't say it. It's not that hard to pick a different expletive.

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Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:16 pm**

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:56 am If you're looking to justify an excuse for saying it, just don't. Just don't do that and don't say it. It's not that hard to pick a different expletive.

I'm not looking for an excuse to say it. I was being self-deprecating and that's just the word that came out. Perhaps I've been watching too much stand-up comedy and it seems perfectly acceptable in that genre incidentally. I have no problem ditching a word that offends people. I haven't said the R-word in years because of that and holy shit did I love that word. It doesn't mean we can't have a conversation about why it might be offensive.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:17 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:01 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:49 am As a guy, saying c*nt is a prime example of punching downward.

Don't be the guy that punches downward.
While I would say the word is completely off limits in public, I stand by my use of the word in the Swamp last week to describe DHS Secretary Kirsten Nielson. It's not punching down on a lying POS who defends separating children from their parents and keeping them in cages, then says when they made the decision to implement the policy, they didn't know that separating infants and toddlers from their parents could cause psychological issues. Who could have known? So yeah, there are some exceptions when the word is deserved, but in general, it's completely off limits.

I dunno man. I get what you're saying, but I view that word, in a sense like an epithet. When you use it to describe an individual, you wind up slandering the whole gender/sex.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:19 pm**

Sure, just want to be clear where I stand, but having a discussion is fine as long as the discussion ends where we all agree not to say it because we're not in the UK and it's completely unacceptable here under any circumstance. But it is interesting how different English words have different impact in different countries, sure.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:22 pm**

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:19 pm Sure, just want to be clear where I stand, but having a discussion is fine as long as the discussion ends where we all agree not to say it because we're not in the UK and it's completely unacceptable here under any circumstance. But it is interesting how different English words have different impact in different countries, sure.

I was amazed back in the day when the word "Feck" was thrown around in "Father Ted."

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:37 pm**

An American male claiming he can use the C-bomb because American women are taking it back is like a white American claiming they should be able to use the N-bomb because rappers use it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:53 pm**

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:37 pm An American male claiming he can use the C-bomb because American women are taking it back is like a white American claiming they should be able to use the N-bomb because rappers use it.

Alright, so explaining to me that a guy using the C-bomb is the same as a white person using the N-bomb would actually be a useful argument if you were trying to make an argument and not just climbing on some moral high horse.

I actually think that not assuming that women are so delicate that they'd be offended by a word because they don't like the way it sounds is in fact a feminist position to take. If, however there's more to it than it sounds gross and it's directly linked to a history of oppression and subjugation as the N-word is, that's a completely rational reason to scrap it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:04 pm**

Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:53 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:37 pm An American male claiming he can use the C-bomb because American women are taking it back is like a white American claiming they should be able to use the N-bomb because rappers use it.
Alright, so explaining to me that a guy using the C-bomb is the same as a white person using the N-bomb would actually be a useful argument if you were trying to make an argument and not just climbing on some moral high horse.

I actually think that not assuming that women are so delicate that they'd be offended by a word because they don't like the way it sounds is in fact a feminist position to take. If, however there's more to it than it sounds gross and it's directly linked to a history of oppression and subjugation as the N-word is, that's a completely rational reason to scrap it.

Asked and answered.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:30 pm**

Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:53 pmAlright, so explaining to me that a guy using the C-bomb is the same as a white person using the N-bomb would actually be a useful argument if you were trying to make an argument and not just climbing on some moral high horse.

So you were sufficiently scolded by women to ask here and now you're pushing back against the answers here?

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:36 pm**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:03 pm There could be some confusion, as in the UK (and I think Australia and Ireland), "cunt" is basically the same as "asshole."

I can confirm that in Australia its used a bunch, with the same basic meaning as 'asshole' or 'dick'.

It's also used as 'c*nty', which is the same as 'whiny' or 'bitchy'.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:44 pm**

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:17 pm
The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:01 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:49 am As a guy, saying c*nt is a prime example of punching downward.

Don't be the guy that punches downward.
While I would say the word is completely off limits in public, I stand by my use of the word in the Swamp last week to describe DHS Secretary Kirsten Nielson. It's not punching down on a lying POS who defends separating children from their parents and keeping them in cages, then says when they made the decision to implement the policy, they didn't know that separating infants and toddlers from their parents could cause psychological issues. Who could have known? So yeah, there are some exceptions when the word is deserved, but in general, it's completely off limits.
I dunno man. I get what you're saying, but I view that word, in a sense like an epithet. When you use it to describe an individual, you wind up slandering the whole gender/sex.

I viewed the word as similar to "bitch," but more vulgar. I don't think calling a woman a bitch is an affront to ALL women, and I felt the same way with the C-word, but if it offends people here, I'm done using it here. I would never use the word in public, and saw this place as a safe space I can say things I can't say in public without judgment. Actually, I still do, and with all sincerity, if it offends fellow Swampers, it's out.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:27 pm**

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:30 pm
Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:53 pmAlright, so explaining to me that a guy using the C-bomb is the same as a white person using the N-bomb would actually be a useful argument if you were trying to make an argument and not just climbing on some moral high horse.
So you were sufficiently scolded by women to ask here and now you're pushing back against the answers here?

It's not an answer. It's an assertion. Also, not the reason I was sufficiently scolded. Also, he doesn't even believe that because if he did, he never would have admitted to using the word himself. I'd think you'd be more perplexed by that. I mean, at least I can just claim naivety.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:32 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:44 pm I viewed the word as similar to "bitch," but more vulgar. I don't think calling a woman a bitch is an affront to ALL women, and I felt the same way with the C-word.

I can tell you that my wife has a visceral, extremely negative reaction when she hears that word, regardless of whether or not it's directed at her. And, she puts up with a lot of foul language from me otherwise, with no reaction.

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