Looking at those polling figures, why don't the LibDems just back Labour and make the race a toss-up? Are they just like Bloomberg Democrats who claim to be liberal but would rather see a right-wing racist (Johnson/Trump) in power than an actual leftist (Corbyn/Sanders)? Because I fail to see much of rationale for Johnson over Corbyn besides "I've got mine and don't want to pay taxes to help poor people."
Looking at those polling figures, why don't the LibDems just back Labour and make the race a toss-up? Are they just like Bloomberg Democrats who claim to be liberal but would rather see a right-wing racist (Johnson/Trump) in power than an actual leftist (Corbyn/Sanders)? Because I fail to see much of rationale for Johnson over Corbyn besides "I've got mine and don't want to pay taxes to help poor people."
I think that distaste for Corbyn is very, very deep for many. He's way more leftist than anything seen in a long, long time and in the past, he has never really established himself as an anti-Brexit stalwart. He's pretty much run the labour party into the ground as well, so his leadership is quite easily called into question.
Also, much of the recent Lib-Dem surge is from disaffected Labour supporters.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:23 am
by Pruitt
More on Corbyn - from The Guardian/Observer's Chief Political Commentator. Guardian is almost always pro-Labour:
Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:23 am
More on Corbyn - from The Guardian/Observer's Chief Political Commentator. Guardian is almost always pro-Labour:
Yet for all the words in that article, there’s not even one policy-based criticism of Corbyn or concrete argument for why voters should prefer Johnson. There was one passing reference to Corbyn’s “fantastical wishlist of promises,” with no explanation of what those promises are or why they are unattainable. Also, the fact that Corbyn faces far more criticism for other people’s antisemitism than Johnson does for *his own* extensive and well-documented history or racism and Islamophobia is about as cynical as it gets. Just based on his Iraq War opposition alone, I find Corbyn far more respect-worthy than many of his recent Labour predecessors.
Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:23 am
More on Corbyn - from The Guardian/Observer's Chief Political Commentator. Guardian is almost always pro-Labour:
Yet for all the words in that article, there’s not even one policy-based criticism of Corbyn or concrete argument for why voters should prefer Johnson. There was one passing reference to Corbyn’s “fantastical wishlist of promises,” with no explanation of what those promises are or why they are unattainable. Also, the fact that Corbyn faces far more criticism for other people’s antisemitism than Johnson does for *his own* extensive and well-documented history or racism and Islamophobia is about as cynical as it gets. Just based on his Iraq War opposition alone, I find Corbyn far more respect-worthy than many of his recent Labour predecessors.
I think you'll find that Johnson has been pilloried for his past racist comments quite thoroughly. But like Trump, a signifiant portion of Johnson's supporters don't really see those comments as being a negative thing.
It is truly a repulsive choice that the British are facing (as bad a choice as I have ever seen), and the only reason - if I were a Brit - that I'd vote Labour would be for strategic reasons. Clearly it won't be a Labour minority, so all of the fear mongering around Corbyn's policies are immaterial. But a lot of traditional Labour supporters have been put off by Corbyn and his associates' management style.
Corbyn is not anti-leave. But at least he is against leaving without a fully negotiated deal in place.
Boris finally took centre stage. He tugged his hair – as sure a sign he’s about to start lying as moving his lips – and looked towards the cameras. His eyes were bloodshot and he had the bewildered air of a man who couldn’t quite understand that his sense of entitlement had been challenged. He’d always imagined he’d only have to turn up to a few gigs, do his faux man-of-the-people act, and he’d get to be prime minister for another five years. Now the polls were suggesting he might have more of a fight on his hands. This wasn’t Boris’s natural order.
His speech was just a regurgitation of the same lies and the same bad gags he’s been telling for the past six weeks. And it’s getting progressively harder for him to get any laughs or any love. If he does remain prime minister it will only be because people want Corbyn even less. The country is in a race to the bottom and Boris is marginally ahead.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:31 pm
by brian
The UK is going to re-elect those Tory cunts and they’ll get what they deserve just like when we re-elect Trump.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:59 am
by Baloney
Be interesting to see what happens if middle England sweeps the Tories in and the SNP sweep Scotland, referendum #2
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:26 am
by Pruitt
If you get the BBC, I recommend watching the results when they are announced. They actually don;t release partial results in a riding. So you get every candidate on a stage as the returning officer reads the results alphabetically.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:03 pm
by Baloney
BBC has Tory win in Exit poll with a majority of 86, biggest Tory majority since Thatcher in 1987
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:06 pm
by brian
How in the hell the Labour Party is somehow even more incompetent than the Democrats is beyond me, but I guess our brains are all singed. Anyway, since the US is on fire as well gonna enjoy my 3,000 miles of distance as the UK economy circles down the drain post-Brexit.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:25 pm
by Baloney
About to get a United Ireland and Independent Scotland
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:32 pm
by Joe K
Seems to me like the takeaway from the big disparity In outcomes between the 2017 and 2019 elections is that the British people (at least in England) really do want Brexit to happen. Both May and Johnson are very flawed politicians but Johnson did far better — despite his overt bigotry and buffoonery. Probably because he was an avid Brexit supporter and May wasn’t.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:40 pm
by degenerasian
Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:26 am
If you get the BBC, I recommend watching the results when they are announced. They actually don;t release partial results in a riding. So you get every candidate on a stage as the returning officer reads the results alphabetically.
Most Brits dont travel. They are still very rural and entrenched in the towns.
Like in Alabama.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:51 pm
by brian
Most Brits that travel to Las Vegas are cunts. I don’t know if that proves or disproves your point.
(Honestly, not entirely different from people from most places that visit Vegas. Exceptions are mostly Mexicans, midwesterners and western Canadians.)
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm
by Ryan
I feel like every British person I know goes on holiday to France and the Azores and Italy and Barcelona and Croatia like it’s a Sunday drive to the beach.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:24 pm
by degenerasian
Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm
I feel like every British person I know goes on holiday to France and the Azores and Italy and Barcelona and Croatia like it’s a Sunday drive to the beach.
We only know affluent Brits. We don't know the guy in 8th division football town.
Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm
I feel like every British person I know goes on holiday to France and the Azores and Italy and Barcelona and Croatia like it’s a Sunday drive to the beach.
We only know affluent Brits. We don't know the guy in 8th division football town.
Crucial point.
And - as I've said repeatedly, in Jeremy Corbyn, Labor had a leader who was completely unsuited to the task. Remember, this snap election doesn;t happen unless Corbyn figured Labour could win.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:23 am
by Pruitt
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Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am
by Johnnie
Did Russia have anything to do with this? Or is this completely legit and the UK is full of idiots just like America?
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:16 am
by Giff
Brexhausted is more like it, amirite?
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:42 am
by Joe K
Interesting that the percentage of votes for the Tories (43.6%) was less than the combined percentage of votes for Labour and LibDems (43.8%). That to me foreshadows the million dollar question if Warren or Sanders gets the Democratic nomination: will Bloomberg use his billions to run a “centrist” third-party campaign and throw the election to Trump? He wouldn’t get as many votes as LibDems did in the UK, but he could get enough to flip the outcome.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:50 am
by mister d
I think that's what would happen and I think the Dems will cater to that threat by running someone other than Warren/Sanders. And then they'll lose straight up.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:54 am
by Joe K
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:50 am
I think that's what would happen and I think the Dems will cater to that threat by running someone other than Warren/Sanders. And then they'll lose straight up.
A third-party spoiler run is clearly the implied threat in Bloomberg running and already buying a zillion dollars in ads, right? He has to be smart enough to know that his path to the Democratic nomination is completely blocked by Biden and Pete.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:19 pm
by degenerasian
Corbyn was deeply unpopular. Shows the danger of a party being taken over by a small number of motivated activists (in this case Momentum) who appeal to academics rather than the average voter. Overpromising. Labour rolled out a manifesto with a host of radical changes and promises that baffled voters. How did Labour plan to do all this stuff? Who even asked for things like free broadband? These are things the Democrats have to be aware of.
Johnson promised to moderately increase funding for police and healthcare, and honour the Brexit referendum. Turned out voters just wanted Brexit settled and not another year of wrangling and another referendum.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:00 pm
by Pruitt
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am
Did Russia have anything to do with this? Or is this completely legit and the UK is full of idiots just like America?
Yes and this election: yes. And a big "hell yes!"
Russian interference was rampant during the Brexit Referendum campaign, but even worse were the blatant lies used to sell Brexit. Too many to list here.
It was also a day for those watching PMQs to ask themselves what they had done to deserve a leader who is visibly falling apart week on week. There was never anything very clever about Boris: now there isn’t even anything funny.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:00 am
by Baloney
Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:11 pm
If it weren't for Trump, Johnson would be just about the worst thing I have ever seen in politics.
Steady on, I give you this tool who is a Minister
Re: Brexit
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:02 am
by Joe K
Re: Brexit
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:15 pm
by Baloney
Kudos to the teacher who did that
Re: Brexit
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:58 pm
by Johnnie
Unfortunately it's fake according to people in the comments.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm
by The Sybian
Baloney wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:15 pm
Kudos to the teacher who did that
Johnnie wrote:Unfortunately it's fake according to people in the comments.
Kudos to the guy who photoshopped that.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm
by Baloney
Government admits it's Brexit legislation breaks international law BUT only in "a very specific and limited way", forces head of the UK government’s legal department to resign.
This is the "great" agreement that Boris made and was passed by Parliament.
Why would anybody want to make a deal with this shower of shite?