The Swamp

Rams Fanny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:40 pm The Athletic and their commenters are killing the Canucks for the Miller-for-first deal.

mister d wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:18 pm I don’t think a protected 1st is bad value for J.T. Miller, just a dumb shit trade for Vancouver knowing it’ll push to 2021 unprotected and they’ll more likely than not still suck.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:23 pm Not a big haul for a name as big as Subban. Davies is a strong prospect, Santini is nothing. Devils will be fun to watch, especially if Hughes lives up to his billing.

And, Marleau gets traded to the Hurricanes, along with a first and a seventh, for only a sixth in return. Clearly, the Leafs desperately wanted to unload that last year of Patty's contract. I've always been a big fan of Marleau, but this speaks to the wisdom of Sharks' GM Doug Wilson. Two years ago he offered Marleau a two-year deal, and he went to Toronto because they offered a guaranteed third year. Now look where that got the Leafs. Marleau is revered in San Jose but you've got to rein in emotion, even with beloved veterans. I bet Detroit wishes that Ken Holland hadn't had to learn that lesson the hard way.

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:59 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:23 pm Not a big haul for a name as big as Subban. Davies is a strong prospect, Santini is nothing. Devils will be fun to watch, especially if Hughes lives up to his billing.

And, Marleau gets traded to the Hurricanes, along with a first and a seventh, for only a sixth in return. Clearly, the Leafs desperately wanted to unload that last year of Patty's contract. I've always been a big fan of Marleau, but this speaks to the wisdom of Sharks' GM Doug Wilson. Two years ago he offered Marleau a two-year deal, and he went to Toronto because they offered a guaranteed third year. Now look where that got the Leafs. Marleau is revered in San Jose but you've got to rein in emotion, even with beloved veterans. I bet Detroit wishes that Ken Holland hadn't had to learn that lesson the hard way.

It cannot be said with any degree of certainty that he ever learned it.

For the Red Wings, that window (timing your contracts so you can make significant moves when opportunity presents itself) appears to really start to open two years from now, when they'll finally be out from under the financial anchors former GM Ken Holland saddled them with on his way out the door. Next summer, they'll have nearly $13 million in financial commitments come off the books with deals expiring for Mike Green, Trevor Daley and Jonathan Ericsson. The following summer, they'll clear another $10-plus million once Darren Helm, Jonathan Bernier, Luke Glendening and Stephen Weiss' buyouts are up. In that time, they'll also have Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen's contracts finally come to an end as well, freeing up their long-term injured reserve slots and all of the inconveniences that come with filling them.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:40 pm If Marner does sign an offer sheet with comp of 4 1sts it is probably in Toronto’s interest to let him walk. They couldn’t trade him for 4 1sts.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:00 am Given the other GMGM chat, I do wonder how this roster will look in a few years. I know (western conference) flags fly forever and there's no way to really know what it did building a base, but they did still pass on some legit young talent in the draft and have already traded out some assets. If the peak is in the past, you wonder what a real build might have led to. Should make the analysis of Seattle's draft even more interesting.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:15 am[screenshot]

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:37 am No, I meant the part about sending out another top prospect. (Not that the Stone deal isn't justifiable in any circumstance.)

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:34 am Term is long, but $8MM per on Duchene feels a little low.