Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part IV - Welcome to Stupid Watergate

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Post by brian » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:46 pm

I think all kids raised by terrible parents deserve at least some sympathy. It doesn’t excuse any thing they do but I think that’s probably a reasonable base amount of humanity to lament the fact their father was/is a monster.
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Post by Giff » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:27 pm

brian wrote:
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I think all kids raised by terrible parents deserve at least some sympathy. It doesn’t excuse any thing they do but I think that’s probably a reasonable base amount of humanity to lament the fact their father was/is a monster.
How much sympathy to you have for Trump being raised by the person who raised him?
Muh.

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Post by brian » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:28 am

Giff wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:27 pm
brian wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:46 pm
I think all kids raised by terrible parents deserve at least some sympathy. It doesn’t excuse any thing they do but I think that’s probably a reasonable base amount of humanity to lament the fact their father was/is a monster.
How much sympathy to you have for Trump being raised by the person who raised him?
That’s a super fair question. All that shit rolls downhill.
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Post by Johnnie » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:49 am

Holy shit.

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Post by Nonlinear FC » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:22 am

Not to diminish that development, but not sure why it's a Holy Shit type of development.
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Post by EdRomero » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:38 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:22 am
Not to diminish that development, but not sure why it's a Holy Shit type of development.
It means there will be much more evidence to be ignored and then forgotten.

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Post by Nonlinear FC » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:02 am

I guess I just don't see much in the actual copy of the story that moves the needle. If it's the mountain of evidence, I totally agree with the sentiment that until they indict Rudy... Meh, so what.
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Post by sancarlos » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:08 pm

Well, I think this is a big deal. I really think Trump views Russia as more of an (his) ally than the NATO members.

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Post by A_B » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:53 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:22 am
Not to diminish that development, but not sure why it's a Holy Shit type of development.
In my very uninformed opinion, I would guess that to keep being linked to these people is a bad thing. People on the up and up who aren't covering their own asses worried about the almost 100% likelihood that they are going to get double-crossed don't record and document everything.

Nunes is getting implicated more in this as well.
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Post by Pruitt » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:17 pm

Banal thought - I know that we have spent 3+ years shaking our heads and marvelling that "This is unbelievable," but earlier today when reading about Trump bitching about Macron because he said something negative about NATO, I just took a step back and had a mild freak out.

God willing, this isn;t the new normal - please let this POS be an anomaly.
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Post by DaveInSeattle » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:21 pm

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Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:17 pm
Banal thought - I know that we have spent 3+ years shaking our heads and marvelling that "This is unbelievable," but earlier today when reading about Trump bitching about Macron because he said something negative about NATO, I just took a step back and had a mild freak out.

God willing, this isn;t the new normal - please let this POS be an anomaly.
Oh, you mean something like this:
TRUMP: I learn nothing from Adam Schiff. I think he's a maniac. I think Adam Schiff is a deranged human being. I think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. I think he's a very sick man and he lies. Adam Schiff made up my conversation with the President of Ukraine. One of the reasons people keep talking about it is that's what they saw.

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Post by Pruitt » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:30 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:21 pm
Pruitt wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:17 pm
Banal thought - I know that we have spent 3+ years shaking our heads and marvelling that "This is unbelievable," but earlier today when reading about Trump bitching about Macron because he said something negative about NATO, I just took a step back and had a mild freak out.

God willing, this isn;t the new normal - please let this POS be an anomaly.
Oh, you mean something like this:
TRUMP: I learn nothing from Adam Schiff. I think he's a maniac. I think Adam Schiff is a deranged human being. I think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. I think he's a very sick man and he lies. Adam Schiff made up my conversation with the President of Ukraine. One of the reasons people keep talking about it is that's what they saw.
Yes.

How many dozens and dozens of things have we seen and heard over the last three years that taken in isolation would make your head spin.

I don't know how you guys made it through Thanksgiving, or any time for that matter, when you have to deal with a Trump supporter.
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Post by brian » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:10 pm

When you realize almost every Trump statement is pure projection it’s pretty telling.
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Post by Johnnie » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:15 pm

brian wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:10 pm
When you realize almost every Trump statement is pure projection it’s pretty telling.
Yup, literally everything.

And it spreads to the Republican party too. Nunes is the guy literally embroiled in the cover up, but House Republicans wanted Adam Schiff to step down for being caught in a supposed conflict of interest.
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Post by The Sybian » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:00 pm

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I don't know how you guys made it through Thanksgiving, or any time for that matter, when you have to deal with a Trump supporter.
For my Thanksgiving table, it's had the opposite effect. My very Conservative FiL who used to watch FoxNews and tell me I'm "Left of Mao" now agrees with me in almost every political discussion. Fuck, he voted for Hillary and he hated her as much as anyone. My father likes to say George Bush turned him into a Democrat, and now Trump turned my FiL into a Dem.., well into someone slightly less unreasonable. I've also come to realize that while he used to watch Hannity and Laura Ingraham and get me riled up by spewing their nonsense, he finally admitted he watched them for the comedic value because they are nuts, and he liked to get a rise out of me. My Brother-in-Law who is pretty neutral gets fired up against Trump, and his parents who used to discuss politics politely are raging out against Trump. I think they watch a lot of MSNBC. It could be that he was a public University President and couldn't speak out publicly and in retirement is making up for lost time, but I think his shock and anger at Trump is more of a factor. There is no longer any dissenting opinions at all, just some added shades of nuance to the same beliefs. Kind of boring.
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Epic troll job here:

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Post by A_B » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:25 am

Did you ever want to hear Jim Jordan, but with a Georgia accent? Well, ranking Member Collins is for you!
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Post by tennbengal » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:58 am

LOL at the reaction on twitter to Karlan woodshedding Collins. Lawyers here will know, condescend to a law professor at your own risk...

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Post by mister d » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:58 am

"If you get elected, you can do whatever illegal stuff you want" as a defense really gets to the bare bones of this, huh?
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Post by tennbengal » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:02 am

mister d wrote:
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"If you get elected, you can do whatever illegal stuff you want" as a defense really gets to the bare bones of this, huh?
It is how he has run his life, so no reason why presidency should have been any different. The country hired a lawless person to the job, that he has acted lawlessly is super unsurprising. That the Republicans have signed off on that is also unsurprising.

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Post by A_B » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:10 am

Collins vs. Karlan was not fair. One got his JD from a currently suspended for profit law school and one has three degrees from Yale. I'm not trying to education-shame anyone, but I'll go out on a limb and say she's more qualified than any of his professors ever was.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:18 am

What the fuck is this Turley guy talking about? There's never been a more impeachable president than Trump.

Fucking ridiculous.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:18 am
What the fuck is this Turley guy talking about? There's never been a more impeachable president than Trump.

Fucking ridiculous.
We don't want to lower the bar so a Democratic President will get impeached the next time they extort a foreign government.

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Post by Nonlinear FC » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:49 am

Karlan bringing up emoluments has me optimistic they might (properly) add it to the impeachment articles.
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Post by Pruitt » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:09 pm

Not that any thinking person needs to be reminded of the crass dishonesty of the G.O.P., but this is from the Post:
Katyal accuses Republicans of misrepresenting his writing on Biden
Neal Katyal, a law professor at Georgetown University who was previously acting U.S. solicitor general, accused Republicans of misrepresenting an excerpt of his book during Wednesday’s hearing.

Paul Taylor, the Republican counsel, read aloud a passage about the Bidens from Katyal’s book, “Impeach: The Case Against Donald Trump.”

“Is what Hunter Biden did wrong?” the passage reads. “Absolutely. Hunter Biden had no real experience in the energy sector, which made him wholly unqualified to sit on the board of Burisma. The only logical reason the company could have had for appointing him was his ties to Vice President Biden. This kind of nepotism isn’t only wrong; it is a potential danger to our country, since it makes it easier for foreign powers to buy influence. … No politician, from either party, should allow a foreign power to conduct this kind of influence peddling with their family members.”

But Katyal noted on Twitter that where Republicans inserted an ellipsis, his book includes a paragraph in which he focuses on the actions of Trump’s children and son-in-law and states that Hunter Biden’s conduct was “not illegal.”

“Wow. I just watched Republicans lie about my book in the impeachment [hearing],” Katyal said in a tweet. “Compare what they said my book said w/what I actually said. They’re trying to distract from their cowardice re a lawless president who tried to cheat to win reelection. They omitted the yellow highlighted.”

“If a lawyer did this, they may face disciplinary action for such a misleading representation of what a source said,” he added.
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Post by L-Jam3 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 pm

You have to see what WOTUS is complaining about on Twitter.
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Post by Johnnie » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:06 am

Not, I'm not saying a joke about Barron is a good idea. But it's a play on the word, not an indictment of a child.

But expecting Republicans to understand nuance is like expecting a dog to understand quantum physics.
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Post by A_B » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:01 am

L-Jam3 wrote:
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You have to see what WOTUS is complaining about on Twitter.
OK, I give up. Who is WOTUS
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Post by L-Jam3 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:04 am

A_B wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:01 am
L-Jam3 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 pm
You have to see what WOTUS is complaining about on Twitter.
OK, I give up. Who is WOTUS
Whore Of The United States.

I probably should've put it as FWOTUS.
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Post by DaveInSeattle » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:15 am

L-Jam3 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 pm
You have to see what WOTUS is complaining about on Twitter.
The woman who wore a coat that said 'I don't really care, do you?' when going to visit detained kids who were sleeping in cages has the vapors over this.

That's all they got?

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Post by mister d » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:32 am

I wouldn't doubt its genuine because the core shared philosophy of conservatives is a complete and honrest lack of empathy for others.
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Post by Pruitt » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:35 am

I didn't think that the Fembot was capable of human emotions
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I didn't think that the Fembot was capable of human emotions
She's not.

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