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The origin of the 'Kurds didn't help us at Normandy' thing...
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Red tillerson is going to end up coming out of this looking good by comparison.
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It’s really frustrating to see Trump and the right wingers making political hay out of the China/NBA situation. They point out that guys like Steve Kerr and Pop speak up regularly on social issues but aren’t speaking up now. Frustrating to see. This shouldn’t be a right wing/left wing issue, but that’s what they’re trying to make it.
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That was from 2016. Besides money, I saw speculation that the Turks have Intel on the Saudi journalist murder that Trump doesn't want released.
Edit. Number 6 was the one I meant to highlight
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And that series of Tweets is exhibit a billionth as to why Dems lose these battles. FUCKING EDIT YOUR SHIT!!!
Each one of those should be 50 words, and they should be dumbed WAY down and they should have been the ONE THING they put out that day, maybe even 3 or 4 days.
That's , fundamentally, what they don't seem to get.
Each one of those should be 50 words, and they should be dumbed WAY down and they should have been the ONE THING they put out that day, maybe even 3 or 4 days.
That's , fundamentally, what they don't seem to get.
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The 2016 debates in a nutshell. Hillary with an extremely detailed policy and a "go to Hillary.com for a 700 page dissertation on my tax proposal!" while Trump said "I am the only one who can fix things," and spoke in empty platitudes.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:24 pm And that series of Tweets is exhibit a billionth as to why Dems lose these battles. FUCKING EDIT YOUR SHIT!!!
Each one of those should be 50 words, and they should be dumbed WAY down and they should have been the ONE THING they put out that day, maybe even 3 or 4 days.
That's , fundamentally, what they don't seem to get.
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She pretty much predicted this exact problem two years ago and the lesson of seeing this tweet now is that the Dems suck at messaging?
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Number 5 should have been the biggest story of this Presidency. Making $500 million paid from the mafioso kleptocrat President of Azerbaijan to build a tower in the middle of nowhere, with no streets leading up to it, and the money was a laundering scheme from the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard (labeled a terrorist organization, and a branch of the Iranian military).
I'm sure I linked an amazing Dutch documentary about this. Here is a piece from the New Yorker. Seriously, this should have been the biggest news story ever. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017 ... worst-deal
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Yes, because once again, all the facts and evidence in the world don't mean shit and snappy one-liners and empty platitudes fuel the brains of the masses. Mueller said his Report speaks for itself, yet 50% of America believes it exonerates Trump. Whatever inane shit Trump says is pure gospel.
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I think that's a media issue more than how Dems phrase things. Warren, Bernie, and now AOC are excellent communicators and give succinct messages, but it doesn't matter because CNN and the New York Times are terrible.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:57 pmYes, because once again, all the facts and evidence in the world don't mean shit and snappy one-liners and empty platitudes fuel the brains of the masses. Mueller said his Report speaks for itself, yet 50% of America believes it exonerates Trump. Whatever inane shit Trump says is pure gospel.
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Yeah, dude, pretty much. There's nothing terribly difficult about pointing out the ONE MILLION WAYS Trump and his family are dirty, in terms of just documenting the shit out of it. I could literally give you 2 DOZEN long form articles that go super deep on this
As we've been discussing for months (years), that shit doesn't fucking float. It's too complicated for the Taco King McDunkin fucking moronicracy to sift through. Long ass dissertations are scoffed at. It's not that hard to see, at this point.
EVERYONE that has half a brain predicted this shit.
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The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:55 pmNumber 5 should have been the biggest story of this Presidency. Making $500 million paid from the mafioso kleptocrat President of Azerbaijan to build a tower in the middle of nowhere, with no streets leading up to it, and the money was a laundering scheme from the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard (labeled a terrorist organization, and a branch of the Iranian military).
I'm sure I linked an amazing Dutch documentary about this. Here is a piece from the New Yorker. Seriously, this should have been the biggest news story ever. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017 ... worst-deal
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You're a good dude on the right side of this shit. But you are VASTLY misreading what's going on in most of the country in terms of how they receive/process "news" at this point.EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:03 pmI think that's a media issue more than how Dems phrase things. Warren, Bernie, and now AOC are excellent communicators and give succinct messages, but it doesn't matter because CNN and the New York Times are terrible.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:57 pmYes, because once again, all the facts and evidence in the world don't mean shit and snappy one-liners and empty platitudes fuel the brains of the masses. Mueller said his Report speaks for itself, yet 50% of America believes it exonerates Trump. Whatever inane shit Trump says is pure gospel.
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I'm just not seeing how fixing how a candidate tweets will fix how a country will receive/process news.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:18 pmYou're a good dude on the right side of this shit. But you are VASTLY misreading what's going on in most of the country in terms of how they receive/process "news" at this point.EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:03 pmI think that's a media issue more than how Dems phrase things. Warren, Bernie, and now AOC are excellent communicators and give succinct messages, but it doesn't matter because CNN and the New York Times are terrible.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:57 pmYes, because once again, all the facts and evidence in the world don't mean shit and snappy one-liners and empty platitudes fuel the brains of the masses. Mueller said his Report speaks for itself, yet 50% of America believes it exonerates Trump. Whatever inane shit Trump says is pure gospel.
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'EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:27 pmI'm just not seeing how fixing how a candidate tweets will fix how a country will receive/process news.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:18 pmYou're a good dude on the right side of this shit. But you are VASTLY misreading what's going on in most of the country in terms of how they receive/process "news" at this point.EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:03 pmI think that's a media issue more than how Dems phrase things. Warren, Bernie, and now AOC are excellent communicators and give succinct messages, but it doesn't matter because CNN and the New York Times are terrible.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:57 pmYes, because once again, all the facts and evidence in the world don't mean shit and snappy one-liners and empty platitudes fuel the brains of the masses. Mueller said his Report speaks for itself, yet 50% of America believes it exonerates Trump. Whatever inane shit Trump says is pure gospel.
We're talking past each other. My basic point is that to win PR battles, you dumb shit down. She was all about DC policy bullshit (that I literally lived in and helped promulgate for 20 years) that alienates millions of people for no good reason.
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I mean, yeah, fuck CNN six ways to next week for all the free advertising they gave Trump, and all the horse shit members of his cabal when they just barf propaganda to mouths-agape commentators...However, while NYT is a bit guilty of bothsidesing things and they tend to prefer milquetoast centrists..When Joe Six Pack has zero fucks to give about any type of long form journalism (much less the capacity to finish reading the piece), just what are they supposed to be doing differently?
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You guys don't see what's wrong with rolling out 5-6-7 point complicated negative stories in one single tweet-strorm.
I'm telling you as a PR professional (and person observing reality) that it's a FUCKING STUPID means of putting all that stuff into the world.
Honestly, Trump should've been taken down 2 years ago, but the assholes in "resistance" suck balls, so here we are.
I'm telling you as a PR professional (and person observing reality) that it's a FUCKING STUPID means of putting all that stuff into the world.
Honestly, Trump should've been taken down 2 years ago, but the assholes in "resistance" suck balls, so here we are.
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I don’t think the problem is that Trump supporters don’t know he’s corrupt. I think it’s that they don’t care he’s corrupt. As long as they like his views on immigration or abortion or white nationalism, they don’t care if he’s taking dirty money from Central Asian oligarchs.
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Yo, Joe!Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:39 pm I don’t think the problem is that Trump supporters don’t know he’s corrupt. I think it’s that they don’t care he’s corrupt. As long as they like his views on immigration or abortion or white nationalism, they don’t care if he’s taking dirty money from Central Asian oligarchs.
What is this in reference to?
Fuck Trump Supporters, man.
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I didn't mean to be dismissive of what you're saying; i'm just miserable about all of this. I also hate the idea of dumbing down even thought it works.
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Again, because you are a good person.
One of the things that bothers me most about all of this is that we're all on the same side, but we get sideways too quickly.
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So let's go to a former Republican strategists about all of those concerned congressmen.
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It was my reaction to the recent debate in this thread about whether the media and/or Democratic messaging is at fault for failing to effectively expose Trump’s corruption. Overall, I think the media (excluding Fox) does a decent job of being critical of him — certainly better than it was under Bush. And while some Democratic politicians suck at messaging I don’t think that more effective messaging would necessarily matter with the vast majority of Trump supporters.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:42 pmYo, Joe!Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:39 pm I don’t think the problem is that Trump supporters don’t know he’s corrupt. I think it’s that they don’t care he’s corrupt. As long as they like his views on immigration or abortion or white nationalism, they don’t care if he’s taking dirty money from Central Asian oligarchs.
What is this in reference to?
Fuck Trump Supporters, man.
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Giuliani's clients busted
Two Soviet-born businessmen at the center of President Trump’s Ukraine scandal were arrested on Wednesday and charged with breaking campaign finance laws by donating foreign money and exceeding legal limits in an attempt to purchase political influence.
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman have been taken into custody, Dawn Dearden, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York, told VICE News by phone on Thursday.
The charges relate to a series of donations that include $325,000 in May 2018 to a pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, which was funneled through a an LLC called Global Energy Producers. The two men were charged with conspiracy, making false statements to the Federal Election Commission and falsification of records, according to a copy of the indictment obtained by VICE News.
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As much as the Trumpers can try to spin this, this...this ain't good:
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I don't want to overstate it, but this could help the dam break as far as public opinion. This shows that the Republican Party as an entity knew it was accepting foreign money and there are ties with these guys to other states like Nevada where they gave money to the GOP gubernatorial candidate in 2018 (he lost).
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Post is reporting that they also donated to an unnamed GOP congressman.
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The Russia stuff in the Mueller Report I honestly give a lot of "regular" people somewhat of a pass for not getting how nefarious it was really was, but the truth was there was no "smoking gun" or anything that really could drill through the partisan noise machine from the GOP, but Russians funneling money to Trump and the GOP is gonna make a lot of sense to everyone. That said, I'm surprised the revelations of the NRA funneling money through Russia didn't really hit as hard as I thought they would. Gonna take a presidential candidate who can really keep driving home how twisted and un-American all of this really is.
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Not to be a dick, but how often do we have to see objectively bad/illegal/unethical/inhumane acts go unpunished before we stop saying "gosh, this objectively bad/illegal/unethical/inhumane has to be the one"?
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It's frustrating. What's really scary is that most of the federal law enforcement structure has been folded into protecting Trump, instead of investigating him like they should be. Imagine what could be dug up by the feds if they were really looking. Thank goodness for SDNY.
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I'm just getting to reading up on some of this. Holy shit. The entire Republican party is a criminal fucking conspiracy. Follow the money, man. Wow.
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The NRA laundered millions of dollars of Russian $ into GOP campaigns. This all happened under Moscow Mitch.
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Yes. That's why I kept pushing collusion with JoeK from the summer of 2016 events. It's Trump and McConnell and a good chunk of leadership. Straight treason. Explains why so many Repubs have retired. Likely some gnawing of conscience at that crew. Not enough to speak up, but enough to not run again.
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Jesus. This is all making too much sense.
I read like 3 articles a while back about NRA money being tainted and I just could not figure out why the media wouldn't drill down on it.
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And, btw, if Rudy Giuliani gets wrapped up in a RICO case, I may just lose feeling in my legs from the strength of the orgasm I'll have.
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Lol.
I read like 3 articles a while back about NRA money being tainted and I just could not figure out why the media wouldn't drill down on it.
Also, here's a cute photo!
And, btw, if Rudy Giuliani gets wrapped up in a RICO case, I may just lose feeling in my legs from the strength of the orgasm I'll have.
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Lol.
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My alma mater hosts a forum series each school year, usually made of news makers or authors. In case anyone is still worried about the ability of those caught up with and/or chewed up and spit out by Trump to survive in the aftermath of leaving his orbit, this year's offering will see former Senator Jeff Flake and General John Kelly come to campus. Based on the ticket prices, Kelly is making out better than Flake.
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Why does it look like Rudy is wearing a yarmulke?
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