The Swamp

tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:10 am Following on Twitter because I am driving around western PA today and...Sondland has flipped?

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:24 am And today's winner (so far) for the most moronic reaction on Twitter...



Of course...the day is just getting started!

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:10 pm I gotchu, fam.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:59 pm I love that Sondland paid $1 million to get an ambassador position, and it landed him in legal jeopardy of perjury, forcing him to admit his corruption on live Congressional hearings to impeach his King. Fucking beautiful. Begs the question for the thousandth time, why the fuck would anyone work for Trump? Guaranteed he will coerce you into committing crimes, and he ends up turning on everyone eventually. "All the best people" all turned out to be crooks, liars, Never Trumpers, "terrible people I never knew"... How do Trumpers not see that every appointee ends up being a horrible person per Trump. yet they don't see a problem with Trump's inability to hire or vet appointees?

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:01 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:10 pm I gotchu, fam.

Jesus fucking Christ. A hotel magnate with no political experience or business in diplomacy other than making a name for himself to further his own brand... yeah, Trump voters hate guys like that... Fucking idiot. I would love to read the replies to that Tweet.

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:12 pm I don't think Sondland has been very helpful to anyone once his statement was finished.

I'm getting closer to being convinced that unless the whistleblower comes out, this will end up amounting to nothing.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:48 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:12 pm I don't think Sondland has been very helpful to anyone once his statement was finished.

I'm getting closer to being convinced that unless the whistleblower comes out, this will end up amounting to nothing.

Patience, grasshopper.

America needs to hear — under oath — from Pompeo, Perry, Pence, and Bolton

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:59 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:48 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:12 pm I don't think Sondland has been very helpful to anyone once his statement was finished.

I'm getting closer to being convinced that unless the whistleblower comes out, this will end up amounting to nothing.

Patience, grasshopper.

America needs to hear — under oath — from Pompeo, Perry, Pence, and Bolton

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly with that. But it's definitely not been the slam dunk that people were expecting after his prepared statements. The argument can be made that the repeated pounding that the GOP gave about him never hearing directly from Trump is going to be a big talking point and it will be interesting to see if it's as loud as his "there was a quid pro quo."

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:12 pm The fact that he said there was a quid pro quo is going to be what dominates, because the reality is that everything else he is saying backs up the fact that he was operating under the clear direction of Pompeo, who was way more involved than previously known.

Sure, durr hurr is going to fall in line. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Trump was directing all this.

Just like it's ridiculous to claim Michael Cohen was off bribing playmates and porn stars on some rogue mission.

No one fucking buys that shit. Durr hurr crowd excepted, as always.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:45 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:12 pm The fact that he said there was a quid pro quo is going to be what dominates, because the reality is that everything else he is saying backs up the fact that he was operating under the clear direction of Pompeo, who was way more involved than previously known.

Sure, durr hurr is going to fall in line. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Trump was directing all this.

Just like it's ridiculous to claim Michael Cohen was off bribing playmates and porn stars on some rogue mission.

No one fucking buys that shit. Durr hurr crowd excepted, as always.

But, the GOP Senators will play to the Hurr Durr crowd, vote to acquit, and Trump will run on a platform of "I was acquitted by the Senate which proves this was all a witch hunt by the dirty Dems." I fear swing voters who don't fucking pay attention or understand any of this will be swayed by that, and vote Trump because they are sick of partisan politics.

I think it was Seth Meyers, but someone had a great analogy. Trump released transcripts of other calls with Zelensky where Trump didn't bribe/extort/offer quid pro quos as proof he is innocent; it's like if Clinton showed a picture of Monica Lewinsky not sucking his dick as proof that he didn't have inappropriate contact with her.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:13 pm Trump at the top of the ticket should be what the Dems want at this point I’d say. He’s a lead weight around the entire GOP.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:13 pm Trump at the top of the ticket should be what the Dems want at this point I’d say. He’s a lead weight around the entire GOP.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:21 pm I'm amazed that you've lived through all this and would prefer Trump in 2020 to "generic Republican dipshit".

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:58 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:21 pm I'm amazed that you've lived through all this and would prefer Trump in 2020 to "generic Republican dipshit".

Wait, you understand we're saying that "generic Republican dipshit" is way more electable than Trump right now, right?

Of course I'd take Romney in the White House over Trump, theoretically. We're talking about winning in 2020, not the best worse case scenario.

I think I'm missing something.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:20 pm This was fun: