The Swamp

I would start by punishing the fans.

Rex wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:10 am I would start by punishing the fans.

The asterisk next to their lone title takes care of that.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:09 amWhy’s that? They also engaged in fraud detrimental to the sport. It would seem setting an example for future bad actors would be a wise move...The team should forfeit draft picks [trombone sound], but perhaps suspending the position players from the 2017 roster for a significant amount of games and voiding their postseason shares would show that MLB isn’t just sorta serious about this stuff.*

Because the team set up the infrastructure, not the players. And because any by player enforcement would almost assuredly be incomplete or selective.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:16 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:09 amWhy’s that? They also engaged in fraud detrimental to the sport. It would seem setting an example for future bad actors would be a wise move...The team should forfeit draft picks [trombone sound], but perhaps suspending the position players from the 2017 roster for a significant amount of games and voiding their postseason shares would show that MLB isn’t just sorta serious about this stuff.*

Because the team set up the infrastructure, not the players. And because any by player enforcement would almost assuredly be incomplete or selective.

Yeah, short of catching George Springer counting the number of bangs on the garbage can on his hand I think it would be hard to pin things on the players. But of course, lying by omission is still lying.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:16 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:09 amWhy’s that? They also engaged in fraud detrimental to the sport. It would seem setting an example for future bad actors would be a wise move...The team should forfeit draft picks [trombone sound], but perhaps suspending the position players from the 2017 roster for a significant amount of games and voiding their postseason shares would show that MLB isn’t just sorta serious about this stuff.*

Because the team set up the infrastructure, not the players. And because any by player enforcement would almost assuredly be incomplete or selective.

So what? They had some players elect to use it and others who didn’t like it.

From the Athletic article:

One Astros source was adamant: The team should not become the poster child for sign stealing. Not when so much is going on with other clubs that MLB has not stopped, they said.

This is precisely why the players involved need to be suspended, and coaches or team officials involved be run from the sport: in order to set a precedent.

I agree that no players will get suspended. Maybe Hinch, But the consequences will likely be money and draft picks. The Astros will probably point to the 2018 ALCS and 2019 WS as evidence it stopped after 2017, even though the Sox and Nats were both doing some serious counterespionage efforts. (Strasburg starting to wiggle his hand after the first inning of Game 6 to mask his grip changes likely saved the series for the Nats.)

And how are you deciding which hitters used it?

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:15 am

Rex wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:10 am I would start by punishing the fans.

The asterisk next to their lone title takes care of that.

Uh Oh, Giff...

Probably would have taken him another seven seasons to get to 3,000 without the help.

The jomboy twitter account is all over this - you can see the audio w/ the video and hear the signaling.

Enjoyed this one as well.

For the record, I put that one in the off-season thread earlier today, because I am pretty sure this will be a relevant topic for awhile...

Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:38 am I agree that no players will get suspended. Maybe Hinch, But the consequences will likely be money and draft picks. The Astros will probably point to the 2018 ALCS and 2019 WS as evidence it stopped after 2017, even though the Sox and Nats were both doing some serious counterespionage efforts. (Strasburg starting to wiggle his hand after the first inning of Game 6 to mask his grip changes likely saved the series for the Nats.)

BUT WHAT IF THEIR OPPONENT....

I can't believe we lost to the fucking cheaters in 2018. Not surprised we still beat yet other cheaters in our two most recent runs to the World Series though.

BANG BANG BANG, indeed.

IF IT'S MY TEAM, EVERYONE IS DOING IT SO IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. BANG BANG BANG!

Alex Cora seems pretty fucked?

Who's going to get metaphorically BANGED from the Yankees???

Probably Beltran? He and Cora seem like the timeline links here.

I always did think this all started with the Yankees. Really banging my head that I didn't see that connection before now.

Its like that time when the Patriots got caught filming sideline calls then the Texans decided to do the same but also broadcast the playcall over the loudspeakers to their defense.

Trust me, watching your daughter cheer for a World Series team is amazing. I'm sure a Super Bowl would be just as great.

Thank god your daughter got to watch a World Series win! I'd be so fucking glad if my kids got to watch a World Series win!

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:41 pm Thank god your daughter got to watch a World Series win! I'd be so fucking glad if my kids got to watch a World Series win!

Rough century, Dave?

The Curse of Procreation.

Baseball.

So that escalated quickly in Houston.