The Captain Trips Anxiety thread

[Rush2112]

[mister d]

Maybe missing out on all the HS Senior stuff is worse, though. I don't know. I was ready to be done with HS, but I do have a lot of fond memories of all the graduation parties and the rite of passage summer following graduation.

Like the time the hot foreign exchange student got naked in your room and then you and your friends had a wild post-prom party at the asshole kid's lake house?

[Johnny Carwash]

Did they change it from "malcolmgladwellian"?

[DaveInSeattle]

Did people defend that?

Fuck yeah, they did!

Here's the Press Secratary:



Of course that damn media...printing direct quotes!

[tennbengal]

Re: college in the fall - I think the colleges have to go back - one way or another. They can take precautions - stagger classes - limit class sizes - mandate masks - etc - but I think they have to open. If they don’t - I fear a lot are going to go away, which has been a right wing wet dream for awhile. Really, college is for learning how to live in the world - that means this world too. So , go, mask up, and learn is my current take.

[mister d]

They're definitely contingency planning for the opposite, be it voluntary or because in Sept we're still in the same place we are today. If anything, I think a majority of colleges are going to skew on the far cautious side of everything.

[Pruitt]

Did people defend that?

Fuck yeah, they did!

Here's the Press Secratary:



Of course that damn media...printing direct quotes!

Goes without saying that those headlines will save more lives than the President's press conferences will.

[DaveInSeattle]

And now the good ol' "I meant to do that defense..."



originally created by Pee Wee Herman

[mister d]

The thing that will get lost here is that even if you pretend you believe him, the good framing of this is the president is trying out illness recovery/prevention jokes on a day where the death toll was >75% of 9-11.

[DaveInSeattle]

The thing that will get lost here is that even if you pretend you believe him, the good framing of this is the president is trying out illness recovery/prevention jokes on a day where the death toll was >75% of 9-11.

And to act like this somehow makes him look better...

[Nonlinear FC]

The thing that will get lost here is that even if you pretend you believe him, the good framing of this is the president is trying out illness recovery/prevention jokes on a day where the death toll was >75% of 9-11.

Somewhat related, but THIS is how you cover this fucking moron:

“The guy says he was pushed out of a job. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn’t,” the president said during his evening news conference at the White House. “I’d have to hear the other side. I don’t know who he is.”

Trump’s professed unfamiliarity with a top official tasked with developing a cure for a contagion that has killed at least 46,782 and infected 842,000 Americans is in and of itself remarkable. But it captures in miniature Trump’s strained relationship with scientific experts, who polls show voters rely on most for accurate information about the coronavirus.

kudos Wash Post!!

[DaveInSeattle]

It just never stops with this guy...

[sancarlos]

I don't see anything unique about one not wanting to waste a year of campus life by doing classes online. Online classes are great for those who need it, but there's no way I'd trade my college experiences so I could sit in front of a computer all day to get it done quicker.

Exactly....so much of college is the 'being out on your own/making new friends' thing. It goes way beyond just sitting in classes.

I had a good stress dream last night (the classic 'trying to get to the airport on time' one) after worrying last night about my daughter. She's been finishing up her semester in online classes, but I'm worried about what she's going to do with her time once that's done in two weeks. Its not like she can go find a job right now. And what about in the fall, if Gonzaga doesn't open back up?

Mine is going back to Boston no matter what I think. Is living off campus, so will just do online from there instead of here I guess.

Like AB’s daughter, mine is living off campus and will just do online from there instead of here.

[EdRomero]

It just never stops with this guy...

You could tell it was sarcasm because he used the orange face/font.

[The Sybian]

You could tell it was sarcasm because he used the orange face/font.

Crackerjack!

[TT2.0]

It just never stops with this guy...

You could tell it was sarcasm because he used the orange face/font.

extremely well played

[Johnnie]

This is a jarring fucking headline to read for me:

EMT John Mondello kills himself after less than three months on the job

[DSafetyGuy]

It's not life-and-death, or even directly related to the pandemic, but...

The son of one of my best friends was All-Ohio in his division as a kicker as a junior (he handles punts and kickoffs, too). He's a good kid with good grades (including some college classes this year, but he faceplanted the ACT this winter) and is actually a really good high school kicker. He went 11/13 on FGs this season (one of the misses was when the opposing coach iced him with two timeouts before halftime on a 52-yarder he left short) with a long of 53 and has an active streak of 69 consecutive XPs. He's had some very low-level interest from a handful of D-I schools, including an unofficial visit to tOSU this past season and their coach Ryan Day coming to his school (tOSU signed an offensive tackle from his high school) where his coach had him put on a display at practice.

Obviously, he's already behind the eight-ball in recruiting because he's "just" a kicker, but the pandemic has set everything on his ear (including setting aside any opportunities to re-take the ACT). My friend texted me earlier today to see if Syracuse was still going to have their camp this summer (they did a bunch of college camps last summer, but many are being canceled for late spring and summer already) and I asked him if they're still going to the elite kicking competition in Orlando at the end of June. Almost everyone who participates in the camp ends up going to college to playing football and a strong showing would help garner attention from colleges.

So, their plan is to still go to Florida for this event. And Florida is what it is, as far as the handling of the pandemic has gone.

I want it to go well for the kid and it would be nice for his parents, who have sunk a lot of time and money into this for over a decade (he's a kicker, so of course it goes back to youth soccer). But at the same time, there's big picture things with the pandemic and... bleh.

[wlu_lax6]

It's not life-and-death, or even directly related to the pandemic, but...

The son of one of my best friends was All-Ohio in his division as a kicker as a junior (he handles punts and kickoffs, too). He's a good kid with good grades (including some college classes this year, but he faceplanted the ACT this winter) and is actually a really good high school kicker. He went 11/13 on FGs this season (one of the misses was when the opposing coach iced him with two timeouts before halftime on a 52-yarder he left short) with a long of 53 and has an active streak of 69 consecutive XPs. He's had some very low-level interest from a handful of D-I schools, including an unofficial visit to tOSU this past season and their coach Ryan Day coming to his school (tOSU signed an offensive tackle from his high school) where his coach had him put on a display at practice.

Obviously, he's already behind the eight-ball in recruiting because he's "just" a kicker, but the pandemic has set everything on his ear (including setting aside any opportunities to re-take the ACT). My friend texted me earlier today to see if Syracuse was still going to have their camp this summer (they did a bunch of college camps last summer, but many are being canceled for late spring and summer already) and I asked him if they're still going to the elite kicking competition in Orlando at the end of June. Almost everyone who participates in the camp ends up going to college to playing football and a strong showing would help garner attention from colleges.

So, their plan is to still go to Florida for this event. And Florida is what it is, as far as the handling of the pandemic has gone.

I want it to go well for the kid and it would be nice for his parents, who have sunk a lot of time and money into this for over a decade (he's a kicker, so of course it goes back to youth soccer). But at the same time, there's big picture things with the pandemic and... bleh.

You say Just a Kicker, but tOSU carries 3 kickers, Georgia carries 5 (2 are also punters), Maryland has 2 or 3. And those are just the one on the roster. I have to believe some are practice, walk on, etc. Also how much of kicking is "in person". Have to believe the recruiting model for kickers is heavy on tape (read an article on long snappers basically being this goofy world where there a handful of camps/coaches and lots of video on empty fields).

[DSafetyGuy]

You say Just a Kicker, but tOSU carries 3 kickers, Georgia carries 5 (2 are also punters), Maryland has 2 or 3. And those are just the one on the roster. I have to believe some are practice, walk on, etc. Also how much of kicking is "in person". Have to believe the recruiting model for kickers is heavy on tape (read an article on long snappers basically being this goofy world where there a handful of camps/coaches and lots of video on empty fields).

Oh, I know the numbers angle. The big catch is getting the scholarship. And when most coaches would rather put their hand in a wood chipper than "waste" a scholarship on a kicker, it's even tougher. And considering most coaches who put a kicker on scholarship only do so after the kid is not only in the program, but has won the kicking spot, it's even harder.

Syracuse is one of the few schools that offers scholarships to specialists coming out of high school. Their punter who was drafted this weekend accepted a scholarship when in high school and they have another punter coming in on scholarship. Their kicker won a scholarship, but had to come to school as a preferred walk-on and win the job from a field of more than six guys, then perform on field to get the scholarship. He has two more years of eligibility left, so they're even less likely to look at offering someone in my friend's son's class due to the overlap (unless they feel that someone is so good, they're willing to have him redshirt for a year, which seems even more unlikely).

I've done what very little I can to help him get noticed (I've become friendly with the guy who runs a Syracuse recruiting site and gotten advice, emailed Syracuse staff about him, had someone who knows Notre Dame's defensive coordinator get me the email address to send him info about the kid, etc.).

But, kicker/punter recruiting seems actually to be about camps more than anything else, specifically Kohl's. And they are more about getting the kids' families to throw money at them to get noticed and getting themselves promoted. (When the Chicago Bears were going through all their kicker crap last offseason, they hired the guy who runs Kohl's in an advisory role. Eddy Piniero, who won the job, was one of Kohl's guys and there were a significant number of questions about if the analysis and grading they did was not only meaningful, but legitimate, including comments from other kickers who participated in the competition.)

The camp he's had this success at and is going to in June is Hammer Kicking Academy, which does have a reputation of getting guys into college, but is not Kohl's. My friend simply can't spend the money to keep sending him to Kohl's in the hopes of getting their blessing - a five-star rating. (I have admittedly learned may more about kicker camps and the politics that go with them than I ever imagined.)

The recruiting site guy has been very generous with his time and advice, but he's of the opinion that what this kid really should be hoping for is a preferred walk-on offer. And when that's almost the peak that can be reached in the regular world, any opportunity taken away to get that chance (they've already been working on their calendar for visiting college camps in the summer) cripples his opportunity to succeed.

[degenerasian]

Re: college in the fall - I think the colleges have to go back - one way or another. They can take precautions - stagger classes - limit class sizes - mandate masks - etc - but I think they have to open. If they don’t - I fear a lot are going to go away, which has been a right wing wet dream for awhile. Really, college is for learning how to live in the world - that means this world too. So , go, mask up, and learn is my current take.

I found this statement from the President of Purdue, former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels. They plan to open but what kind of college experience will it be? I'm sure all schools are struggling with this.

[DaveInSeattle]

Re: college in the fall - I think the colleges have to go back - one way or another. They can take precautions - stagger classes - limit class sizes - mandate masks - etc - but I think they have to open. If they don’t - I fear a lot are going to go away, which has been a right wing wet dream for awhile. Really, college is for learning how to live in the world - that means this world too. So , go, mask up, and learn is my current take.

I found this statement from the President of Purdue, former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels. They plan to open but what kind of college experience will it be? I'm sure all schools are struggling with this.

Ahh...I forgot that Mitch Daniels was the President of Purdue now. I was talking to my parents this weekend and they were talking about the President of Purdue and his plans to re-open in the fall, and I thought 'wait...that's nuts'. Now it makes more sense.

[degenerasian]

Re: college in the fall - I think the colleges have to go back - one way or another. They can take precautions - stagger classes - limit class sizes - mandate masks - etc - but I think they have to open. If they don’t - I fear a lot are going to go away, which has been a right wing wet dream for awhile. Really, college is for learning how to live in the world - that means this world too. So , go, mask up, and learn is my current take.

I found this statement from the President of Purdue, former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels. They plan to open but what kind of college experience will it be? I'm sure all schools are struggling with this.

Ahh...I forgot that Mitch Daniels was the President of Purdue now. I was talking to my parents this weekend and they were talking about the President of Purdue and his plans to re-open in the fall, and I thought 'wait...that's nuts'. Now it makes more sense.

but it was mentioned earlier in the thread, if schools don't open, they could lose 25% enrollment. Students will take that gap year.

[duff]

I didn't read anything in that statement that was out there or harmful. It was well written and thought out. And Mitch doesn't fit into the realm of Pence and other Indiana Republicans.

[The Sybian]

I didn't read anything in that statement that was out there or harmful. It was well written and thought out. And Mitch doesn't fit into the realm of Pence and other Indiana Republicans.

I think it actually raises an interesting experiment for the herd immunity theory. I know this is insane, unrealistic and impractical, but just spit balling here...

What if we took every child and adult under 30 with no health issues and kept them in a COVID contaminated environment, intentionally infecting all of them. A few would get sick and we could pull them out for treatment. After they test positive for the antibodies, we let them out in society as they are no longer vectors or carriers. We could speed up the curve of the virus without adding much to the drain on hospitals. We could open up the economy to those with immunity and let them work and go out and spend money. They could also get side hustles shopping for people afraid or unable to venture into public.

[A_B]

I didn't read anything in that statement that was out there or harmful. It was well written and thought out. And Mitch doesn't fit into the realm of Pence and other Indiana Republicans.

I think it actually raises an interesting experiment for the herd immunity theory. I know this is insane, unrealistic and impractical, but just spit balling here...

What if we took every child and adult under 30 with no health issues and kept them in a COVID contaminated environment, intentionally infecting all of them. A few would get sick and we could pull them out for treatment. After they test positive for the antibodies, we let them out in society as they are no longer vectors or carriers. We could speed up the curve of the virus without adding much to the drain on hospitals. We could open up the economy to those with immunity and let them work and go out and spend money. They could also get side hustles shopping for people afraid or unable to venture into public.

Did you get Citgo's newsletter or something?

[mister d]

I mean ... even knowing everything we know, would you even consider letting your kid get intentionally infected?

[Ryan]

No, and I don’t even like them

[DaveInSeattle]

I didn't read anything in that statement that was out there or harmful. It was well written and thought out. And Mitch doesn't fit into the realm of Pence and other Indiana Republicans.

I think saying 'Undergrads will get sick, but it will be mild' is a pretty big leap of faith. If one kid gets sicks...and dies...their parents are going to OWN Purdue University.

And what about everyone else on campus? The prof's..the grad students...the TA's...the janitors...the groundskeepers? What about them?

[Nonlinear FC]

No, and I don’t even like them

Quality is job 1.

[mister d]

And what about everyone else on campus? The prof's..the grad students...the TA's...the janitors...the groundskeepers? What about them?

Right. Every "open the schools" comment is based on kids being mostly immune to the worst of the virus, but ignores that your average teacher/worker would be at risk, let alone ones with pre-existing conditions. What are you going to do if you have six 3rd grade teachers and one has COPD or something?

[degenerasian]

I didn't read anything in that statement that was out there or harmful. It was well written and thought out. And Mitch doesn't fit into the realm of Pence and other Indiana Republicans.

I think saying 'Undergrads will get sick, but it will be mild' is a pretty big leap of faith. If one kid gets sicks...and dies...their parents are going to OWN Purdue University.

And what about everyone else on campus? The prof's..the grad students...the TA's...the janitors...the groundskeepers? What about them?

You would have to stagger students and classes and staff. Janitors are working in hospitals and grocery stores right now, the university would be pretty safe compared to those places.

[The Sybian]

I mean ... even knowing everything we know, would you even consider letting your kid get intentionally infected?

Fuck no, that's why I prefaced with saying my idea is insane, unrealistic and impractical. I'm just saying, as a thought exercise, would this work. Other than the younin's going bringing home virus on their clothes and shit, I think this might actually work. Of course you can't sequester all people under 30 in one location for 20 days or however long it would take for them all to get infected and immune, but if we could, would that work?

[degenerasian]

I mean ... even knowing everything we know, would you even consider letting your kid get intentionally infected?

Fuck no, that's why I prefaced with saying my idea is insane, unrealistic and impractical. I'm just saying, as a thought exercise, would this work. Other than the younin's going bringing home virus on their clothes and shit, I think this might actually work. Of course you can't sequester all people under 30 in one location for 20 days or however long it would take for them all to get infected and immune, but if we could, would that work?

It would not work because you would not know when a student got infected. Even if you sequestered them for 60 days, you don't know who got it and who didn't and when unless you're wasting millions of tests. You would have to have an end date, 60 days, 90 days or whatever, and on that day, conclude that everyone got it and open the doors. Infected kids could be released on that 90th day.

[Ryan]

Very few people in decision-making seats are going to making those decisions based on keeping every last constituent safe, unfortunately. Things will flip to personal choice faster than most of us would prefer. The teacher with respiratory problems may have to take the year off until there's a vaccine. The kids that are being raised by grandparents or by a mom with cancer may have to learn remotely longer than their friends.

Cities have been able to avoid providing the most basic of ADA services for disabled people for years because they've been grandfathered in on the basis of "it's too hard and costly to fix this over such a huge area". The peanut-free table in the school cafeteria is probably 3 feet from everyone else.
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So all the best of luck to you, the individual, as large-scale entities figure out what the fuck to do.

[BSF21]

I didn't read anything in that statement that was out there or harmful. It was well written and thought out. And Mitch doesn't fit into the realm of Pence and other Indiana Republicans.

I'd agree here. From what I read it was a frank summation of the difficulties they've been facing. Daniels was a competent governor here and I'd agree with Duff's assertion that he's cut from a far different cloth than what people have come to know Repubs as. I've actually been quite pleased with Holcomb's general demeanor through Indiana's response to this and he was generally attacked as Pence 2.0 during the election.

[duff]

Did any of you guys actually read it? It wasn't a be all end all, let them die if they get it. He even states that this may not even work. I get the idea that he was a Republican governor of the vice president's state, but there were some clear thought out summaries of what possibly could be done. Would I send my college age kids to college in the fall if shit hasn't gotten 1000% better, no. And fuck as hell would I let them go to Purdue.

[BSF21]

And fuck as hell would I let them go to Purdue.

OK, I was trying to back Duff up until he started with this shit.

[The Sybian]

I mean ... even knowing everything we know, would you even consider letting your kid get intentionally infected?

Fuck no, that's why I prefaced with saying my idea is insane, unrealistic and impractical. I'm just saying, as a thought exercise, would this work. Other than the younin's going bringing home virus on their clothes and shit, I think this might actually work. Of course you can't sequester all people under 30 in one location for 20 days or however long it would take for them all to get infected and immune, but if we could, would that work?

It would not work because you would not know when a student got infected. Even if you sequestered them for 60 days, you don't know who got it and who didn't and when unless you're wasting millions of tests. You would have to have an end date, 60 days, 90 days or whatever, and on that day, conclude that everyone got it and open the doors. Infected kids could be released on that 90th day.

I'll imply unlimited access to antibody testing to my scenario. People only get released when they test positive for antibodies.

[DSafetyGuy]

Coincidentally, my friend's son got his first offer today. D-II school (Tiffin University), but it's a start. One of his teammates who committed to play at tOSU next year told him his first offer was D-II, but that offer started things moving. Of course, he's a 6'8", 340-pound offensive tackle.