The Swamp

degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:51 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:48 pm I figure that if a person from a specific group claims that something is racist, it more than likely is.

I disagree. There is a lot of made up stuff. So dont think that automatically.

Maybe I come from a unique place, white people have gone above and beyond for me all my life.

Can you say with 100% certainty that you'll never be on the receiving end of racism? Because I pretty much can. That's privilege.

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:15 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:51 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:48 pm I figure that if a person from a specific group claims that something is racist, it more than likely is.

I disagree. There is a lot of made up stuff. So dont think that automatically.

Maybe I come from a unique place, white people have gone above and beyond for me all my life.

Can you say with 100% certainty that you'll never be on the receiving end of racism? Because I pretty much can. That's privilege.

I don't think so. If you were to compare my childhood/schooling to yours I dont believe it would be that different. Did I get bullied because I wasn't white? Maybe but that's no different then being bullied for being fat. In fact I got bullied more by Asians.

I was in clubs, bands, sports, after school stuff. Pretty normal I think.

What else... I've never been denied anything, schooling, housing, jobs etc... I wouldn't know if I didn't get a job because I was Asian anyways.

All I know is my family came to Canada (and some in the US) and all have been treated well. I am seeing it again with my wife being a newcomer.

Am I missing anything else?

Degen, can we white dudes just have this ONE thing?

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:26 pmAnd shit, if I put on my reflective vest, put a hard hat on and carry a clip board? I could seriously get into the Super Bowl in that get up.

Probably easier without the costume.

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:00 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:26 pmAnd shit, if I put on my reflective vest, put a hard hat on and carry a clip board? I could seriously get into the Super Bowl in that get up.

Probably easier without the costume.

Nah. You can't just walk up to a security guard and get in behind the gates. But if you look official?

Golden.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:14 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:00 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:26 pmAnd shit, if I put on my reflective vest, put a hard hat on and carry a clip board? I could seriously get into the Super Bowl in that get up.

Probably easier without the costume.

Nah. You can't just walk up to a security guard and get in behind the gates. But if you look official?

Golden.

The uniform doesn't help. Trust me.

I'm probably going with DSafe on this one.

Giff wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:49 pm I'm probably going with DSafe on this one.

He's been to more Super Bowls than all the rest of us combined I'd bet.

That article seriously read like the new Jordan Peele produced Travel Channel show Get Out...And See The World.

Despite my ethnicity on this board, my real life ethnicity is something else. And I too have met the chatty Kathy white people who are too friendly. But I engage because they aren't threatening and just want to make conversation. Internally I'm boiling because leave me alone Karen I just want to eat in peace, but sometimes people just want to say hi.

And if I'm in uniform and at lunch, oh boy. I'm suddenly having to go through an anemic mental Rolodex because "Hey, my cousin Steve joined the Army? Do you know him?"

But hey, I'm not writing WaPo articles or books about THE THEATER I'M SUDDENLY IN WHERE I'M NOW ON STAGE AND JESUS CAN'T YOU JUST LET A WHITE MAN EAT? It's always white people too.

Except that one time where it was Chicago Bears wide out Rashied Davis. He and Lance Briggs were training at the U of A that week. We talked about NFL things for an hour. The funniest part of that conversation was when I said I'm in logistics. To relate to what I did, I said "There's gotta be people that work for the Bears who arrange all your travel to and from." He said "Yea, there is. They don't make much though." I just stared at him like "I'm in the military. I don't make much now." And he was like "Oh shit! My bad! I'm sorry about that."

And that's when I learned Rashied Davis was racist and classist.

Also, the one time in my life I was racially profiled, it's a hilarious story in retrospect -- which is the hallmark of what privilege looks like. 1 story, 36 years.

Me, a white guy, was with 2 black dudes, a Latino dude, and a black chick going to this nightclub in San Antonio when I was retraining back in 2007. We showed up, club ready, and I hand my ID to the bouncer, large Latino dude. He said "No, you can't get in. Pants are too baggy." Everyone froze. My pants were not, in fact, too baggy. I was caught speechless for a moment, giving everyone I'm out with looks like "Did this mother fucker just say that?"

I say to the dude "What do you mean? That dude in the club has pants waaayyy baggier than mine." I pointed at a guy already in the club. He was not white. I get "OK, now you're really not getting in tonight with that attitude. Take care." And he hands me my ID.

So I turn around with a look on my face like I won the reverse lottery and head back to the car with everyone else. We get in the car and the chick goes "That was seriously fucked up. But on the real, that was the most hilarious shit I've ever seen in my life." We all just started laughing hysterically. Because yea. It was. I still laugh about it.

I was profiled by my high school football coach and was behind three guys at WR when I still believe I should have gotten a lot more time at wideout and proved it every time I did get a shot there. One reason I liked track was that the tape measure never profiled anyone.

That's pretty much as bad as it ever got for me. In my 20s I walked around Lauderdale with felony amounts of various substances in my pockets and never got searched once, so I guess it's a fair trade-off.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:13 amExcept that one time where it was Chicago Bears wide out Rashied Davis. He and Lance Briggs were training at the U of A that week. We talked about NFL things for an hour. The funniest part of that conversation was when I said I'm in logistics. To relate to what I did, I said "There's gotta be people that work for the Bears who arrange all your travel to and from." He said "Yea, there is. They don't make much though." I just stared at him like "I'm in the military. I don't make much now." And he was like "Oh shit! My bad! I'm sorry about that."

And that's when I learned Rashied Davis was racist and classist.

I wonder about the professional athlete bubble here. There is an anecdote in "Seven Seconds or Less", Jack McCallum's book about the D'Antoni Suns, involving Shawn Marion and one of the various support people on their staff (equipment, training, or the like). Marion was looking at some classic cars and the other guy was interested, so they started talking about them. The staffer really liked one of the cars and they went back and forth a couple times, including Marion asking (I'm paraphrasing), "why don't you just buy it?" He was stunned when the answer was "because the car costs around my annual salary."

He was completely unaware that people he worked with who didn't do exactly what he did made such a drastically smaller salary. Marion and other athletes like Rashied Davis spend most of their time around people who make seven figures annually and simply aren't aware that a lot of the people they come into contact on a daily basis make significantly less.

I mean... These guys pretty routinely come from backgrounds/homes where buying ANY car is a minor miracle.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I grew up without a lot of money and I've never forgotten what it's like to not be able to afford boots during MI winter.

/sad violin

Yeah, I could totally get a binary "has money vs does not have money" mindset where everything in the middle is bypassed and thus lost.

I'm a little late to the discussion, but found the article really interesting. I can't make a judgment, because maybe she is right, that the staff do treat her differently, assume a lack of knowledge because of her race, or try extra hard to be nice to the black person. I do see how this could all just be her perception. Like Mister D said, his wife gets treated as less knowledgeable about beer than he does, so maybe gender is more of a factor. Then again, Mister D wears the beard and uniform of a beer geek, and just flat out looks the part. When she said bartenders describe the flavor profiles of the beer rather than tell her the style, I've actually noticed this becoming more common. I've read articles from brew masters who hate defining beers by styles, because there can be a ton of variation within a style, and many beers don't fit the mold of specific styles. I could also see the way a customer is dressed being a factor. If she goes to a fancy restaurant dressed casually, they may assume she doesn't eat there often. As for the tapas restaurant in North Carolina, I'm sure a lot of people in NC have never eaten tapas before, and maybe the waitress is just enthusiastic to help customers understand the menu. OTOH, maybe they all made assumptions that the young black woman isn't cultured in foreign cuisine and drink. Which reminds me, the guy complimenting her bourbon, I think that's very common. I've had guys comment approving my whiskey choices if I order their preferred bourbon or scotch. I think that's very common among whiskey drinkers. People take pride in their preferred brands. Hell, I feel a kindred spirit when people mention they like Islay Scotches.

As a white guy used to live in the largest Indian community in the Northeast (and now works there), I get racially profiled all the time when I order spicy dishes in restaurants that cater to Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankans. The Sri Lankan place always follows up with, "are you sure you want spicy? American spicy or Sri Lankan spicy." While it is a bit condescending, I just can't be offended as a white guy, because 95% of American culture is geared for white people, and I am very aware of that. I've seen my black friends get eyed suspiciously and followed in stores. I've experienced attempting to plead guilty of a violation when I was in college, and the judge refusing to accept my plea and persuading me to fight the charge. [I don't know that race would have mattered, as it was a town court judge, and the few black people I grew up with were all middle class kids of engineers, doctors and college professors]. But back to the spicy food condescension, I appreciate their concern, because their mild is what most Americans view as spicy. And while I have eaten in their restaurant 10 times before, I'm not insulted, because they get very few white people as customers, and they are trying to be helpful.

I think the Sri Lankan part kind of gets to the heart of it. You are clearly not Sri Lankan eating at a Sri Lankan place, so an unaccustomed/newbie status might be assumed. She's a black woman in a nice restaurant ...

Yeah that goes for everything. When I buy a donair they always explain to me how to eat it so I dont make a mess. It doesnt help as I still lose the bottom of it.

But I bet you if no one helped her, she would write an article about how no one helped her. Blacks are ignored in high class places.

Business have to work in averages dealing with hundreds of customers a day. They can't stop and think about every individual person and who they are.

You noticed most of the article was about other customers, right?

I had to LOL a little at this one, only because I’m not black.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... dium=email

Ironic.

Symbolic Anti-Lynching Bill Passed In The South

The vote was 410-4

Four congressmen couldn't support an anti-lynching bill in 2020. 16 members didn't vote.

Read a very well reasoned Twitter thread from Justin Amash about why he voted no.

ETA - here it is. Not sure if any of his argument has major holes or not.

I understand voting against anything that is racketeering-ish

I think he’s pretty wrong on the state v. federal power issues at play here. Federal prosecutors may be unelected but they have a significantly better reputation for fairness than state prosecutors, particularly when it comes to racially-charged issues.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s3178/text

Is this saying that if someone is accused of assaulting or killing someone over race, sexuality, etc. and it is merely perceived to be due to this reason, and they also used email, the Feds can get balls-deep in it? I mean I can understand saying it's not a big deal but I can also understand thinking that it is and it is something we want to avoid.

I guess the issue with leaving it to the states is a lot of the states are Alabama and didn't give a shit, but that seems like a different problem that may require a different law that either way is quite big-government-ish. Of course the gov is already huge so whatevs.

And certainly in southern states. The argument that is most persuasive to me is that the act of lynching is already a crime.

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:35 am I think he’s pretty wrong on the state v. federal power issues at play here. Federal prosecutors may be unelected but they have a significantly better reputation for fairness than state prosecutors, particularly when it comes to racially-charged issues.

Yeah that's the only reason I see for it but it's a big one. Our problem now though is overzealous prosecution since every prison is privatized. The next law will fix that after the problem has changed to something else.

Gohmert (the only one of the 4 in Congress at the time) voted for an amendment to the Constitution Authorizing the Congress to Prohibit the Physical Desecration of the Flag of the United States.

Guarantee the other 3 would have done the same.

Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:38 am Gohmert (the only one of the 4 in Congress at the time) voted for an amendment to the Constitution Authorizing the Congress to Prohibit the Physical Desecration of the Flag of the United States.

Guarantee the other 3 would have done the same.

I'm gonna defend Amash and speculate he wouldn't have voted yes on that.

I'm so disappointed that Delroy Lindo clip is only a work of fiction.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:21 am NASCAR hasn't missed a beat.

Larson's mom is Japanesse American and his grandparents spent time in an internment camp. He is from a burb of Sacremento. Still a bit of farm town that was evolving to a Bay Area extended suburb..but not some full on redneck from a typical NASCAR hotbed.

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:20 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:21 am NASCAR hasn't missed a beat.

Larson's mom is Japanesse American and his grandparents spent time in an internment camp. He is from a burb of Sacremento. Still a bit of farm town that was evolving to a Bay Area extended suburb..but not some full on redneck from a typical NASCAR hotbed.

It's 100 miles from San Francisco, out in the agricultural central valley. And, even further, culturally. Nobody out here would say that is a Bay Area extended suburb.

Wherever he's from or his background, completely not cool to be dropping N-bombs on a public broadcast (or ever, obvs, but especially publicly).

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:07 pm Wherever he's from or his background, completely not cool to be dropping N-bombs on a public broadcast (or ever, obvs, but especially publicly).

Of course you're right. I was trying to point out that where he's from, it really isn't that different from being from rural Tennessee.

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sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:11 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:07 pm Wherever he's from or his background, completely not cool to be dropping N-bombs on a public broadcast (or ever, obvs, but especially publicly).

Of course you're right. I was trying to point out that where he's from, it really isn't that different from being from rural Tennessee.

I defer to the local knowledge but when I read the article I went down the wiki rabbit hole

In the following decades, Elk Grove remained a small farming community with little urban development. In the late 1980s, suburban development projects began to spring up around the community, specifically in the north near Sacramento. These were meant to serve Sacramento's population, as well as San Francisco commuters seeking a commuting community relatively near the San Francisco Bay Area where they could reside. Such changes triggered a period of rapid growth. On July 1, 2000, Elk Grove incorporated as a city. The growth peaked in 2004 and 2005, when Elk Grove was declared the fastest growing city in the US.

I’ve heard of people commuting 200 miles round trip but I’ve never met any.

While walking this morning, I noticed a handwritten sign taped to one of the front-facing windows of an under-development Mexican restaurant in my neighborhood. Thinking it might mention the status of the restaurant I got a closer look, and instead found a racist, uneducated, anti-Bernie and anti-Trump screed. I ripped it off the window, and while heading to the nearest trash can I noticed that there was more writing on the back. I flipped it over, and it looked like a series of notes about basketball and the differences between the pro and college rules. Then some scribbles about "naesmith", "canadian basketball", "rugby to football", and finally some more racism.

Pictures below. I'm almost positive that the "front" note and the sports notes are the same writing. Not sure about the "penises" note.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NzENoiBMq2L2M7aH8

rass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:19 am While walking this morning, I noticed a handwritten sign taped to one of the front-facing windows of an under-development Mexican restaurant in my neighborhood. Thinking it might mention the status of the restaurant I got a closer look, and instead found a racist, uneducated, anti-Bernie and anti-Trump screed. I ripped it off the window, and while heading to the nearest trash can I noticed that there was more writing on the back. I flipped it over, and it looked like a series of notes about basketball and the differences between the pro and college rules. Then some scribbles about "naesmith", "canadian basketball", "rugby to football", and finally some more racism.

Pictures below. I'm almost positive that the "front" note and the sports notes are the same writing. Not sure about the "penises" note.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NzENoiBMq2L2M7aH8

Your handwriting is shit.