The Swamp

Jeebus. What did he say in that interview?

He probably said that Federalist No. 67 compares and contrasts the powers of the President versus the British king in an effort to explain the Constitution’s limitations on the President’s powers, but that was actually Federalist No. 69.

And in news from Florida... (that normally scares the crap out of people)

Early voting stats show some interesting data.

Vote-by-mail ballots returned: 900,828(R), 1,428,664(D), 589,892(I), 34,975(O)
Vote-by-mail ballots outstanding: 926,699(R), 1,203,033(D), 726,000(I), 44,335(O)
Voted early: 321,007(R), 279,968(D), 720,968(I), 8,318(O)

I still can’t get my mind around knowing the registration of people who have voted.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:11 am And in news from Florida... (that normally scares the crap out of people)

Early voting stats show some interesting data.

Vote-by-mail ballots returned: 900,828(R), 1,428,664(D), 589,892(I), 34,975(O)
Vote-by-mail ballots outstanding: 926,699(R), 1,203,033(D), 726,000(I), 44,335(O)
Voted early: 321,007(R), 279,968(D), 720,968(I), 8,318(O)

I still can’t get my mind around knowing the registration of people who have voted.

This aren't results right? Just the indication of registered voters by party?

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:11 am And in news from Florida... (that normally scares the crap out of people)

Early voting stats show some interesting data.

Vote-by-mail ballots returned: 900,828(R), 1,428,664(D), 589,892(I), 34,975(O)
Vote-by-mail ballots outstanding: 926,699(R), 1,203,033(D), 726,000(I), 44,335(O)
Voted early: 321,007(R), 279,968(D), 720,968(I), 8,318(O)

I still can’t get my mind around knowing the registration of people who have voted.

The voting by mail thing scares the shit out of me. Refusing ballots because the signature doesn't match is real fucking easy. As I've likely posted before, my absentee ballot in Bush/Gore was rejected for this reason (was in 1st year of law school in Boston).

BSF21 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:13 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:11 am And in news from Florida... (that normally scares the crap out of people)

Early voting stats show some interesting data.

Vote-by-mail ballots returned: 900,828(R), 1,428,664(D), 589,892(I), 34,975(O)
Vote-by-mail ballots outstanding: 926,699(R), 1,203,033(D), 726,000(I), 44,335(O)
Voted early: 321,007(R), 279,968(D), 720,968(I), 8,318(O)

I still can’t get my mind around knowing the registration of people who have voted.

This aren't results right? Just the indication of registered voters by party?

Correct. Indication of ballots returned by registered voter's party.

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:14 amThe voting by mail thing scares the shit out of me. Refusing ballots because the signature doesn't match is real fucking easy. As I've likely posted before, my absentee ballot in Bush/Gore was rejected for this reason (was in 1st year of law school in Boston).

Right? Even if you can prove its 80% Biden votes getting rejected they can still claim legitimacy at an individual ballot level.

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:14 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:11 am And in news from Florida... (that normally scares the crap out of people)

Early voting stats show some interesting data.

Vote-by-mail ballots returned: 900,828(R), 1,428,664(D), 589,892(I), 34,975(O)
Vote-by-mail ballots outstanding: 926,699(R), 1,203,033(D), 726,000(I), 44,335(O)
Voted early: 321,007(R), 279,968(D), 720,968(I), 8,318(O)

I still can’t get my mind around knowing the registration of people who have voted.

The voting by mail thing scares the shit out of me. Refusing ballots because the signature doesn't match is real fucking easy. As I've likely posted before, my absentee ballot in Bush/Gore was rejected for this reason (was in 1st year of law school in Boston).

I voted by mail in the primary since Nevada is sending ballots to everyone, but I'm voting in person later this week at early voting because of this.

We just checked the website yesterday and confirmed that our ballots were received and legitimate. It was basically the "first generation immigrant gets college acceptance letter commercial" but for white liberal Gen-whatever-we-are-ers

I do think Florida has upgraded since 2000, and is at least telling people if their vote has been rejected if the voter goes and checks online. Still, I was burned.

My wife wanted to do absentee and drop box so we did that for her and it was accepted two days after it was put in the dropbox.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:20 pm Something to balance out the doom and gloom around here.

Other than me routinely predicting a blue wave since 2018?

If your state lets you check on your ballot status online (and it should, heck even Georgia does that), I highly recommend it. Even if you vote early, you should check.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:32 pm Was just coming to drop this here. Saw it when it aired. It's so damn good. Sam Elliott!

And it's a good call back to an earlier discussion we had on here about Sam and his political leanings. That's a nice little dagger to the heart of all those MAGA idiots posting memes with Sam saying stupid shit all over the place.

Eagleton Ron wins after all

<crosspost to the movies thread>

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:58 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:32 pm Was just coming to drop this here. Saw it when it aired. It's so damn good. Sam Elliott!

And it's a good call back to an earlier discussion we had on here about Sam and his political leanings. That's a nice little dagger to the heart of all those MAGA idiots posting memes with Sam saying stupid shit all over the place.

Now if only the Minions put out a pro-Biden ad.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:24 am <crosspost to the movies thread>

Was off twitter for a few hours - was wondering /cringing over why #guilianidick was trending...

Can someone with a stronger stomach give a summary of what happens.

Quick read:

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:14 am
The voting by mail thing scares the shit out of me. Refusing ballots because the signature doesn't match is real fucking easy. As I've likely posted before, my absentee ballot in Bush/Gore was rejected for this reason (was in 1st year of law school in Boston).

Go Terriers!

I dropped my ballot off in a drop box several weeks ago. State website shows it was received and counted.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:28 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:14 am
The voting by mail thing scares the shit out of me. Refusing ballots because the signature doesn't match is real fucking easy. As I've likely posted before, my absentee ballot in Bush/Gore was rejected for this reason (was in 1st year of law school in Boston).

Go Terriers!

I dropped my ballot off in a drop box several weeks ago. State website shows it was received and counted.

Samesies.

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:14 am

BSF21 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:13 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:11 am And in news from Florida... (that normally scares the crap out of people)

Early voting stats show some interesting data.

Vote-by-mail ballots returned: 900,828(R), 1,428,664(D), 589,892(I), 34,975(O)
Vote-by-mail ballots outstanding: 926,699(R), 1,203,033(D), 726,000(I), 44,335(O)
Voted early: 321,007(R), 279,968(D), 720,968(I), 8,318(O)

I still can’t get my mind around knowing the registration of people who have voted.

This aren't results right? Just the indication of registered voters by party?

Correct. Indication of ballots returned by registered voter's party.

Do we know if these ballots have already gone through the acceptance/rejection process?

I'm going to take a very large deep breath and say this ... if she's not really 15 and wasn't portraying a 15 year old to Guiliani, that's pretty fucked up. There's no need to portray a confirmed cousin-fucker as a pedophile.

Yeah, it's very fucked up and couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

And they bury this part very deep in the Daily Beast article and I'm not sure they really even clarify the age issue in The Guardian.

But before anything more can happen, Borat bursts into the room and shouts, “Put down your chram!”—his preferred word for penis. “She’s 15! She’s too old for you!”

The startled Giuliani, who had no reason to believe his interviewer was underage, sits up abruptly and gets out of there as fast as he can. “Rudy, Trump will be disappoint! You are leaving hotel without golden shower!” Borat yells after him.

It could just be me, but it feels like this whole Rudy thing and Trump's "performance" on 60 Minutes just feels like the moment that the dam burst and the spell kind of broke on the Trump Cult.

I saw somewhere that the actress is 24 years old. But you gotta love the arrogance of 76-year-old Giuliani thinking that a woman in her 20s wants to sleep with him.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:56 pm It could just be me, but it feels like this whole Rudy thing and Trump's "performance" on 60 Minutes just feels like the moment that the dam burst and the spell kind of broke on the Trump Cult.

I was watching the football game at the local the other night playing some VP and a Trump ad comes on with the supposed gotcha of Biden saying "I'm raising taxes..." and the ad was so poorly done you could even hear that he wasn't done speaking and heard "on in...." on what was presumably "on incomes of $400,000 and more" and even the dudes in there I know to be hardcore Trump supporters were laughing at how weak it was. (Or possibly were laughing at the audacity of the lie, but kind of the same thing.)

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:53 amWhile we moved out of LA seven years ago, I fall back on this regarding Trump rallies in Huntington Beach and Beverly Hills.

1. Huntington Beach is in Orange County, sometimes called the Orange Curtain due to its more conservative leanings. It's not really LA at all.

2. Looking at some photos of that "rally" in Beverly Hills, there is zero to be impressed/concerned about. I've seen much bigger crowds than the hundreds of people for art festivals in the same location (I used to walk by there to go to the library). Here's why the rallies are on Sunday (they're allegedly having one every week until the election): free parking two blocks away in the city garage for city hall/library/several other public offices that are all closed on Sundays.

Yawn.

Part of that story of how California came to be so liberal though is that some other areas that were never really liberal strongholds like San Diego and the Inland Empire more or less are now though. Also a huge chunk of northern California that can't really be considered the Bay Area from Sacramento down to Davis/Fairfield, etc. which itself has like 4 times the population of Wyoming at least.

Not trying to semantize the joke -- it's funny and mostly accurate. But those areas used to be at worst like 50-50 places and now a Republican couldn't be elected dogcatcher in most of it. It's arguable that there's a lesson for the national GOP of what a joke the California GOP has become and it basically made most of the same mistakes the national GOP is making now, but 20 years ago.

I am by no means, an expert on California politics, but piggy-backing off brian's statement, it sure seems like going all in with anti-same sex marriage propositions, going back to at least 2000, kind of signaled the end of the GOP in that state.

I might be reading too much into that... I'm sure there were other reasons, but that's the rough equivalent as being anti-legalizing pot today. Even if you aren't psyched about pot, the overwhelming majority of Americans are like "what the fuck ever, how is that much different than drinking booze."

Even the Adam Carolla's of the world joke about same sex marriage as a "fine, be careful what you wish for Gay folks."

Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:58 pm But you gotta love the arrogance of 76-year-old Giuliani thinking that a woman in her 20s wants to sleep with him.

For his ilk it wouldn't strange for 'gifts' to show up at the hotel room.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:11 pm I am by no means, an expert on California politics, but piggy-backing off brian's statement, it sure seems like going all in with anti-same sex marriage propositions, going back to at least 2000, kind of signaled the end of the GOP in that state.

I might be reading too much into that... I'm sure there were other reasons, but that's the rough equivalent as being anti-legalizing pot today. Even if you aren't psyched about pot, the overwhelming majority of Americans are like "what the fuck ever, how is that much different than drinking booze."

Even the Adam Carolla's of the world joke about same sex marriage as a "fine, be careful what you wish for Gay folks."

Part of what legitimately scares me about this election is that I assume there are really, really smart people in the GOP leadership who are aware of this and realize the only long-term path to stay in power is literally autocracy and figure this is the best shot they're gonna get at doing it semi-legitimately. (I think something ridiculous like "cancelling elections" would never work, but enough people might go along with some scenario less ridiculous. What gives me hope is that I think most of the same leadership figures a 6-3 Supreme Court will ensure that not enough changes to prevent them from winning a national election again (without a serious change in platform), which would be the case if serious voting reforms were enacted.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:11 pm I am by no means, an expert on California politics, but piggy-backing off brian's statement, it sure seems like going all in with anti-same sex marriage propositions, going back to at least 2000, kind of signaled the end of the GOP in that state.

I might be reading too much into that... I'm sure there were other reasons, but that's the rough equivalent as being anti-legalizing pot today. Even if you aren't psyched about pot, the overwhelming majority of Americans are like "what the fuck ever, how is that much different than drinking booze."

Even the Adam Carolla's of the world joke about same sex marriage as a "fine, be careful what you wish for Gay folks."

When I was living there, I was shocked at how bloodthirsty the state was regarding the death penalty, and how insanely anti-tax they were.

It's commonly believed that the anti-immigration Prop 187 spelled the beginning of the end for the Republicans, but as with these things, there are reasons to question that. But regardless of the cause, Gray Davis won the governorship with 58% of the vote in 1998, and since then the only Republican to win statewide (I think) has been Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Nothing specific but rumors that the national GOP is pulling out of Wisconsin and Michigan, which means Trump's only strategy at this point is to have PA be his firewall. The internal polling in WI and MI is dire, especially because of COVID (if you've been following the news, the state GOP in both states have successfully sued the Dem governors to lift health restrictions, but now that COVID is exploding again in both places, people are furious at the GOP.

Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:58 pm I saw somewhere that the actress is 24 years old. But you gotta love the arrogance of 76-year-old Giuliani thinking that a woman in her 20s wants to sleep with him.

Money and power are 1a and 1b when it comes to access to ass.