EPL 2020/21

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:34 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:13 pm feels like the all-in counter to the proposed champions league changes (which suck too). there's nothing really wrong with the champions league as is!

Yup. Let's see who budges. We're a long way away from a super league. FAs might block it. Governments might block it.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:52 am

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:26 am

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:52 am

Why would they have listened to him for more than 30 seconds? What a babaca!

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:34 am

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:52 am

Are the cameras still rolling for the All or Nothing series at Tottenham? I'd love to see the footage of these discussions. I imagine Delle is staring at him with a huge grin.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:48 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:34 am
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:52 am
Are the cameras still rolling for the All or Nothing series at Tottenham? I'd love to see the footage of these discussions. I imagine Delle is staring at him with a huge grin.
I couldn't make it past the 3rd episode of that show. It really seemed as though Mourinho's company produced it.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:21 pm

I always admire how the English soccer press doesn’t just go after the low hanging fruit, it bakes a delicious low hanging fruit pie:

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Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:03 pm

Don't think I've ever seen a keeper charged with an own goal before.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:06 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:03 pm Don't think I've ever seen a keeper charged with an own goal before.

Happens pretty frequently. Usually when it comes off the post and hits the goalie.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:54 am

This happened to none other than pre-MLS Minnesota United

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:42 pm

VAR has got to go.

That red card in the West Ham/Chelsea game was inexplicble.

Post by **Shirley** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:50 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:42 pm VAR has got to go.

That red card in the West Ham/Chelsea game was inexplicble.

I'm Chelsea fan and I agree that it was ridiculous. I'm not sure why it's VAR's fault though. The ref got a great look at it and made the wrong call anyway. I have no idea why.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:59 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:50 pm
Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:42 pm VAR has got to go.

That red card in the West Ham/Chelsea game was inexplicble.
I'm Chelsea fan and I agree that it was ridiculous. I'm not sure why it's VAR's fault though. The ref got a great look at it and made the wrong call anyway. I have no idea why.

The VAR system just doesn't work - and you're right, that ref sucked.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:21 pm

That's not on VAR, that's on the ref's interpretation of VAR

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:39 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:21 pm That's not on VAR, that's on the ref's interpretation of VAR

But if it hadn't have been for the VAR system, the ref wouldn't have had a chance to make that call.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:24 pm

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:39 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:21 pm That's not on VAR, that's on the ref's interpretation of VAR
But if it hadn't have been for the VAR system, the ref wouldn't have had a chance to make that call.

Sure but without VAR, the ref would miss a thousand other things, the things that caused VAR to be implemented in the first place. You're blaming the tools instead of the user.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:25 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:24 pm
Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:39 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:21 pm That's not on VAR, that's on the ref's interpretation of VAR
But if it hadn't have been for the VAR system, the ref wouldn't have had a chance to make that call.
Sure but without VAR, the ref would miss a thousand other things, the things that caused VAR to be implemented in the first place. You're blaming the tools instead of the user.

No need to split hairs here - VAR in the EPL sucks. Sure the tools are fine, but the way they are being used is trash.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:40 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:25 am
degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:24 pm
Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:39 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:21 pm That's not on VAR, that's on the ref's interpretation of VAR
But if it hadn't have been for the VAR system, the ref wouldn't have had a chance to make that call.
Sure but without VAR, the ref would miss a thousand other things, the things that caused VAR to be implemented in the first place. You're blaming the tools instead of the user.
No need to split hairs here - VAR in the EPL sucks. Sure the tools are fine, but the way they are being used is trash.

Heard on one of the myriad of soccer pods I consume that VAR is much worse and/or much more used in EPL than other major European leagues.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:59 am

Not that these aren’t major issues, but it’s really just two, right? (1) The offsides nonsense and (2) officials not calling things because VAR is there to back them up, but part of VAR is leaning on the on-field call? Those seem, in theory, fixable.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:16 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:59 am Not that these aren’t major issues, but it’s really just two, right? (1) The offsides nonsense and (2) officials not calling things because VAR is there to back them up, but part of VAR is leaning on the on-field call? Those seem, in theory, fixable.

100% agree with this. The worst part of VAR is when they pull out the lines to see if an elbow is a millimeter beyond the foot of the defender. My understanding is that VAR is supposed to check for an obvious missed call. If you need to draw all the colored lines across the field to determine fractions of an inch, that's not an obvious missed call. It's stupid, as the video guy could stop the frame a microsecond earlier and get the opposite call. You can't select the exact frame the ball left the passers foot, so why treat it as a perfect science? Prime example on Friday in the Arsenal v. Everton game. VAR checking on a penalty called on the field, VAR confirms, then goes back 15 seconds prior to the penalty and calls offside by a fraction of an inch. Completely outside the purpose, and taking away goals on ticky tacky shit. Nobody likes that. When I was a referee, they changed the offside rule, it used to be if you were even with the last defender you were offside, they changed it to make even onside in order to allow more scoring and game flow. Basically tie goes to the runner, and if it was too close to tell, you erred on the side of letting the play continue. I think with VAR, if any part of the offensive player is even with any part of the defender, they should allow the play to count.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:33 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:16 amWhen I was a referee, they changed the offside rule, it used to be if you were even with the last defender you were offside, they changed it to make even onside in order to allow more scoring and game flow. Basically tie goes to the runner, and if it was too close to tell, you erred on the side of letting the play continue. I think with VAR, if any part of the offensive player is even with any part of the defender, they should allow the play to count.

I thought this was the rule ... until VAR came out and they started calling offside for the attacker's hand being ahead of the defender's knee or whatever.

I like your suggestion. But if they aren't comfortable going that far offensively, they should use the "where are the dicks" test. If the attacker's dick is even with or behind the defender's, it's not offside.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:44 am

Base or tip, Steve?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:55 am

That's all still interpretation of VAR

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun May 02, 2021 8:18 am

The fans are revolting on the pitch at Old Trafford.

serrano · Post by **serrano** » Sun May 02, 2021 8:28 am

rass wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:18 am The fans are revolting on the pitch at Old Trafford.

Weird break-in by Rebecca during the NUFC-ARS match with side-by-side feeds of the game and the protest.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun May 02, 2021 8:32 am

Just “DAY-bree” left on the pitch

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Sun May 02, 2021 9:08 am

rass wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:32 am Just “DAY-bree” left on the pitch

There's DAY-bree on lap 1 in Portugal as well!

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun May 02, 2021 9:14 am

Fans back inside. NBC Sports reported that the refs were told to leave when they showed up. Game seems to be in danger of not happening today.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun May 02, 2021 9:15 am

Arlo White has been escorted from the press box. God speed.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun May 02, 2021 9:24 am

Definitely a 1/6 feel to this, and not just because of the breathless commentary. Like some of these guys (and Lowe) can’t believe they made it as far as they did. English soccer hooligans seem less prone to violence than MAGAs though.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Sun May 02, 2021 10:11 am

Like the 1/6ers, these people are so f'ing dumb that even given a legitimate reason to keep your face covered whilst committing the crime they still don't.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun May 02, 2021 10:16 am

rass wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:18 am The fans are revolting on the pitch at Old Trafford.

You said it, they stink on ice!

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun May 02, 2021 10:56 am

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P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Sun May 02, 2021 11:05 am

These spermacidal gel ads are surely hitting their target market.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Sun May 02, 2021 11:44 am

Very strange watching how non-aggressive the stewards and police were. They were down right helpful to the guy who lost his shoe (who was also the guy throwing TV camera tripods).

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun May 02, 2021 12:14 pm

rass wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 9:24 am Definitely a 1/6 feel to this, and not just because of the breathless commentary. Like some of these guys (and Lowe) can’t believe they made it as far as they did. English soccer hooligans seem less prone to violence than MAGAs though.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun May 02, 2021 9:33 pm

The American owners of Brit teams have made us all so proud.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon May 10, 2021 1:45 pm

Cavani re-ups for another year at Old Trafford.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Tue May 11, 2021 1:34 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:45 pm Cavani re-ups for another year at Old Trafford.

Time to earn it now.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed May 12, 2021 6:51 pm

Man that Chelsea-Arsenal game was frustrated. Chelsea completely dominated, but lost 1-0 due to a horrific back-pass-that-was-very-nearly-an-awful-own-goal from Jorginho. Seriously, Arsenal looked like one of the worst teams Chelsea's played all year, but Chelsea couldn't put it in the net (well, other than the time Pulisic actually did but was offsides). Bah, soccer can be frustrating.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 12, 2021 7:27 pm

Missed a chance to effectively kill Liverpool as well.