The Swamp

Damn.

Slightly before my time, but my father raved about him.

Check out his stats for 1968. 304 innings, 1.12 ERA 13 shutouts... and somehow he lost 9 games.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... bo01.shtml

Well. I thought he was already dead.

Seems fitting that Bob Gibson dies on a day where a team wins a deciding playoff game using 9 pitchers.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:09 pm Seems fitting that Bob Gibson dies on a day where a team wins a deciding playoff game using 9 pitchers.

Brilliant!

28 complete games in a season is insane

Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Put yadi in a soft case.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:13 pm 28 complete games in a season is insane

255 complete games for his career. Damn. He had more career complete games than wins! That will certainly never happen again.

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Put yadi in a soft case.

Or Pujols. They definitely love Yadi here but El Hombre has to be the best living Cardinal.

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:27 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Put yadi in a soft case.

Or Pujols. They definitely love Yadi here but El Hombre has to be the best living Cardinal.

Well yadi isn’t a traitor.

I’m being facetious. Obviously cardinal pujols is the better player.

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:27 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Put yadi in a soft case.

Or Pujols. They definitely love Yadi here but El Hombre has to be the best living Cardinal.

Well yadi isn’t a traitor.

I’m being facetious. Obviously cardinal pujols is the better player.

I know you're joking -- and everyone here knows Pujols is better -- but the single-team "loyalty" factor seriously enhances fans' views of Molina and Wainwright. Molina is talked about as a slam-dunk Hall of Famer and legend of the sport by most people here, while silly old me wonders what the HOF argument is for him over Jorge Posada.

He was so dominating in 1968 (1.12 ERA) that they lowered the damn mound!

So good they had to change the rules and have a new era start.

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:33 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:27 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Put yadi in a soft case.

Or Pujols. They definitely love Yadi here but El Hombre has to be the best living Cardinal.

Well yadi isn’t a traitor.

I’m being facetious. Obviously cardinal pujols is the better player.

I know you're joking -- and everyone here knows Pujols is better -- but the single-team "loyalty" factor seriously enhances fans' views of Molina and Wainwright. Molina is talked about as a slam-dunk Hall of Famer and legend of the sport by most people here, while silly old me wonders what the HOF argument is for him over Jorge Posada.

Or anyone, really. Yadi had two or three fantastic seasons, but otherwise wasn’t he just basically “pretty good” at best?

Many of you probably already saw it, but in case you missed it, I don't recall the story in this twitter thread ending up in an old "brushes" thread here.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:39 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:33 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:27 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Pretty tough for fans around here to have Brock and Gibson die within a one-month span. The "Best Fans in Baseball" shtick draws plenty of deserved jokes, but those two guys are both legitimate legends who are borderline mythical figures to Cards fans.

Put yadi in a soft case.

Or Pujols. They definitely love Yadi here but El Hombre has to be the best living Cardinal.

Well yadi isn’t a traitor.

I’m being facetious. Obviously cardinal pujols is the better player.

I know you're joking -- and everyone here knows Pujols is better -- but the single-team "loyalty" factor seriously enhances fans' views of Molina and Wainwright. Molina is talked about as a slam-dunk Hall of Famer and legend of the sport by most people here, while silly old me wonders what the HOF argument is for him over Jorge Posada.

Or anyone, really. Yadi had two or three fantastic seasons, but otherwise wasn’t he just basically “pretty good” at best?

I'm with you on this one, but I'm careful not to say it out loud around here at risk of annoying people. I picked Posada because he was a far superior offensive catcher who also trumped Molina in the all-important "Ringzzzz" category for people who overvalue playoff appearances. Molina is a very valuable defensive player with a lot of longevity but only average (at best) offensive production. Unless i'm forgetting someone, the only modern HOF'er who fits that profile is Ozzie Smith, who is the single most valuable defensive player ever per both BRef and Fangraphs. I think Cards media people actually know the weakness in the case, and exaggerate Molina's offensive skills (a low K-rate and little else) and productivity (basically just compiler stats) to compensate.

Anyway, to avoid too much of a thread-jack, the great Rob Friedman Twitter account (@PitchingNinja) has been posting some fantastic videos this weekend of Gibson talking about his pitching philosophy. Some of what he said was counterintuitive to me at first, but makes a lot of sense when he explained it. Gibson talked about his reputation for throwing inside and hitting batters and he was clear that the point of that wasn't to "control the inside corner." Gibson felt that you're never going to win against good hitters by throwing a lot of inside fastballs, because power hitters tend to crush that pitch. However, Gibson threw fastballs off the plate and inside to deter hitters from cheating on his outside corner pitches. He wanted to ensure that if he could hit his spots on the outside corner that he'd get guys out.