2020-2021 NHL Regular Season Thread

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:10 am

The league's regular 5 minute recap of the night's games, (and their 8 minute extended recap) both start with about 2 seconds of the initial line brawl (because these videos always start with the opening faceoff) and then cut away completely. Stupid fucking league.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:11 am

But Mantha kept slashing the back of his leg!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:24 am

Rangers fined $250K

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am

Yeah, as I posted earlier, you knew the NHL wasn't going to just let that Rangers' statement go without a response, after fining the Sharks $100k for a much more benign statement after the Raffi Torres year-long suspension.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:28 am

See, they should have boycotted the game!

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:31 am

sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am Yeah, as I posted earlier, you knew the NHL wasn't going to just let that Rangers' statement go without a response, after fining the Sharks $100k for a much more benign statement after the Raffi Torres year-long suspension.

These fines make it seem like the league is a little cash poor. Wouldn't you normally punish a team by taking away draft picks or docking them points in the standings?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:41 am

Man... What kind of fine would they have doled out if they'd bailed on a nationally televised game?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:56 am

Rex wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 11:31 am
sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 11:25 am Yeah, as I posted earlier, you knew the NHL wasn't going to just let that Rangers' statement go without a response, after fining the Sharks $100k for a much more benign statement after the Raffi Torres year-long suspension.
These fines make it seem like the league is a little cash poor. Wouldn't you normally punish a team by taking away draft picks or docking them points in the standings?

Because a fine is fake outrage. The Coyotes recently lost their first round pick for tampering, which is a real offense.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu May 06, 2021 7:01 pm

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:35 am

Listening to The Lead this morning had my blood boiling. I very casually follow hockey and knew about Tom Wilson, but holy shit the league is fucked up. How do you have someone like that as the Director of Player Safety??

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:37 am

Giff wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:35 am Listening to The Lead this morning had my blood boiling. I very casually follow hockey and knew about Tom Wilson, but holy shit the league is fucked up. How do you have someone like that as the Director of Player Safety??

Parros is just a cog. The real issue starts with Colin Campbell. Absolute dinosaur and how that guy still had a job after his email leak tell you everything.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:37 am

I actually thought Parros was going to be a really, really good choice. He knows the violent side of hockey, but he always seemed to play inside the rules and had a Princeton education. He could have been a perfect bridge from past to present but ... that didn't work out. Mostly all the same shit.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:38 am

And absolutely, Colin Campbell is a massive problem. Him and his son can get fucked, even though his son seemed pretty ok on his own.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am

What they said.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:42 am

jeez this stuff is beyond maddening.

respect that Parros may be intelligent or whatnot but frankly it's irrelevant to me and so fucking NHL to have a former fringe-ECHL goon be the head of discipline. Whether they want it to or not, it creates the very-real image that the league steers towards protecting the (so-called) tough players rather than the actual skill players.

a brilliant non-cheapshot/fighting ex-player like Henrik Sedin should be the next head of discipline if they want anybody to start taking them seriously.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri May 07, 2021 8:46 am

MaxWebster wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:42 ama brilliant non-cheapshot/fighting ex-player like Henrik Sedin should be the next head of discipline if they want anybody to start taking them seriously.

Ehhh ... I get not having a guy who would only have been on one side of any potential incidents and by being "clean", Parros kinda fit the middle. But then again maybe the perfect middle was Shanahan so I don't know. Maybe have a neurologist run DoPS.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri May 07, 2021 9:00 am

It doesn't matter who is the cog, the league controls everything. It's like communism, you have to fall in line. Rangers getting fined and suspended for contempt.

Wilson just had to be suspended for ONE game. How hard was that?

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Fri May 07, 2021 9:12 am

well....i'm not sure how Parros is in the "middle" (career: 1092 PIM, 36 points) :D

but don't you think optics (which i'm going to kick myself in the nuts having used that word twice now already...jeez) DO matter here? Like...i'm literally laughing that they continually put a goon in charge of discipline, even if he is a figurehead.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:46 am
MaxWebster wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:42 ama brilliant non-cheapshot/fighting ex-player like Henrik Sedin should be the next head of discipline if they want anybody to start taking them seriously.
Ehhh ... I get not having a guy who would only have been on one side of any potential incidents and by being "clean", Parros kinda fit the middle. But then again maybe the perfect middle was Shanahan so I don't know. Maybe have a neurologist run DoPS.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am

Fighting is legal, Max!

Middle meaning he was never (I'm almost positive) suspended, so as the deterrent/enforcer he was the literal middle of guys who are targeted and guys who played cheap.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Fri May 07, 2021 10:32 am

heh. true, true.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am Fighting is legal, Max!

Middle meaning he was never (I'm almost positive) suspended, so as the deterrent/enforcer he was the literal middle of guys who are targeted and guys who played cheap.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri May 07, 2021 12:41 pm

MaxWebster wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:42 am jeez this stuff is beyond maddening.

respect that Parros may be intelligent or whatnot but frankly it's irrelevant to me and so fucking NHL to have a former fringe-ECHL goon be the head of discipline. Whether they want it to or not, it creates the very-real image that the league steers towards protecting the (so-called) tough players rather than the actual skill players.

a brilliant non-cheapshot/fighting ex-player like Henrik Sedin should be the next head of discipline if they want anybody to start taking them seriously.

I have a pretty eclectic YouTube feed, and one of the guys that pops up is Pat McAfee... Admittedly knows very little about hockey. Tuned in to the shitfest game SPECIFICALLY because he was aware it was going to be a shitfest.

Folks on his staff let him know who Parros was and he was like..."Oh, so, he's just protecting a fellow goon."

I relay all that just to say I totally agree that Parros needs to be on the right side of things, or it just looks really really bad.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri May 07, 2021 1:10 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:41 pm
MaxWebster wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:42 am jeez this stuff is beyond maddening.

respect that Parros may be intelligent or whatnot but frankly it's irrelevant to me and so fucking NHL to have a former fringe-ECHL goon be the head of discipline. Whether they want it to or not, it creates the very-real image that the league steers towards protecting the (so-called) tough players rather than the actual skill players.

a brilliant non-cheapshot/fighting ex-player like Henrik Sedin should be the next head of discipline if they want anybody to start taking them seriously.
I have a pretty eclectic YouTube feed, and one of the guys that pops up is Pat McAfee... Admittedly knows very little about hockey. Tuned in to the shitfest game SPECIFICALLY because he was aware it was going to be a shitfest.

Folks on his staff let him know who Parros was and he was like..."Oh, so, he's just protecting a fellow goon."

I relay all that just to say I totally agree that Parros needs to be on the right side of things, or it just looks really really bad.

I'm going to use your word, optics. The NHL has maybe the worse marketing and optics in the sports world. Dinosaurs running this league and they don't care that it's 2021. They know better. A sport is supposed to welcome new fans and new ideas. The NHL often calls new fans stupid.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri May 07, 2021 2:56 pm

Well, I also should've relayed that he LOVED the shitfest game and he and his staff think that should happen once a week.

/grain of salt

We've talked on this board a lot on this topic over the years. The league made carrying a goon not really feasible due to rule changes. The problem is when a freak (size + athleticism + psychopath) like Wilson comes along and you don't really have anyone on the roster capable of meting out on-the-ice justice to him.

It's one thing to board guys. What he did with Panarin really was borderline criminal. If he'd put his head into this... Really had flashbacks of Bertuzzi-Moore.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri May 07, 2021 3:05 pm

Its why I wasn't kidding at all about someone pulling a Graves-on-Lemiuex in that game. What does fighting Tom Wilson with guys smaller than Tom Wilson prove? Fuck him. If he tries to hurt someone on your team and you can't respond the same way with the players you have, the players you have hurt him in a different way. Use the stick, knee-on-knee, whatever. Let him and their fans counter-cry that your team was differently dirty while he's hoping to recover from surgery in time for the playoffs.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri May 07, 2021 3:32 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:56 pm Well, I also should've relayed that he LOVED the shitfest game and he and his staff think that should happen once a week.

/grain of salt

We've talked on this board a lot on this topic over the years. The league made carrying a goon not really feasible due to rule changes. The problem is when a freak (size + athleticism + psychopath) like Wilson comes along and you don't really have anyone on the roster capable of meting out on-the-ice justice to him.

It's one thing to board guys. What he did with Panarin really was borderline criminal. If he'd put his head into this... Really had flashbacks of Bertuzzi-Moore.

How to handle Wilson is easy. Call the rules. Suspended him alot. You do not see other sports having to police violence themselves. In football, if a receiver get clocked by a safety across the middle, you don't see a brawl breakout, you don't see retribution. It's 15 yards and move on. The problem in hockey is 100% culture from the age of 10.

Post by **brian** » Fri May 07, 2021 10:13 pm

It’s amazing how zen you have to be about shitty NHL officiating. It helps to remember half these shitty crews don’t work the playoffs.

Post by **brian** » Fri May 07, 2021 11:52 pm

Vegas moves to 9-0 in OT this year.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Sun May 09, 2021 11:48 am

Cool story from last night's caps game. But the fact that he carried him on his shoulders made it better.

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Post by **brian** » Mon May 10, 2021 1:08 pm

With a win tonight the VGK will have more Presidents' Trophies than <checks notes> the Montreal Canadiens.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon May 10, 2021 3:37 pm

So if the Bruins win one of last two games tonight and tomorrow vs Isles and Caps, it Pens-Isles/Caps-Bruins. If they lose both, Pens-Bruins/Caps-Isles. What are we rooting for, Rass? Isles are fucking good but I still think I'd rather have the Caps and Bruins beat up on each other for a round before a potential match-up.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 10, 2021 3:44 pm

I was talking about that with my dad over the weekend and decided I'm still a little too close to the 0-4 sweep by the Isles a couple of years ago to be reasonable about it. Plus they haven't played NYI in months. Don't know if that's good or bad either.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon May 10, 2021 3:44 pm

Islanders will literally beat on a team too.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon May 10, 2021 3:46 pm

rass wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:44 pm I was talking about that with my dad over the weekend and decided I'm still a little too close to the 0-4 sweep by the Isles a couple of years ago to be reasonable about it. Plus they haven't played NYI in months. Don't know if that's good or bad either.

The Islanders are a "heavy" team and so are the Bruins. The Caps may be more skilled, but you'd likely come out of a series with them with less injuries (unless Tom Wilson goes on another berserker).

Post by **brian** » Mon May 10, 2021 7:14 pm

VGK reportedly dressing only 15 players (10 forwards and 5 D) tonight because of injuries/salary cap issues so get those bets in on Colorado.

Post by **brian** » Mon May 10, 2021 8:26 pm

Not like it's one of the biggest regular season games in team history or anything.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue May 11, 2021 8:04 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:26 pm Not like it's one of the biggest regular season games in team history or anything.

Good shout. Made some coin on the Avs.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue May 11, 2021 8:25 am

Playoffs staring this Saturday. North Division will catch up.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 12, 2021 8:14 am

I can't believe I'm rooting, somewhat strongly, for the Penguins to come out of the East. That's gross.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Wed May 12, 2021 8:39 am

just because i'm either not nearly eloquent enough or just fucking exhausted and am tired of caring, but fuck Terry Pegula and that family raw with a rusty iron fleur-de-lys. I almost wouldn't care if they moved this franchise to Quebec City.

/venting

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 12, 2021 8:47 am

It was never good, but refusing to let a player get surgery seems really, really bad. How can you get any kind of legit free agent if they know that's a possibility.