sancarlos wrote:Maybe it has something to do with laws preventing a wife from having to testify against her husband??
It doesn't prevent the camera from testifying
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sancarlos wrote:Maybe it has something to do with laws preventing a wife from having to testify against her husband??
1A: Spousal privilegetennbengal wrote:Reason for marriage:
1. Love
2. Pregnancy
3. Arranged
4. Immigration
5. Mail order
100. Public Relations
Just like them dick teases too, wearing those short skirts and asking to raped. They had it coming.HaulCitgo wrote:Haven't paid attention to this story since the video came out and agree that either way its bad PR, but, shocker... Sometimes people do dumb shit that prompts and even justifies an ass whooping. And I guess its controversial but sometimes that person is a female. Now I'd like to think you wouldn't do that to someone you love but on the flip side maybe that's what makes it all the more justifiable. I am fully against abusing your woman and see a lot more of it than I wish to but there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that your actions might have brought on a beating if they did. Still a bad move by the ravens but only because the public isn't comfortable with these conversations.
The point is you don't know what happened in the Rice situation. So trying to justify it is callous at best.HaulCitgo wrote:Well most everyone would agree that if your girl points a gun at your face, then it is ok to punch them as Rice did. Conversely, if your girl brings you lukewarm pancakes then most everyone would say not ok to punch them as Rice did. So the only issue is where that line is and under many circumstances the ravens statement might be true. But I won't attempt to deny you a rape fantasy. Carry on.
This.brian wrote:Your straw man argument aside, there was absolutely less than zero excuse to trot Rice's wife up there and make her apologize for being beaten and dragged unconscious through a casino.
At a press conference Friday filled with self-pity, in which he did not apologize to his wife, Janay Palmer, Rice said he had “failed miserably.”
What he really appeared to fail at was an apology. “I failed miserably, but I wouldn’t call myself a failure because failure is not getting knocked down. It’s not getting up,” he said
But she has really pretty eyes, so...howard wrote:This one sure seems like a real piece of work.
Hope Solo arrested for allegedly striking sister, nephew at party
Who'da thunk it that Stevens would end up being the stable part of that couple.howard wrote:This one sure seems like a real piece of work.
Hope Solo arrested for allegedly striking sister, nephew at party
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
what if the woman says "hit me."Johnnie wrote:In order to not threadjack the NFL breaking down thread...
The internet and the world flipped the fuck out over these Stephen A. Smith comments regarding domestic abuse:
"OMG! An ESPN employee thinks women are 'asking to be hit' and therefore need to think about men because men are the usual victims of domestic abuse."
tennbengal wrote:Johnnie ..nothing anyone does, including women, deserves a beating.
As if that doesn't apply to men either. In my mind he's only guilty of bad timing. Women deserve ass beatings just as much as men do in certain circumstances. But as a man, you just don't beat a woman unless that woman is actively trying to kill you.tennbengal wrote:Smith stepped into for putting a part of the burden on a woman to avoid getting physically beaten.
Michelle Beadle was all over that. Correctly.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
word.DaveInSeattle wrote:First off.....Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless are jack-asses, and should never be listened to under any circumstances.
I don't mean to quibble about the words rarely and common, but 15% times the number of domestic violence incidents is a big number. And a woman striking a man (which is the case in woman on man domestic violence--cops and courts don't charge and convict women for getting in the face, only for actual battery) accounts for that 15% or so. Very different from actual battery is 'getting in someone's face'.Third...All this about "women get in men's face because they know they can't be hit". Ok, maybe....rarely. Stats show that something like 85% (or more) of domestic violence incidents are men beating women.
Word and werd.4th....I guarantee that this wasn't the first time Ray Rice beat her. Just the first time it was caught on video tape.
5th....What is this with ESPN pundits being "tough guys". Here's Stephen A talking about how he and "his boys" had to get physical with someone, and Wilbon does this all the time on PTI...about how he would go "upside someone's head". Like Mr Pampered Sportswriter is going to throw down with someone...
PR guy doing what PR guys do.mister d wrote:"Ho
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Ravens fans are used to offseason acts of violence being the prelude to a redemption arc that ends in a championship.EdRomero wrote:I just don't get fans giving him a standing ovation today. He sucked last year.
Fanniebug wrote: P.S. rass! Dont write me again, dude! You're in ignore list!
I think this is worse. I think I think by a lot.AB_skin_test wrote:Same fans who overlooked Ray Lewis, remember.
You know, in my mind the profession of Public Relations is right down there with arms merchant in terms of respectable professions.mister d wrote:"Ho
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Really asshole? Thanks for showing us the "warts and all."What I attempt to do with this blog is lift the veil on the Ravens, try to share with fans some of what takes place that media doesn't see or care to cover.
"Why would women feel uncomfortable around you, Ray?" I asked, genuinely perplexed.That PR Guy wrote:I heard the clang of a weight in the corner. When I looked to see who was there, it was Ray. "What are you doing here?" I asked him and joked that he could turn on the lights.
A subdued Rice said: "I've been trying to come in the building and work out when no one is here. I'm not sure anyone wants to see me. I'm so sorry, and I'm embarrassed. And, I don't want to make any of the women feel uncomfortable."
Wow.
"Your dick tastes good as always Ray."mister d wrote:"Why would women feel uncomfortable around you, Ray?" I asked, genuinely perplexed.That PR Guy wrote:I heard the clang of a weight in the corner. When I looked to see who was there, it was Ray. "What are you doing here?" I asked him and joked that he could turn on the lights.
A subdued Rice said: "I've been trying to come in the building and work out when no one is here. I'm not sure anyone wants to see me. I'm so sorry, and I'm embarrassed. And, I don't want to make any of the women feel uncomfortable."
Wow.
"Because, Kevin, just a few weeks ago I punched my fiancee so hard in the face that she lost consciousness for several minutes. I did this in public. I then dragged her body back towards our hotel room."
"Oh."
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Well said, Dave.Shirley wrote:There are two different issues here. In that annoying video Johnnie posted, the two groups are arguing at each other, saying different things.
Whoopie - if a woman hits a man, she shouldn't be surprised if he hits her back.
Everyone else - A man should NEVER hit a woman.
Those two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive. I think they are both right. The key (to me) is that even though you may lose the right to be "surprised" when someone hits you back after you hit them, it doesn't excuse the behavior of either side.
There's a clear moral (and legal) concept of appropriate response and inappropriate escalation in any conflict. If I hit you, that doesn't give you the right to stab me. If I punch you, you don't have the right to burn my house down. In the vast majority of cases (and 100% of them involving professional football players), a man hitting a woman is a large escalation over a woman hitting a man back.
Looking at this in reverse, this is why you get cases (and I'm usually cool with it) where a woman shoots a man who beats her up. She has no other appropriate response (well, ignoring going to the police or whatever). Hitting him back is not feasible and/or not comparable. She HAS to escalate, because physical combat is never going to be fair.
All that said, back to Whoopie's point - it's the same reason you should never pick a fight at a bar. While the other dude is only morally or legally allowed to punch you back, there's no telling when you might get a dude who's going to shoot you instead.