Oscars 2022

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:03 pm

So....Will Smith just punched Chris Rock, right?

After his 'GI Jane 2' joke...Jada was PISSED...and after the punch/slap, Will was saying 'Keep my wife's name outta your mouth'.

Crazy...

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:06 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:03 pm So....Will Smith just punched Chris Rock, right?

After his 'GI Jane 2' joke...Jada was PISSED...and after the punch/slap, Will was saying 'Keep my wife's name outta your mouth'.

Crazy...

Here's the moment...

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:07 pm

The internet is going OFF right now.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:12 pm

From Japanese TV:

We're behind, and that was crazy. Definitely not stage.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:20 pm

insult comedy was already dying....that might be the date of death

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:27 pm

Then he wins best actor and does his best acting performance of his life.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:35 pm

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:44 pm

Rock and the Smiths have had a beef for a while. She revealed last year that she has alopecia and finally decided to just shave her head. Rock was asking for this one. There's no way he didn't know about it. Will Smith is going to come out just fine from this.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:49 pm

His speech sucked major fucking shit. “Love makes you punch people!” “That was just like being a demanding tennis dad, am I right daughters sitting up there!?!”

Also as someone raised by grandparents I love Lady Gaga now

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:33 pm

Reaper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:44 pm Rock and the Smiths have had a beef for a while. She revealed last year that she has alopecia and finally decided to just shave her head. Rock was asking for this one. There's no way he didn't know about it. Will Smith is going to come out just fine from this.

To be fair, Will Smith was laughing at the joke until he wasn't.

Skip to 25 seconds:

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:39 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:56 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:23 am

JOMBOY play by play:

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:33 am

Maybe this is the Closing in on Fifty talking, but I think Jada Pinkett Smith has never looked sexier than she does now.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:18 am

Mister D: [walks into your kitchen and brutally slaps you across the face with a VHS copy of Set It Off]

pruitt2 · Post by **pruitt2** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:18 am

Ryan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:49 pm His speech sucked major fucking shit. “Love makes you punch people!” “That was just like being a demanding tennis dad, am I right daughters sitting up there!?!”

If there's a wing in the Actors' Museum for self-serving "lovey" speeches, that gets a display all of its own.

What a twat.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:32 am

Will Smith is a dork, Chris Rock is far more likeable but overall I don't really have an issue with The Slap. You don't get to be edgy or personal and then cry when someone reacts, which to Rock's credit he hasn't done.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:44 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:32 am Will Smith is a dork, Chris Rock is far more likeable but overall I don't really have an issue with The Slap. You don't get to be edgy or personal and then cry when someone reacts, which to Rock's credit he hasn't done.

Rock could have buried him at that moment with a followup joke but let it go.

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:55 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:33 pm
Reaper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:44 pm Rock and the Smiths have had a beef for a while. She revealed last year that she has alopecia and finally decided to just shave her head. Rock was asking for this one. There's no way he didn't know about it. Will Smith is going to come out just fine from this.
To be fair, Will Smith was laughing at the joke until he wasn't.

I mean, he's learned to take the jokes in stride, because that's kinda what you have to do as a celebrity. That's why even the infidelity/open relationship jokes, while maybe cringey, he laughed off, because they brought them on themselves. So you deal. But Will then probably noticed Jada's reaction, realized this is a longstanding thing with them and Rock, and you're dealing with a genetic condition, and you're making a joke at the expense of that?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:58 am

Which insufferable OpEd columnist will have the most laughable take on all this? My money is on Bret Stephens.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:10 am

Amy Schumer was pretty good. Wanda Sykes as well, but they did Regina Hall dirty. Maybe just not as much name recognition but her bits dragged.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:11 am

Reaper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:55 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:33 pm
Reaper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:44 pm Rock and the Smiths have had a beef for a while. She revealed last year that she has alopecia and finally decided to just shave her head. Rock was asking for this one. There's no way he didn't know about it. Will Smith is going to come out just fine from this.
To be fair, Will Smith was laughing at the joke until he wasn't.

I mean, he's learned to take the jokes in stride, because that's kinda what you have to do as a celebrity. That's why even the infidelity/open relationship jokes, while maybe cringey, he laughed off, because they brought them on themselves. So you deal. But Will then probably noticed Jada's reaction, realized this is a longstanding thing with them and Rock, and you're dealing with a genetic condition, and you're making a joke at the expense of that?

I think it's pretty safe to say that when a person cracks jokes about things a person has no control over, that person is being an asshole. That's really why in today's world, joking about race/ethnic stereotypes, sexuality/gender, or disabilities means you're probably going on the receiving end of a (justifiable) figurative or literal slap. I'm a Chris Rock fan, and he's probably the top standup over the last 30 years, but if he knew Jada had alopecia, then fuck him, he had it coming.

I can't get too worked up over this because I'm not convinced this wasn't a work. The entire entertainment industry is built on fame; this would get people talking. And I don't even think it landed cleanly. Jimmy Caan is probably appalled by it missing.

And if we're talking about most laughable, Bret Stephens is a good bet on someone who's not necessarily acting in bad faith. If you're including bad-faith actors then the betting lines widen.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:23 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:11 am
Reaper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:55 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:33 pm
Reaper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:44 pm Rock and the Smiths have had a beef for a while. She revealed last year that she has alopecia and finally decided to just shave her head. Rock was asking for this one. There's no way he didn't know about it. Will Smith is going to come out just fine from this.
To be fair, Will Smith was laughing at the joke until he wasn't.

I mean, he's learned to take the jokes in stride, because that's kinda what you have to do as a celebrity. That's why even the infidelity/open relationship jokes, while maybe cringey, he laughed off, because they brought them on themselves. So you deal. But Will then probably noticed Jada's reaction, realized this is a longstanding thing with them and Rock, and you're dealing with a genetic condition, and you're making a joke at the expense of that?
I think it's pretty safe to say that when a person cracks jokes about things a person has no control over, that person is being an asshole. That's really why in today's world, joking about race/ethnic stereotypes, sexuality/gender, or disabilities means you're probably going on the receiving end of a (justifiable) figurative or literal slap. I'm a Chris Rock fan, and he's probably the top standup over the last 30 years, but if he knew Jada had alopecia, then fuck him, he had it coming.

I can't get too worked up over this because I'm not convinced this wasn't a work. The entire entertainment industry is built on fame; this would get people talking. And I don't even think it landed cleanly. Jimmy Caan is probably appalled by it missing.

And if we're talking about most laughable, Bret Stephens is a good bet on someone who's not necessarily acting in bad faith. If you're including bad-faith actors then the betting lines widen.

The fact that it was a slap and not a punch, certainly lends credence to this hypothesis for me.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:35 am

Pretty sure Judd Apatow already won most ridiculous, over-the-top reaction:

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The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:32 am Will Smith is a dork, Chris Rock is far more likeable but overall I don't really have an issue with The Slap. You don't get to be edgy or personal and then cry when someone reacts, which to Rock's credit he hasn't done.

It was so weird. I thought it was scripted at first, and it looked like Will Smith was laughing. He was absolutely laughing when Rock first made the joke, then he got the stink eye from Jada and then he was mad. When he was screaming, he looked like he was laughing at first. Whatever, fucking crazy moment. I feel bad for everyone who won awards being overshaddowed by this lunacy, but OTOH, do people even watch the Oscars anymore? I feel like the show has declined in importance and interest over the past 20 years, and with the state of the movie industry during the pandemic, I feel like movie attendance is obviously way down, and streaming shows has drawn away from people watching new movies. So, if this didn't happen and blow up the internet, would there even be much Oscar discussion?

I think it was Conan O'brien saying how prior to the 80s, the biggest movie stars wouldn't go on talk shows or make public appearances. The only time people ever saw them not in character was during the Oscars, and it was a huge deal to see them. Once they started appearing in interviews, it lost some of the magic. And now, they are all guests in hour+ podcasts or hosting their own and talking about their lives in full detail, not to mention posting their lives every day on social media, so seeing them at the Oscars is way less intimate than how we see movie stars every day, so it is meaningless.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am

There's a long jump from "Your look is reminiscent of a movie where a hot woman was bald" to "haha, you have a disease"

If they have history and you can tell me he's 100% going after her, then fine (but like, "find me after the show and hit me" fine - not "ruin the whole night for everyone" fine).

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:45 am

But she's bald not by choice but because of the disease, Ryan. That's not much of a jump.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:53 am

This is stupidly in the weeds and mostly beside the point but from what I read, she is that bald by choice.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:56 am

Not a work. You can tell it was not a work by Rock's looking off-stage just after to see if they want him to push on or go to a break. Clearly not a work.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:58 am

Also, and not that every joke should be parsed like this and you have to start parsing it like this you probably fucked up, but wasn't Demi Moore's look seen as pretty empowering at the time? I don't know, like I said if Rock knew the whole story and they're already enemies then he's on thin ice but that is, in itself, a harmless line about looking like a famous movie character.

Nobody, at least in that room, would have laughed in the first place if she had gained a ton of weight due to medication or something and he made a Precious joke. There are lines and you deserve to have them pointed out to you in a reasonable way.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:10 am

Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:53 am This is stupidly in the weeds and mostly beside the point but from what I read, she is that bald by choice.

Not to compare the illnesses, but so are chemo patients who preemptively shave their heads. She's not bald-ing by choice.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:12 am

Now I feel the need to see if Ayanna Pressley has weighed in.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:15 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:12 am Now I feel the need to see if Ayanna Pressley has weighed in.

She did and then deleted the tweet quickly thereafter.

https://news.yahoo.com/rep-ayanna-press ... 52983.html

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:26 am

This morning I put myself in Will Smith's shoes and tried to feel empathy.

As I've stated before in another thread, my wife was diagnosed with melanoma that spread to her lymph node. She's been undergoing immunotherapy treatment monthly and her last treatment is in a few weeks (Yay!). She hasn't lost her hair and her shitty side effects have been nausea and fatigue.

If a dude cracked a cancer joke at my wife's expense I'd be furious. Especially if the 'joke' was done in bad taste and with ill intent. But since I'm 1) in the military and 2) not rich, I cannot just walk up to said dude and slap the shit out of him in a room full of witnesses because I would get arrested and go to jail.

It seems like this reaction of his is propped up by a level of privilege I would never have and therefore can be seen as a justified way of defending his wife more than anything.

So, if Rock has bad blood with Will/Jada and did this to be an asshole built in public, he's a shithead, but it's absolutely a bigger shithead move to get violent over it.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:42 am

It's crazy that security didn't even flinch. I guess if Rock had gone back at Smith that would have been an incident.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:42 am

Assuming we all agree a joke about a dead kid would have justified that level of reaction (and therefore its not "you can't ever slap someone on television"), its really just a debate about which topics are over that line. If Rock isn't close enough to Smith to know a joke about this illness is ok, then I'm good with this being considered over the line.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:45 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:42 am Assuming we all agree a joke about a dead kid would have justified that level of reaction (and therefore its not "you can't ever slap someone on television"), its really just a debate about which topics are over that line. If Rock isn't close enough to Smith to know a joke about this illness is ok, then I'm good with this being considered over the line.

But Rock isn't the host, he doesn't need to crack jokes, he's just presenting. And he could have made a joke about anyone else in that crowd or he could have just gone up there and said how great documentaries are. So to me, it was targeted.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:49 am

My mind keeps going back to all the classic roasts from the 70s that are still on YouTube, where a bunch of Borscht Belt comics would be ripping into literally Wilt Chamberlain with him sitting 10 feet away.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:50 am

Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:49 am My mind keeps going back to all the classic roasts from the 70s that are still on YouTube, where a bunch of Borscht Belt comics would be ripping into literally Wilt Chamberlain with him sitting 10 feet away.

AKA definite slapping distance

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:51 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:45 amBut Rock isn't the host, he doesn't need to crack jokes, he's just presenting. And he could have made a joke about anyone else in that crowd or he could have just gone up there and said how great documentaries are. So to me, it was targeted.

Yup, and this wasn't a roast, it was an awards ceremony. And while I've seen other people say the same as Johnnie about Smith and the level of privilege it takes to think you can get away with a public assault, it goes both ways. I get that comedians have to push boundaries, but if that's not combined with self-policing you're just being an asshole who might get slapped in the face.

(The only good thing about this, besides "Will Smith slapped Chris Rock on live TV", is that it was two black dudes. Mel Gibson slaps Chris Rock or Will Smith slaps Adam Corolla and we're in a world of shit today.)