Super Bowl LVII

Post by **brian** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:19 pm

Kind of surprised to learn that this will be the first Super Bowl in history to feature two Black starting QBs.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:54 pm

Multi-level Brother v. Brother action!

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm

It's not surprising on the lack of black QBs in the Super Bowl based on the fact that for so long that the league, and frankly football in general, has been so retrograde with their thinking. If we go back, the first real superstar black QB in our memory (I'm assuming Vince Evans and Doug Williams either weren't superstars or their peaks were before our cognizance) was Warren Moon, and he was only the twentieth different black quarterback to start in the NFL, in 1984.

Post by **brian** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:38 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm It's not surprising on the lack of black QBs in the Super Bowl based on the fact that for so long that the league, and frankly football in general, has been so retrograde with their thinking. If we go back, the first real superstar black QB in our memory (I'm assuming Vince Evans and Doug Williams either weren't superstars or their peaks were before our cognizance) was Warren Moon, and he was only the twentieth different black quarterback to start in the NFL, in 1984.

Seems like it's been fairly normalized this century though, hence my surprise. Of course, Tom Brady has been the starting QB in like, what? About half of the Super Bowls this century?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:22 pm

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/355 ... ng-charges

So.. that's cool.

ETA 1 - Weird. I stayed in Cambridge OH on my drive out to Denver last year.

ETA 2 - As most of you guys probably know, he's only played in one game for the Eagles this year. (per ESPN)

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:16 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:22 pm https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/355 ... ng-charges

He'll look good in a Browns' uniform next season.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:52 pm

Here's the thing I don't get. If you knew about this, you don't sign him. If he didn't disclose, you cut him. Either way, he shouldn't be on a roster at 6:00 PM EST, right?

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:00 pm

The ESPN report says he’s on now the commissioner’s exempt list. Does this prevent the Eagles from cutting his ass? Be a that’s literally the only reason he shouldn’t have been cut yet.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:08 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm It's not surprising on the lack of black QBs in the Super Bowl based on the fact that for so long that the league, and frankly football in general, has been so retrograde with their thinking. If we go back, the first real superstar black QB in our memory (I'm assuming Vince Evans and Doug Williams either weren't superstars or their peaks were before our cognizance) was Warren Moon, and he was only the twentieth different black quarterback to start in the NFL, in 1984.

And Warren Moon had to go to the CFL for 6 years because the NFL teams were going to make him a free safety.

When I was a kid, the only black QB was James Harris for the Rams.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:28 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:08 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm It's not surprising on the lack of black QBs in the Super Bowl based on the fact that for so long that the league, and frankly football in general, has been so retrograde with their thinking. If we go back, the first real superstar black QB in our memory (I'm assuming Vince Evans and Doug Williams either weren't superstars or their peaks were before our cognizance) was Warren Moon, and he was only the twentieth different black quarterback to start in the NFL, in 1984.
And Warren Moon had to go to the CFL for 6 years because the NFL teams were going to make him a free safety.

When I was a kid, the only black QB was James Harris for the Rams.

Podcast I was listening to the other morning pointed to a challenge for getting black head coaches can be tied to many of them not being QB Coaches. RB, CB, WR, etc are not common paths to offensive coordinator jobs. That being said, looks like the Ravens have given interviews to their internal WR, TE, and QB coach (along with external candidates who are not OCs and QB coaches).

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:28 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:08 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm It's not surprising on the lack of black QBs in the Super Bowl based on the fact that for so long that the league, and frankly football in general, has been so retrograde with their thinking. If we go back, the first real superstar black QB in our memory (I'm assuming Vince Evans and Doug Williams either weren't superstars or their peaks were before our cognizance) was Warren Moon, and he was only the twentieth different black quarterback to start in the NFL, in 1984.
And Warren Moon had to go to the CFL for 6 years because the NFL teams were going to make him a free safety.

When I was a kid, the only black QB was James Harris for the Rams.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:29 pm

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:38 pm

It looks like the spike for the black QBs who threw at least one pass attempt spiked in 1987 primarily due to replacement games.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm

who threw a pass in 1932??

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:44 pm

Also, is the graph non considering AFL teams pre-merger, or were Lamar Hunt and co. as backward thinking as their NFL brethren in the 1960s?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:05 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm who threw a pass in 1932??

(52)

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:12 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:05 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm who threw a pass in 1932??
(52)

Some guy named Thrower.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:37 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm who threw a pass in 1932??

That’s got to be a bust. I think it is widely known that Marlon Briscoe of the Denver Broncos was the first black starting quarterback, in 1968.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:45 pm

Maybe he passed? At the time.

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:20 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm who threw a pass in 1932??

It must be Joe Lillard.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:49 pm

Reaper wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:20 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm who threw a pass in 1932??
It must be Joe Lillard.

That’s a great find, Reaper! It’s a shame we’ve never even heard of this guy.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:58 pm

Hmm but he was a running back.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:30 am

sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:49 pm
Reaper wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:20 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:41 pm who threw a pass in 1932??
It must be Joe Lillard.
That’s a great find, Reaper! It’s a shame we’ve never even heard of this guy.

Look who's playing coy. You saw him play, sc, admit it!

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:39 am

Every first down, he'd pull out his pocket watch and point at it

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:00 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:58 pm Hmm but he was a running back.

From the article...

Lillard played in 18 of 21 games for the Cardinals in 1932 and 1933, rushing for 494 yards at nearly 10 a clip, and throwing for 372 yards, but the team's overall record was an abysmal 3-15-3.

The Ray Kemp mentioned in the article is listed on Wikipedia as having played tackle and being one of two black players in the league (black players were banned after the 1933 season), so Lillard seems like the correct answer.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:41 pm

I think this is a good idea:

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:49 pm

Absolutely.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:04 am

Just a wild stat that I just saw. The Chiefs had 2850 yards worth of YAC this year, as they attacked more on shorter throws with the loss of Hill. While that's 17 games worth, that would have (for example) finished 15th most yards passing by a player in the 2000 season, slotted between Jake Plummer's 2946 and Steve McNair's 2847. Just a wild stat to show how much the game has changed that subtracting air yards from the Chiefs' total would yield an average passing season from the turn of the millennium.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:16 pm

So glad I live south of the madness.

The Waste Management Open is this week too. Going to be batshit in the valley.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:33 pm

Not being snarky, but I feel like that tournament is always super bowl weekend, no?

IOW, I'm asking the question, not saying something like "you should already know that." If that makes sense.

And I guess my lazy ass could google it.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:37 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:33 pm Not being snarky, but I feel like that tournament is always super bowl weekend, no?

IOW, I'm asking the question, not saying something like "you should already know that." If that makes sense.

And I guess my lazy ass could google it.

But the super bowl isn't always in Phoenix.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:40 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:37 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:33 pm Not being snarky, but I feel like that tournament is always super bowl weekend, no?

IOW, I'm asking the question, not saying something like "you should already know that." If that makes sense.

And I guess my lazy ass could google it.
But the super bowl isn't always in Phoenix.

Right, of course... My point was more, that when in it winds up there, it's ALWAYS a shitshow for Phoenix.

wiki says: Since 1973,[8] the Phoenix Open has been played on the weekend of the Super Bowl. In 1976, coverage of the tournament's final round was joined in progress immediately after CBS's coverage of Super Bowl X.[9] In 1996, it was played Wednesday through Saturday, as Super Bowl XXX was held at Sun Devil Stadium in nearby Tempe.[10] In 2009, the tournament overlapped with Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa, Florida, when Kenny Perry and Charley Hoffman went to a playoff. That denied the spectators a chance to watch the beginning of the game on NBC, which featured the local Arizona Cardinals.

Because of the Super Bowl weekend status, the PGA Tour's television contracts with CBS and NBC include an alternating tournament. Usually a CBS tournament, the Phoenix Open airs on NBC when CBS has the Super Bowl, and NBC's Honda Classic airs on CBS in Winter Olympic years.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:53 pm

Well, I don't follow golf and have been living in Arizona only full time since July 2021 -- 9 years after I had left previously.

So if it overlapped with the Super Bowl all these years, cool. It's just that, as AB noted, the Super Bowl isn't always in Arizona and thus, I would've never really put that all together.

If the madness happened in 2008 and 2015 prior to this, I was totally ignorant to it -- especially since in 2015 I was in Germany.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:06 pm

Right, totally understood. When you posted that it was happening, it just sparked the question in my head.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:36 pm

If there was any worry the SB has lost its luster, my 80 year old MIL knows about the Kelce bros.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:44 pm

My bets are in - go Chiefs!

(As well as a whole bunch of props in one pool as well as a number of squares. Something so strange about cheering for punting yards...)

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:17 am

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:25 pm

Patiently waiting some DSafe inside info re: National Anthem

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:41 pm

The Onion's Guide To The Super Bowl

Vintage work!

Key Positional Battle - Kickers...

Jake Elliott: Huge fucking toes. EDGE: Eagles.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 2:54 pm

Reaper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:25 pm Patiently waiting some DSafe inside info re: National Anthem

I will start building a time machine so I can go back a little under 2 1/2 years so I can accept the job offer when the other production company took over the show. I didn't have any interest in going to Tampa in the "pandemic yes, vaccine no" portion of things.