The Swamp

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 7:15 pm Jesus Fucking Christ that guy.

rass wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 7:44 pm oh man fuck off with this I’m not ready

mister d wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 8:10 pm Someone used the phrase “negative charisma” and that seems pretty perfect.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 8:10 pm Someone used the phrase “negative charisma” and that seems pretty perfect.

brian wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:22 pm It’s fucking dumb that I’m (we’re?) in the uncomfortable position of hoping Trump stays alive long enough to take the GOP nomination.

Feels like the worst case is his shitty ass dying and letting a fascist knob like DeSantis win the nomination.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:40 pm

brian wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:22 pm It’s fucking dumb that I’m (we’re?) in the uncomfortable position of hoping Trump stays alive long enough to take the GOP nomination.

Feels like the worst case is his shitty ass dying and letting a fascist knob like DeSantis win the nomination.

I think the best case scenario would be Trump pounding DeSantis into the dirt, and then getting a heart attack and dying, or getting a felony conviction and having it ruin him.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:20 pm He needs to convince a very small percentage of people in a few states that they’re worse off now than four years ago. Trouncing someone equally (but differently) awful like DeSantis will only make him more palatable.

The attempt to draw attention to DeSantis’ awkward public presence by claiming that the GOP presidential hopeful is “a little bit on the spectrum,” as Trump hatchet man Steve Bannon first put it last week.

It’s not that Benham thinks such a diagnosis would be disqualifying. Rather, she’s troubled by the act of armchair diagnosis as a way of knocking someone. The implication is that the status of being on the spectrum is problematic or shameful or bad — and, at any rate, something intentionally kept secret.

“It’s frankly none of our business until he tells us one way or the other,” she tells me. “But if you want to delegitimize someone as a politician, certainly leaning into those stereotypes that people have about autistic folks is one way to do it. And that’s what’s happening here.”

No kidding. In short order, Bannon’s comment, which used the pseudo-diagnosis to explain DeSantis’ disastrous Twitter campaign rollout alongside Elon Musk, was echoed across the MAGA ecosystem. “Ron DeSantis is 100% on the spectrum,” tweeted the pro-Trump activist Laura Loomer. “Can we finally talk about this?” Grace Chong, the CFO of Bannon’s War Room podcast, called him “DeSpectrum” in one tweet, and in another one contrasted him unfavorably with the former president: “Trump does it BIGGER, BETTER, and with HEART. Unlike that guy on the spectrum.”

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 am The greatest military general in American history (adjusting for era) and as President he fought the Klan tooth and nail, yet they never include him because they don't want to piss off the South.

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:42 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 am The greatest military general in American history (adjusting for era) and as President he fought the Klan tooth and nail, yet they never include him because they don't want to piss off the South.

I initially thought you were talking about Eisenhower here.

Notice that he's never talked about either...

tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:55 am I thought Grant was a good president, no? Tried like hell to hold off Jim Crow stuff -sent troops to the south to tamp down white rioting etc?

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:43 am

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:42 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:18 am The greatest military general in American history (adjusting for era) and as President he fought the Klan tooth and nail, yet they never include him because they don't want to piss off the South.

I initially thought you were talking about Eisenhower here.

Notice that he's never talked about either...

Ike backed the Little Rock Nine. He's out.

Teddy Roosevelt? Or is his protection of natural lands now considered too woke?

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:03 pm Grant was in a tough situation (following a dipshit like Johnson in that climate is a rough draw) and overall I'm a fan.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:05 pmTeddy is wayyyy too big government for the GOP. You can argue he even surpassed FDR when adjusting for era.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:23 pm The Dems should trade Jackson and Wilson for Lincoln and Grant.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:23 pm The Dems should trade Jackson and Wilson for Lincoln and Grant.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:20 pmThe GOP would never take Wilson, no matter how many indigenous that Jackson wiped out. They despise him.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:01 am I listened to Ron DeSantis on Piers Morgan's podcast

He enlisted in the Navy after graduating from Yale/Harvard and after 9/11 and then became their legal advisor.

Ron DeSantis was a 27-year-old Navy lawyer fresh out of Harvard Law School when he arrived in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, amid an escalating crisis at the U.S. military base.

Hundreds of “enemy combatants,” held without charges, had gone on hunger strikes. As pressure grew to end the protests, DeSantis later said, he was part of a team of military lawyers asked what could be done.

“How do I combat this?” a commanding officer asked in 2006, as DeSantis recalled in an interview he gave years later to a local CBS television station.

“Hey, you actually can force-feed,” DeSantis said he responded in his role as a legal adviser. “Here’s what you can do. Here’s kind of the rules for that.”

Mansoor Adayfi, a Yemeni citizen who was held for 14 years on the US Naval base in Cuba, told The Independent in an extraordinary interview that he was brutally force-fed by camp staff during a hunger strike in 2006, and that Mr DeSantis was present for at least one of those sessions.

The United Nations has characterised the force-feeding of hunger strikers at Guantanamo Bay as torture. The US government has denied that the practice amounts to torture, and it has been used against prisoners over successive administrations during hunger strikes.

Mr DeSantis was stationed on the base between March 2006 and January 2007, according to his military records.