NCAA FB 2023

[DSafetyGuy]

I think Chip Kelly's comments about separating out football from all other sports is getting a very necessary "next up" conversation going.

What the B1G is doing w their schedule... The reality of just how idiotic that set up is going to be... Is also forcing the issue.

The ACC has kicked around using Dallas as some sort of neutral site for non-revenue sports since SMU is there and Cal and Stanford have to travel, as well. Smooth brains everywhere.

[Nonlinear FC]

I'm sure you guys are aware, but just in case, the FSU has filed a legal challenge against the ACC.

Lawyers for the Seminoles estimate that the current cost of paying the ACC’s exit fee in addition to the forfeiture of media rights revenue would cost the school $572 million, according to a copy of the complaint obtained by The Athletic. They believe that the severity of the penalty to withdraw from the league should be considered “unreasonable restraints of trade” or unenforceable. They also allege in the filing that the ACC materially breached its contracts with Florida State by failing to properly exploit its media rights value, by extending the league’s contract with ESPN in disadvantageous ways without required input from schools and by adding three new members to the ACC (Stanford, Cal and SMU) that do not add value to the conference.

From The Athletic.

[HaulCitgo]

So what changed in that legal agreement in the last couple weeks? Just flushing years and years of litigation fees. Theres no way the acc backs down on this short of multiple appeals or a check in the amount that fsu would have to mortgage their school buildings to acquire. If I'm wanting to invest hundreds of millions of breakage fees some banker will want assurance that the money to pay me back won't be owed to the ACC. So I need a final court order. Is a decade too long to get that?

https://news.fsu.edu/wp-content/uploads ... aint-4.pdf

Let's start with jurisdictional issues. I think those need to be appealed first.

[DSafetyGuy]

Seems like "your signature is right here" will be uttered.

[sancarlos]

Dsafe.. Thoughts on McCord?

I happen to think that dude is pretty damn good and an insane fan base just booted a future NFL-caliber QB out of town. (I think, to be fair, he also didn't feel like competing with a couple of 5 star level players next season when his time to put stuff on tape is running out.)

There was an article in the Columbus Dispatch that boiled down his decision to transfer in that McCord wanted the athletic department to get him more NIL, he wanted to be guaranteed the starting job (Day wouldn't and the article also cited they didn't have a great relationship in part because Day likes a more "fiery" leadership style from his QB), and there is some residual anger there from when they played him in a meaningless fifth game his freshman season and ate up his redshirt year.

There has reportedly been some significant increase in NIL donations at Syracuse in the last couple months (an official group through the university helped, as did several large donations when they fired Babers), but I don't know how that will work out for McCord other than I'm sure he got paid. I'm also sure he got promised the starting job next year, which was an obvious move. The starter has used his eligibility (and played the last three games with a shoulder tear he has since gotten surgery on) and the backup threw six picks in 51 attempts. They had to bring in someone for next year.

I don't know if McCord really understands the level of offensive line play at Syracuse the last several seasons. Playing here requires a level of athleticism from quarterbacks that is grounded in a need for self-preservation. Their first week depth chart the season had three transfers on the offensive line, two of whom having never taken a D-I snap. One of them, a grad transfer from Richmond, missed most of the season with an injury, and another tore an ACL early in the season. It ain't good. I don't care if tOSU's offensive line had a "bad year", it was better than what McCord will be working with.

The bowl game is Thursday night and I imagine they'll use the offense they did the final three games of the season. They used a backup tight end (former Michigan QB Dan Villari, who transferred to SU and switched to TE) for a lot of snaps and also went with Wildcat for their running back. They operated a small number of plays, including a very limited passing repertoire. Villari was 14-of-14 against Georgia Tech... for 59 yards.

The new coach at Syracuse, Fran Brown, is from New Jersey and was the DB coach at Georgia. He is using all his connections to get coaches and players right away, as in addition to McCord (from New Jersey), they've also brought in other transfers - two WRs from Georgia and an edge rusher from West Virginia (from New Jersey) as transfers. His DC is a childhood friend who was a d-line coach at aTm. They're trying to get a transfer DE from aTm, as well as his brother, who is in the current high school class. They are from, that's right, New Jersey.

If that bowl game is anything to go by, Syracuse really needs those transfers immediately.

[DSafetyGuy]

If that bowl game is anything to go by, Syracuse really needs those transfers immediately.

I would say the bowl game was a result of two factors:
- When you know a team is going to run that extremely heavy run-based offense based on a tight end taking snaps, direct snaps to the running back, and a third-string freshman QB getting worked in with three games of tape of same (Syracuse surprised Pitt with it, never threatened Georgia Tech, and and managed to get past Wake Forest with their regular quarterback throwing a few passes - he has since had surgery on his shoulder), it is pretty easy to stop.
- USF was 1-11 last year and finishing with a winning record this year looked extremely important to them. They were wired from the jump.

ETA: Syracuse was by no means world-beaters this season, but winning two of three to get to a bowl with that offense was good enough on its own that I don't care what happened in the bowl.

[sancarlos]

Seems like a lot of these bowl outcomes are maybe being affected by players opting out/players transferring/coaching changes.

[EnochRoot]

Not even four minutes into the FSU/Georgia game and I want to toss a grenade at the FSU band. That nonsense makes me miss Seven Nation Army.

[brian]

Pretty clear the committee made the right choice re: Florida State.

[sancarlos]

I feel sorry for those bettors who had taken Florida State +59.

[govmentchedda]

Pretty clear the committee made the right choice re: Florida State.

I made money on FSU losing. I love the schaudenfreude I feel with them losing. This take is 100% uninformed though.



^THIS^ doesn't happen if the Noles are in the playoff. Georgia probably still beats them because Georgia is probably still the most talented team in the country, but tonight's result is in no way proof that the committee made the right choice.

*I can't believe I'm posting in defense of both FSU and Georgia.

[Johnnie]

They were giving away free tickets on base these past 2 weeks to today's Arizona Bowl. I'm glad I passed on it. There are far too many bowl games.

[HaulCitgo]

Needless to say Liberty is amped. Fsu sucks these guys is thr reason for expansion

[Johnnie]

Nothing says "citrus" quite like cheese.

[HaulCitgo]

Liberty guys jumping off the screen with size and speed. LB just chased down a 5'9" 170 Oregon kid from Alabama. Play before some guy tried to end him on a routine play. These Christian guys onto something. Gotta believe it won't last 4 quarters but there's a road map here

[rass]

citgo can’t be the only one who thinks if the evangelical Christians wanted to they could put together a team and dominate the Vrbo Fiesta Bowl*.

[govmentchedda]

Count on Liberty being group of 5 (i.e. FB version of BB mid-major) great for a long time. They're funding the football program at like 3-5x what the rest of their conference foes do. That's still a drop in the bucket compared to Oregon, but assuming the 12 team playoff still keeps a spot for a G5 school, they're going to be there a lot.

[HaulCitgo]

We saw you say cheese its. Probably that too but I like Tennessee as the original Clemson. Who has seen the mountaintop and is destined to its rightful place at the bottom of the sec. Good riddance to both. I say get over yourself and merge with the big 12 and east and west and snazzy new name. And liberty if you really like football

[A_B]

Count on Liberty being group of 5 (i.e. FB version of BB mid-major) great for a long time. They're funding the football program at like 3-5x what the rest of their conference foes do. That's still a drop in the bucket compared to Oregon, but assuming the 12 team playoff still keeps a spot for a G5 school, they're going to be there a lot.

Just as long as they can keep finding celibate talent!

[DSafetyGuy]

Getting baptized now.

[Giff]

Why do I feel like nonlinear is still looking for parking?

[sancarlos]

Getting baptized now.

Yeah, Liberty found out that they aren’t quite on the same level as the big boys.

[tennbengal]

Mich/Alabama has been a fantastic game so far (posted just into start of second half with Mich up 13-10)

[A_B]

Getting baptized now.

Yeah, Liberty found out that they aren’t quite on the same level as the big boys.

The speed difference is what caught my eye.

[degenerasian]

Mich/Alabama has been a fantastic game so far (posted just into start of second half with Mich up 13-10)

That was almost a safety to end the game!

[tennbengal]

Mich/Alabama has been a fantastic game so far (posted just into start of second half with Mich up 13-10)

That was almost a safety to end the game!

helluva job by the UM player to get on that after the muff and not fumble on the hit. OT now.

[tennbengal]

what great damn game that was. UM moves on.

Congrats nonlinerar!

[tennbengal]

And now Texas / Washington is starting off like its gonna be a barn-burner too. 14-14 midway through 2nd quarter. Two good semi final games rather than two abominations? Delightful turn of events.

[tennbengal]

Everytime I see Michael Penix play qb I marvel that 3 qbs are considered ahead of him for draft purposes. he throws such a damn fine ball.

[Johnnie]

Everytime I see Michael Penix play qb I marvel that 3 qbs are considered ahead of him for draft purposes. he throws such a damn fine ball.

Big Penix Energy! /Desmond Howard'd

[L-Jam3]

It’s a rare call, I only see it a few times a year. But the rule that if any part of the QBs body is behind the LOS makes it a legal pass seems to need more bright line. So Michael Penix threw it for a first down just now, with both his feet past the LOS, but his arm was behind it, so it was a legal throw. Don’t want to take anything away from him, but if they made the rule that one foot or even both feet need to be behind the line, it feels like it’d be easier for the refs to call.

Of course, I used to do long jump in high school, so maybe I’m a little touchy about foot fouls.

[brian]

It’s 11 pm on the East Coast and the Sugar Bowl/CFP semi is still only at halftime. They really need to schedule these games better if they want non-vampires/casual fans to watch the whole game.

[wlu_lax6]

Good idea playing the West Coast game in the early slot and the New Orleans one as the late start. I get it is the rose bowl and what not.

[degenerasian]

Everytime I see Michael Penix play qb I marvel that 3 qbs are considered ahead of him for draft purposes. he throws such a damn fine ball.

He would look good in Seahawk colors. They don't have a 2nd though.

[Giff]

2010 me would be so mad right now.

[EnochRoot]

Everytime I see Michael Penix play qb I marvel that 3 qbs are considered ahead of him for draft purposes. he throws such a damn fine ball.

He would look good in Seahawk colors. They don't have a 2nd though.

IMO the Bucs would be insane not to draft this kid wherever they are in the late teens of the 1st round.

[govmentchedda]

Everytime I see Michael Penix play qb I marvel that 3 qbs are considered ahead of him for draft purposes. he throws such a damn fine ball.

He would look good in Seahawk colors. They don't have a 2nd though.

IMO the Bucs would be insane not to draft this kid wherever they are in the late teens of the 1st round.

Tampa native would be a hero there. I think the Bucs like Baker a lot though.

[EnochRoot]

Everytime I see Michael Penix play qb I marvel that 3 qbs are considered ahead of him for draft purposes. he throws such a damn fine ball.

He would look good in Seahawk colors. They don't have a 2nd though.

IMO the Bucs would be insane not to draft this kid wherever they are in the late teens of the 1st round.

Tampa native would be a hero there. I think the Bucs like Baker a lot though.

Nothing like drafting in the middle of the first round for the foreseeable future.

[A_B]

It’s 11 pm on the East Coast and the Sugar Bowl/CFP semi is still only at halftime. They really need to schedule these games better if they want non-vampires/casual fans to watch the whole game.

We had friends over to watch the Rose Bowl Game (TM) and a coupe stayed till almost 11 and yeah. No way was I making it through that one. Woke up for a drink of water and checked the score. I am better off this way.

[tennbengal]

Made it to halftime - apparently missed a helluva second half.

Team Penix in the draft - whoever gets him is gonna be happy.