2023-2024 NHL Season

[A_B]

They had to do it... before the dad's trip.

Bedard has the chance to do the funniest thing ever.

But, Corey Perry’s dad won’t be on the trip.

Yeah I don't always think the jokes through.

[DSafetyGuy]

Am I right to think of the Patrick Kane signing as, "no expectations, but this hopefully works out well"?

[govmentchedda]

Am I right to think of the Patrick Kane signing as, "no expectations, but this hopefully works out well"?

Definitely, and I'm thinking it won't go well.

[mister d]

He had 18 points in 26 games from NYR, but he looked sooooooo washed. Basically a perimeter player at evens who could still pass but couldn't move and was like playing 5v4 on defense. Also a true shit of a person. I'm kinda surprised Drury allowed for that ridiculous deadline cost to sink rather than give him another year to try and give the appearance of salvaging something.

[sancarlos]

Who knows? If he’s got much left in the tank, it could give the Wings some juice.

But, I have to think Detroit wasn’t what he had in mind when free agency started.

[L-Jam3]

Flags obviously fly forever, but man, what a rotten organization.

[DSafetyGuy]

Yeah, I've been thinking Kane is probably a signing to keep the power play going well (currently 9th in the league after a great start) and having another forward in the mix as the inevitable bumps and bruises start to come. The Wings were mentioned early among the potential landing spots (I didn't think it would happen), but their play thus far probably made the move more appealing to both sides.

[mister d]

Unrelated, you wonder if NHL teams will ever start using specialists. Like right now you'll see 4th liners that play well under 10:00 per night, but what about guys who only exist for like PP/shootout/trailing situations or PK/shutdown situations.

[wlu_lax6]

Unrelated, you wonder if NHL teams will ever start using specialists. Like right now you'll see 4th liners that play well under 10:00 per night, but what about guys who only exist for like PP/shootout/trailing situations or PK/shutdown situations.

You mean powerplay Ovi in 3 years if he does not break Gretzky's record.

or

Mick Vecota's NHL Career

[sancarlos]

Unrelated, you wonder if NHL teams will ever start using specialists. Like right now you'll see 4th liners that play well under 10:00 per night, but what about guys who only exist for like PP/shootout/trailing situations or PK/shutdown situations.

There's been several defensemen over the years who couldn't play defense but were great on the PP, so they became de-facto specialists. Tyson Barrie comes to mind nowadays.

[mister d]

Right, but Barrie still played real (top 4) minutes, he just sucked in them. I’m talking about a guy who, without injury or PP or outlier scoring, might sit the 1st period because it’s not his situation.

[MaxWebster]

i'm gonna have to look this up but i swear the Sabres had a little guy JP Sauve in the early 80s as literally that: a power play specialist. barely played 5 on 5 or at least....not often.

[Nonlinear FC]

Interesting. So, I think you would call old school goons specialists, who often were on the 4th line or 3rd D line and saw limited minutes.

And while we're talking about Ovi, he played the least amount of minutes of his career in LA last night. The Caps didn't have any powerplays and he's had a few games over 5 minutes in a game. He is averaging about 15 minutes per game and had over 13, so it kind of makes sense.

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And I remain truly baffled that the Caps continue to win games despite: Having the worst PP in the league, getting outshot by a wide margin in every game, which naturally means they are also deeply in the negative on "dangerous chances" compared to their opponents.

I'll go back to a word I usually use in the political threads. This shit is not sustainable.

[Steve of phpBB]

It's all ok now, he's sorry and getting treatment.

[mister d]

Really don't like the idea of Corey Perry as a sympathetic character.

[sancarlos]

I wonder if this is another case of blaming alcohol for the fact that you are an asshole.

[mister d]

Could be, but also could be a CC Sabathia case except he initially refused treatment?

[MaxWebster]

correcting my typo - it's JF Sauve - and yeah i was right in that he was a PP guy but i mis-remembered that his PP-only time was mostly when he got traded to Quebec. 28 of his 41 goals for the Nords were on the PP! pretty sure he was even on the cover of Hockey News on an article touching on this very thing.

...found this to back up the Quebec part:

- JF Sauve of the Quebec Nordiques. Supremely skilled 5'6" scorer who lit up the QMJHL in the late 1970s and played for the Nordiques in the mid-1980s. Played the PP with the likes of Stastny and Goulet, but pretty much sat on the bench otherwise. In 1985-86, he scored 56 points almost without touching the ice 5-on-5 ... was on the ice for 74 Quebec goals that year, 64 of which (86%) were on the powerplay.

i'm gonna have to look this up but i swear the Sabres had a little guy JF Sauve in the early 80s as literally that: a power play specialist. barely played 5 on 5 or at least....not often.

[sancarlos]

Yeah, that’s a real specialist.
Some old guys player fewer and fewer 5x5 minutes but still first PP minutes, as they get older. Thinking of guys like Gonchar, Shattenkirk, Liles, Green…

[mister d]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Like have three lines, three D pairs and then maybe a defensive specialist forward, a PP forward and PP defenseman making up the old 4th line.

[mister d]

Goalie goal!!!

[MaxWebster]

ok i swear last one - here it was and i can't believe i forgot Pelle Eklund, i loved that Flyers team

correcting my typo - it's JF Sauve - and yeah i was right in that he was a PP guy but i mis-remembered that his PP-only time was mostly when he got traded to Quebec. 28 of his 41 goals for the Nords were on the PP! pretty sure he was even on the cover of Hockey News on an article touching on this very thing.

...found this to back up the Quebec part:

- JF Sauve of the Quebec Nordiques. Supremely skilled 5'6" scorer who lit up the QMJHL in the late 1970s and played for the Nordiques in the mid-1980s. Played the PP with the likes of Stastny and Goulet, but pretty much sat on the bench otherwise. In 1985-86, he scored 56 points almost without touching the ice 5-on-5 ... was on the ice for 74 Quebec goals that year, 64 of which (86%) were on the powerplay.

i'm gonna have to look this up but i swear the Sabres had a little guy JF Sauve in the early 80s as literally that: a power play specialist. barely played 5 on 5 or at least....not often.

[Ryan]

Goalie goal!!!

Based on very fractional memories, that seems like by far the least amount of prep time to get off a shot. He one-timed it compared to Ullmark’s

[wlu_lax6]

Goalie goal!!!

Based on very fractional memories, that seems like by far the least amount of prep time to get off a shot. He one-timed it compared to Ullmark’s

You would think with how good goalies are, how many NHL games end up with a goalie pulled, that more than 14 goalies would have a goal and that the career leader would be higher than 3 (2 in the regular season, 1 playoff for Marty B. Hextall has 1 regular season, 1 playoff). But only 1 of Marty B's was a shot on goal. The other 2 were own goals where he got credit. Similarly no team has more than 1 goalie goal scorer.

Kind of a fun table to play with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... oaltenders

[Nonlinear FC]

I mean, not to man-splain to a bunch of guys that know the game, but a goalie going for it is not a great play in terms of what you're trying to do to kill off a game.

[rass]

Pens current backup Alex Nedeljkovic has the AHL record with two goalie goals.

[govmentchedda]

Not surprised this happened against the Bolts. Cooper seems to pull his goalie quicker than most.

Also, re Corey Perry, really hoping it's a Sabathia situation. Most of his shithousery was done in the Western conference, so I don't have the same inherent anti-worm feelings as everyone else. He seemed like a good teammate here and well liked by the squad.

Losing the SCF three years in a row on three different teams can cause a man to do anything.

[L-Jam3]

I mean, not to man-splain to a bunch of guys that know the game, but a goalie going for it is not a great play in terms of what you're trying to do to kill off a game.

Right? I was thinking that. It just seems like too much of a risk of an icing call.

Having said that, Ron Hextall scoring twice by actually shooting it into the net is the Ron Hextall experience in a nutshell.

[wlu_lax6]

I mean, not to man-splain to a bunch of guys that know the game, but a goalie going for it is not a great play in terms of what you're trying to do to kill off a game.

As opposed to freezing the puck or a goalie dumping it in the d-zone. I mean I get it is not as low risk as shooting on goal in 10 man lacrosse ride, but 14..and some of the gaps are like 7 years between them. Just super small.

[mister d]

Given the coin flip nature of the faceoff and the massive value of another goal, I'd think shooting for net (non-goalies) would be a much smarter play than its treated as assuming the defensive players haven't been on the ice that long.

[Nonlinear FC]

That would be an interesting situation for someone with fancystat capabilities to run. Factoring in how long the D has been out is pretty big part of the equation.

[Nonlinear FC]

[Nonlinear FC]

I don't understand why they have that first clip, which is an own goal.

ETA - Nevermind... Smith goal is because he's the last NYI player to touch the puck.

ETA2 - I didn't count them up, but at least 4 or 5 of these are OGs.

[wlu_lax6]

I don't understand why they have that first clip, which is an own goal.

ETA - Nevermind... Smith goal is because he's the last NYI player to touch the puck.

ETA2 - I didn't count them up, but at least 4 or 5 of these are OGs.

Per the wikipedia link above 7 SOG and 7 OGs make up the 14 goalie goals.

[sancarlos]

Given the coin flip nature of the faceoff and the massive value of another goal, I'd think shooting for net (non-goalies) would be a much smarter play than its treated as assuming the defensive players haven't been on the ice that long.

The Sharks’ announcers were just discussing the other night how NHL strategy has changed/evolved in recent years. Used to be that you didn’t risk an icing in the no-goalie situation, but nowadays teams regularly take long shots at an empty net goal.

[Nonlinear FC]

And there you have it... Good call Mr D and wlu. Because, yeah, old school doesn't take shots at the empty net, but I can certainly see where it's decent strategy from a risk / reward standpoint.

Kind of like it used to be rare to pull your goalie anywhere over 90 seconds, and now you see coaches going that route with 2, sometimes 3 minutes left.

[sancarlos]

In their first ten road games this season, the Sharks only scored a total of six goals. Tonight in New Jersey, they scored six goals.

[mister d]

So there’s only been 7 direct shots in? I would have been waaaaaaay off.

[wlu_lax6]

So not NHL but caps draft pick got a le'goalie goal (he is French). Own goal though.

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2 ... ame-night/

[degenerasian]

Always shoot at the empty net. First, even if it's icing you waste a few seconds. Then you can rest when the linesman is skating back and getting everyone to line up for the face off. Big reward for very little risk. You probably fuck up more trying to finesse it out of the zone and turn it over or shoot it over the glass.