The Swamp

So with Kuzy in the rehab program and Backstrom on Long Term injury reserve, the Caps' salary cap has gotten flexible. Interesting to see if they are the destination for expiring contracts in deals. Hope they don't get goofy and become a buyer for a playoff run. This is not the year.

Should be a raelly long suspension but I’m sure it’ll be a game or fine.

Agreed. And the Leafs coach said a cross check to the face is “appropriate” response to breaking a stupid unwritten rule.

Hockey has a culture problem.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:15 pm Agreed. And the Leafs coach said a cross check to the face is “appropriate” response to breaking a stupid unwritten rule.

Hockey has a culture problem.

You can't blast the puck into an empty net, that's taunting.

Imagine if Ducks-era Corey Perry did that to Sharks. Should the Sharks just accept it?

You can’t fucking hit a guy (high) because you’re mad how he scored a goal. Like can I say “if someone cheapshots your 21 year old teammate you get to Matt Cooke him”? JFC man.

(Whoever tied up Tavares should have dropped the gloves and proved that point.)

These are hockey players, they know this. Must be more history for Grieg to shoot the puck like that. I don't watch enough of the Ontario rivals.

Just imagine your most hated player doing that to your team. If Grieg wasn't expecting some kind of reaction for that, he's an idiot
Both things can be true. Reilly will be suspension how ever many games and the Leafs will deem it appropriate and take it every time.

Can you give me a list of checks that clean after goals?

(Also it’s RIElly, hence my super good joke!)

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:20 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:15 pm Agreed. And the Leafs coach said a cross check to the face is “appropriate” response to breaking a stupid unwritten rule.

Hockey has a culture problem.

You can't blast the puck into an empty net, that's taunting.

Imagine if Ducks-era Corey Perry did that to Sharks. Should the Sharks just accept it?

Not that I want to hold up the NFL as an avatar of decency, but when taunting occurs, they penalize 15 yards. They don’t swing their helmet at the opponent’s face (or whatever is the football equivalent of a cross check to the face.)

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:34 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:20 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:15 pm Agreed. And the Leafs coach said a cross check to the face is “appropriate” response to breaking a stupid unwritten rule.

Hockey has a culture problem.

You can't blast the puck into an empty net, that's taunting.

Imagine if Ducks-era Corey Perry did that to Sharks. Should the Sharks just accept it?

Not that I want to hold up the NFL as an avatar of decency, but when taunting occurs, they penalize 15 yards. They don’t swing their helmet at the opponent’s face (or whatever is the football equivalent of a cross check to the face.)

I agree. Because NFL players know that the refs protect them which in the NHL they do not. Half the suspensions in the NHL the refs didnt even call a penalty on the play. NFL taunting penalties are also kind of harmless, mostly trash talking.

There's even a victory formation in the NFL, not running more plays or taunting or taking a slap shot into an empty net.

The better example is the NBA. Shoving and fights do break out after hard fouls and taunting. This would be the equivalent of dunking up by 10 with seconds left. The NBA usually let's the clock run out if the trailing team no longer want to foul.

You don’t get “protected” from taunting.

mister d wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:44 pm You don’t get “protected” from taunting.

Then why is there a penalty? To prevent fights.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:40 pm.
There's even a victory formation in the NFL, not running more plays or taunting or taking a slap shot into an empty net.

And, when the Saints ran a play to score an unsportsmanlike touchdown from victory formation, the only Falcon who lost his shit was the coach, not the players.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:47 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:40 pm.
There's even a victory formation in the NFL, not running more plays or taunting or taking a slap shot into an empty net.

And, when the Saints ran a play to score an unsportsmanlike touchdown from victory formation, the only Falcon who lost his shit was the coach, not the players.

Players had checked out. And it was for a bonus. Would have liked to see the reaction to that in week 10.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:45 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:44 pm You don’t get “protected” from taunting.

Then why is there a penalty? To prevent fights.

That wasn’t a fight.

It’s getting late so I can’t keep the Jose Bautista playoff game in my back pocket … is it bad Beltre didn’t light him up at 3B?

mister d wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:57 pm It’s getting late so I can’t keep the Jose Bautista playoff game in my back pocket … is it bad Beltre didn’t light him up at 3B?

They threw at him and punched him in the face the following season.

Would that be better solution here? They stalk the guy next game?

I say 2 games. The hotdogging will be a factor. Plus Rielly has no record and he's a Maple Leaf. And is Grieg injured?

Earlier this year, Rasmus Andersson of the Flames got 4 games for hitting Laine with 3 seconds left to prevent him from shooting at the empty net. Laine missed time so that was a factor.

Did you just compare a hit to prevent a goal to a hit in retaliation for a goal?

mister d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:11 am Did you just compare a hit to prevent a goal to a hit in retaliation for a goal?

They are actually similar. Why is Laine making an effort (like speeding up) to shoot at an empty net with 3 seconds left? And why does Andersson care enough to violently go after Laine's knees to prevent it?

I don't watch much if any hockey, but man the fuck up. It doesn't matter how you get scored on. Even an empty netter. You don't want them to score an empty netter than don't pull the goalie. Simple as that. So kindly shut the fuck up about unwritten rules and such.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:39 am

mister d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:11 am Did you just compare a hit to prevent a goal to a hit in retaliation for a goal?

They are actually similar. Why is Laine making an effort (like speeding up) to shoot at an empty net with 3 seconds left? And why does Andersson care enough to violently go after Laine's knees to prevent it?

“So like in a way you can say Dale Hunter was almost throwing a check to prevent a goal. That’s just hockey.”

A+++

couldn't agree more - Reilly will get a bunch of 'atta boys behind his back.

I hope more guys slapshot empty netters in - who gives a fuck. play better.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:15 pm Hockey has a culture problem.

I am kind of surprised seeing you guys hate on "the code". The unwritten code is one of the things that makes hockey hockey. Running a star player will have consequences, don't touch the goalie, no punching while someone is down, etc etc. Hockey refereeing and rulebook is not capable of controlling the game like in other sports which have fouls for taunting, hanging onto the rim and taking off your helmet/jersey.

I have no issues with the Leafs not liking that play and wanting to respond. BUT, the response was over the top and stupid so he should get 10+ games.

i've always hated "the code" and so-called "unwritten rules" which...you know....aren't rules.

somebody dig up the 2004 Bertuzzi thread (....no don't, actually...hoooooboy)

I agree with sc in that the culture is broken in so so many ways and maybe it's just that the culture has always been broken and as i get older I get more tired of it.

I know baseball's bullshit unwritten rules have been shattered a lot in the last decade (and honestly I think the Bautista bat-flip was the very literal tipping point) and it's so infinitely better for it. Strike a guy out? fking scream and shout why should I give a shit? be a better hitter. or get mad if that makes you feel better - but do NOT be throwing 99mph at the next leadoff hitter, that shit doesn't fly anymore and it shouldn't. So why should hockey be this weird faux-bastion of old-school silent masculinity? why can't a guy blow off steam by the quite literally least-harmful thing possible in an open net situation with nobody between him and the goal and take a slapshot? imagine if in the NBA every dunk was treated like that - which let's be honest, is a dunk not essentially the basketball equivalent of an empty-netter?

i don't know man, it's just such a turnoff and i weirdly do understand why people can get up in arms over it because you're frustrated at losing and then the other team rubs your face in it but ...maybe they should just fking grow up. just win baby.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:42 pm I am kind of surprised seeing you guys hate on "the code". The unwritten code is one of the things that makes hockey hockey. Running a star player will have consequences, don't touch the goalie, no punching while someone is down, etc etc. Hockey refereeing and rulebook is not capable of controlling the game like in other sports which have fouls for taunting, hanging onto the rim and taking off your helmet/jersey.

I have no issues with the Leafs not liking that play and wanting to respond. BUT, the response was over the top and stupid so he should get 10+ games.

There’s a HUGE difference in the unwritten rules you mentioned and firing a slap shot into an empty net. The former are mostly about avoiding/preventing injuries in a violent sport and the latter is just someone feelings getting hurt.

brian wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:10 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:42 pm I am kind of surprised seeing you guys hate on "the code". The unwritten code is one of the things that makes hockey hockey. Running a star player will have consequences, don't touch the goalie, no punching while someone is down, etc etc. Hockey refereeing and rulebook is not capable of controlling the game like in other sports which have fouls for taunting, hanging onto the rim and taking off your helmet/jersey.

I have no issues with the Leafs not liking that play and wanting to respond. BUT, the response was over the top and stupid so he should get 10+ games.

There’s a HUGE difference in the unwritten rules you mentioned and firing a slap shot into an empty net. The former are mostly about avoiding/preventing injuries in a violent sport and the latter is just someone feelings getting hurt.

I think it's a competition and trust issue. Both teams know to play within these guidelines. Play hard and fair, don't show anyone up. Again, this is why we have NFL victory formations, NBA runs out the final few seconds under the shot clock, no bunting or stealing bases while up by alot, or soccer not kicking the ball out when a player is hurt. Heck, taking your shirt off in soccer is a yellow card and that's certainly not a safety issue. Sure they sound dumb but that's the parameters of the game and everyone knows that. A players go outside of it, and the other team gets mad.

Then get mad. You can’t throw a cross-check to the fucking head post-goal.

And also as a little aside, color me extremely skeptical Rielly goes in like that against a guy like Matt
Martin.

So they are not to play through the whistle. So was the team that pulled the goalie not playing anymore? Were they not trying to score? The point of most games is to score more than your opponent. Who cares if the shoot a slapsot empty netter. Who cares if someone bunts or steals up so many runs. I have seen plenty of players take an open dunk when the game was out of reach. They are paid to play. Not to make sure they don't hurt the feelings of the opposing team. Once again fuck em. And fuck anyone that thinks intent to injure is the appropriate response.

mister d wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:28 pm Then get mad. You can’t throw a cross-check to the fucking head post-goal.

Like this?

At first, I saw this play as a pathetic act by a poor loser, but after seeing another pathetic act by a poor loser, I see two pathetic acts by poor losers.

Who the fuck was on commentary calling that unsportsmanlike? He is a fucking idiot. Plenty of professional athletes shoot after the buzzer in other sports. Why is hockey full of whiners? How was that shot at the buzzer worthy of a fight? For fucks sake.

I don't have a huge issue with unwritten rules, because for the most part they exist to keep very large humans from seeing red and punching someone (or cross checking them in the face.)

But there's also a point where it bleeds into the ridiculous... How you score an empty-netter is peak bullshit.

When Anisimov shot the Lightning goalie after scoring, there was a scrum. Scrums are fine. If Rielly wants to get in Greig's face and yell and bait him and shit, whatever. He threw a hit that would have still been a penalty and possibly a major if they were actually playing hockey at the time.



ETA: Nevermind, it would have been a major because even if they were playing hockey, Greig still didn't have the puck.

Yeah, there's lots of options for Reilly there... cross-checking dude in the head was completely unjustifiable.

(I do think Greig lost his mind a little there, given the rivalry/situation. Deserved some kind of response... Just not, you know, a borderline criminal attack.)

Ohio Stadium hosting a Stadium Series game of Columbus vs Ann Arbor (well, Detroit) seems like a complete no-brainer. Also it will be comical to see Ohio Stadium with 75 percent Red Wings fans for a “home game”

A bunch of my wife’s coworkers are at the game at the meadowlands and were having a great time even before the Devils scored 32 seconds in.

I sorta liked NJD’s jerseys when they were announced and really like both teams wearing huge football
-style logos and #s on their helmets.

Wish the game was earlier in the day and we could have had snow.

Did they give up on day games because the sun always fucks things up or am I going to check the schedule for tomorrow and see the Rangers are during the day?