NCAA Basketball 23-24

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:34 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 pm UConn is probably going to win...but Alabama is really a fun team.

IMO Nate Oates is a top 5 Xs and Os coach in CBB. Trouble is, Hurley is too.

Post by **brian** » Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:35 pm

Didn’t UVA win the national title the next year after losing to a 16 seed?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:11 pm

brian wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:35 pm Didn’t UVA win the national title the next year after losing to a 16 seed?

Yes they did.

Damn....UConn is a really good team. Clingan is a beast. It will be fun to watch him and Edey go at it.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:46 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:11 pm
brian wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:35 pm Didn’t UVA win the national title the next year after losing to a 16 seed?
Yes they did.

Damn....UConn is a really good team. Clingan is a beast. It will be fun to watch him and Edey go at it.

Edey played all 40 minutes v NC State. I'm pretty sure he won't be able to do that v UConn.

What's cool about this UConn team is their 'best' player of the game is seemingly random. There's like a half dozen players that have taken that 'award'. I'm not sure that's happened before. Or if it has, then that team was really unique as well.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:44 pm

I just caught the last quarter in the sportsbook attached to the arena. It looked like the same thing as last year - a machine with 5 well-oiled parts vs. 1 superstar. Of course, I’ve been drinking without eating much, so grain of salt and all that.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:07 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:44 pm I just caught the last quarter in the sportsbook attached to the arena. It looked like the same thing as last year - a machine with 5 well-oiled parts vs. 1 superstar. Of course, I’ve been drinking without eating much, so grain of salt and all that.

Nope, this is accurate. Iowa got off to a quick start (7-0 with Clark's four teammates each shooting once on their first four possessions) and eventually got up by 11 or 12, but South Carolina just walked them down, then took control in the third.

Post by **brian** » Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:26 pm

Calipari leaving Kentucky for Arkansas. Wow.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:14 am

brian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:26 pm Calipari leaving Kentucky for Arkansas. Wow.

You ain't kidding. Hmmmm.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:32 am

Yeah, that's pretty huge. I don't think Cal leaving is a huge surprise, even if it is big news. Going to a conference rival is a surprise though. The next domino will be interesting. I have to think that Hurley and Oats are at the top of UK's list. I don't think Danny's going anywhere, but I'm sure Oats would if it could be worked out. My understanding is that he has a huge buyout though.

The locals think the funniest outcome would be Kevin Keats capitalizing on his hot run and leaving NC State for UK.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:34 am

Scott Drew should probably be the first call. I don't see Hurley leaving, and Oats would probably be the next call if Drew isn't interested. He just leveraged a new contract and a new arena, though. so leaving Waco not a priority.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:49 am

Maybe it was just inevitable that Clark would cool down, but it sure seemed like she was gassed in the second half. Full credit to an amazing SC team. 38-0 is EPIC.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:04 am

I suspect there’s something potentially disastrously scandalous coming down the pike. A top coach doesn’t just leave UK. If it’s money, I would think Cal has enough cachet to get them to match any offer.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:06 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:04 am I suspect there’s something potentially disastrously scandalous coming down the pike. A top coach doesn’t just leave UK. If it’s money, I would think Cal has enough cachet to get them to match any offer.

Tubby did it. At some point the job gets to you, and I suppose I'm part of that problem along with several other million fans.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:09 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:04 am I suspect there’s something potentially disastrously scandalous coming down the pike. A top coach doesn’t just leave UK. If it’s money, I would think Cal has enough cachet to get them to match any offer.

Cal does tend to leave one step ahead of the executioner (the NCAA), but in this case, I think it's just the overwhelming pressure from Kentucky fans. It's a tough job with unreasonable expectations. There aren't many comparable American jobs. The only one I can think of that combines incredibly high expectations with such a passionate, and quickly negative, fanbase is maybe Alabama football. I really don't think any pro jobs are quite as bad (although they're probably quicker to fire).

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:29 am

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:06 am
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:04 am I suspect there’s something potentially disastrously scandalous coming down the pike. A top coach doesn’t just leave UK. If it’s money, I would think Cal has enough cachet to get them to match any offer.
Tubby did it. At some point the job gets to you, and I suppose I'm part of that problem along with several other million fans.

Glad you fessed up to it before one of us had to point it out.

Post by **brian** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:37 am

This is probably a mutually beneficial move. Cal may not have “it” anymore and Kentucky will have its choice of coaches to replace him.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:50 am

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:34 am Scott Drew should probably be the first call. I don't see Hurley leaving, and Oats would probably be the next call if Drew isn't interested. He just leveraged a new contract and a new arena, though. so leaving Waco not a priority.

You shut your mouth.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:55 am

Giff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:50 am
A_B wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:34 am Scott Drew should probably be the first call. I don't see Hurley leaving, and Oats would probably be the next call if Drew isn't interested. He just leveraged a new contract and a new arena, though. so leaving Waco not a priority.
You shut your mouth.

It's gonna happen. Be extra hilarious that he spurned Louisville if he did come here.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:32 am

I really, really want Jay Wright to take that job.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:54 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:32 am I really, really want Jay Wright to take that job.

Me too, but I don't think he wants to leave TV. I omitted him because I just don't think he will come back to caoching.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:12 am

I don't either but it would be such a facewash to all the Villanova fans who are like "he's done but if he does decide to return to coaching he would never do it anywhere else".

(Most ideally he'd come to the Knicks but that doesn't seem to be in play either unless Thibs decides to walk.)

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:23 am

It seems like Calipari's fit at Kentucky has always been at least a little bit off. Once he said that the goal was to prepare his players for their NBA futures, it seemed like there was no coming back and smoothing over any bumps.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:45 am

You probably already assumed this, but I just read Rex Chapman’s new memoir and it sounds like Kentucky is an incredible pressure cooker for the coaches and players.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:08 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:45 am You probably already assumed this, but I just read Rex Chapman’s new memoir and it sounds like Kentucky is an incredible pressure cooker for the coaches and players.

Big if true.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:10 pm

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:07 pm

Dan Hurley is a psycho...

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:09 pm

Purdue is playing really well. And still losing. Not a great sign.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:05 pm

I don't think I've ever seen a college player get such favorable calls by a ref in my life.

You can't guard Edey. And your moving screens are not the same as his moving screens.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:13 pm

Did you guys see that offensive foul by Edey as he elbowed Karaban in the face?

Not even a thought of a whistle.

Post by **brian** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:16 pm

I’m fine with it. They call too many fouls in CBB as it is. Should be reffed more like the NBA.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:33 pm

UConn was completely dominant. Was 15 points their closet game all tournament? Just amazing...they just choke teams out in the second half.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:45 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:33 pm UConn was completely dominant. Was 15 points their closet game all tournament? Just amazing...they just choke teams out in the second half.

14 v Alabama.

Hell, this game might've been a 20 point game had Hurley not shoved his player to get the offense moving.

WTF was that

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:23 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:16 pm I’m fine with it. They call too many fouls in CBB as it is. Should be reffed more like the NBA.

I agree with this, so long as it is consistent. Other than a couple of calls, i didn't notice the officiating much. Like was mentioned a couple of moving screens and the obvious charge, but they let some stuff go with defenders on Edey as well, so it comes out in the wash. It is a much more fun product when they don't call every little thing.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:57 am

I enjoy watching Edey play - total throwback. Hope he lands somewhere in the NBA where he can settle in at 20 minutes a game off the bench and have a long long career.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:43 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:57 am I enjoy watching Edey play - total throwback. Hope he lands somewhere in the NBA where he can settle in at 20 minutes a game off the bench and have a long long career.

Why didn’t Painter go to the portal to sign a big to play 15 minutes a game? They ran Edey like a freakin mule this year. I get that he was dominant, and yes, they reached the title game, but if he wasn’t on the floor last night, UConn beats Purdue by 50 points.

Post by **brian** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:41 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:43 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:57 am I enjoy watching Edey play - total throwback. Hope he lands somewhere in the NBA where he can settle in at 20 minutes a game off the bench and have a long long career.
Why didn’t Painter go to the portal to sign a big to play 15 minutes a game? They ran Edey like a freakin mule this year. I get that he was dominant, and yes, they reached the title game, but if he wasn’t on the floor last night, UConn beats Purdue by 50 points.

I think this ask is a lot harder than it sounds. Those dudes don’t grow on trees.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:49 pm

And probably don't want to agree to be a backup.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:44 pm

If you say so. But to me that’s how you wind up with a team where 75% of your roster is from Indiana.

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:49 pm And probably don't want to agree to be a backup.

I’m not saying they need to sign a 3 or 4 star athlete who wants to crack the starting lineup. I’m saying there was perhaps a 5th or 6th yr transfer portal candidate to be had out who would’ve liked a chance to play with Edey on his final shot at a championship.

It wouldn’t have mattered anyway, but it is sort of odd that Edey gets all this credit for playing all those minutes when he was effectively taking plays off a lot of the time v Connecticut. He was actually leaning on Karaban late in the 1st, too.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:46 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:43 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:57 am I enjoy watching Edey play - total throwback. Hope he lands somewhere in the NBA where he can settle in at 20 minutes a game off the bench and have a long long career.
Why didn’t Painter go to the portal to sign a big to play 15 minutes a game? They ran Edey like a freakin mule this year. I get that he was dominant, and yes, they reached the title game, but if he wasn’t on the floor last night, UConn beats Purdue by 50 points.

Regarding Purdue's reliance on Edey, every article I read following the game that got into strategy at all noted that UConn's game plan was to let him score and take away Purdue's 3-point shooting, particularly when Edey kicked the ball out of the post when double-teamed (2.0 assists per game isn't bad at all for a big in college and 3-point shooting percentages are highest on passes that go inside-out than any other way). The Boilermakers ended the season 2nd in the country in 3-point percentage (40.4%) on 20.2 attempts per game (three guys shooting over 43% on over three attempts per game) while playing at a below average pace and finished the title game 1-of-7 from deep. Guys not named Edey shot 9-of-29 overall. Huskies did exactly what they planned.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:51 am

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:46 am
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:43 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:57 am I enjoy watching Edey play - total throwback. Hope he lands somewhere in the NBA where he can settle in at 20 minutes a game off the bench and have a long long career.
Why didn’t Painter go to the portal to sign a big to play 15 minutes a game? They ran Edey like a freakin mule this year. I get that he was dominant, and yes, they reached the title game, but if he wasn’t on the floor last night, UConn beats Purdue by 50 points.
Regarding Purdue's reliance on Edey, every article I read following the game that got into strategy at all noted that UConn's game plan was to let him score and take away Purdue's 3-point shooting, particularly when Edey kicked the ball out of the post when double-teamed (2.0 assists per game isn't bad at all for a big in college and 3-point shooting percentages are highest on passes that go inside-out than any other way). The Boilermakers ended the season 2nd in the country in 3-point percentage (40.4%) on 20.2 attempts per game (three guys shooting over 43% on over three attempts per game) while playing at a below average pace and finished the title game 1-of-7 from deep. Guys not named Edey shot 9-of-29 overall. Huskies did exactly what they planned.

Yep. It was a master class performance.