Black Monday 2024

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:58 am

Ron Rivera

And Arthur Smith didn't make it past midnight, so he was technically a Black Sunday casualty

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:14 am

I was going to start the thread and note the timestamp on this tweet:

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:47 am

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:06 pm

Guess he never watched the Jets before signing with them.

Also Panthers Fire their GM

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:09 pm

Also, Aaron Rodgers complaining about the noise and bullshit is...rich, given who he is and what he spews 24/7.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:18 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:09 pm Also, Aaron Rodgers complaining about the noise and bullshit is...rich, given who he is and what he spews 24/7.

I mean...LOL

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:23 pm

Sports embodiment of rules for thee, not for me.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:24 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:23 pm Sports embodiment of rules for thee, not for me.

No shit. The Jets need to start by cutting all of the players Rodgers demanded they sign, like Randall Cobb (seems like a great guy from Hard Knocks, but when he caught a pass yesterday, I completely forgot he was still on the team!), Lazard and Boyle. All 3 are a complete waste of cap space.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:01 pm

LOL

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:07 pm

But the two aren't really connected since it had nothing to do with Jackson and everything to do with colluding to suppress salaries.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:08 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:07 pm But the two aren't really connected since it had nothing to do with Jackson and everything to do with colluding to suppress salaries.

It is connected in the sense that if the owners had not been colluding one of those teams might not have sucked.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:13 pm

Really not nice of you to mock poor Arthur Smith, who just got caught up in the machinations and whims of billionaires. The little guy doesn't stand a chance in that situation.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:12 pm

Imagine being either Smith (literally can't remember the first one's name) and knowing there's at least a chance you won't be known as the biggest loser Falcons head coach with your own name

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:14 pm

Mike! It's Mike. Or possibly Matt. Gregg?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:28 pm

rass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:13 pm Really not nice of you to mock poor Arthur Smith, who just got caught up in the machinations and whims of billionaires. The little guy doesn't stand a chance in that situation.

Yeah, it’s the GMs and owners who suck more.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:39 pm

I think Pete Carroll is grateful that the Huskies are in the Nat'l Championship game tonight...otherwise he might be getting some more attention about the damp squib (man, I love that phrase) of a season that just ended.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:00 pm

Little worse than listening to an NFL owner talk on field football.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:01 pm

Vrabel

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:03 pm

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:01 pm Vrabel

Another win for the Belichick tree!

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:39 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:03 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:01 pm Vrabel
Another win for the Belichick tree!

He never coached under Bill, only played. He's part of the Bill 0'Brian (NFL) or Urban Meyer (OSU) trees.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:40 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:39 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:03 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:01 pm Vrabel
Another win for the Belichick tree!
He never coached under Bill, only played. He's part of the Bill 0'Brian (NFL) or Urban Meyer (OSU) trees.

Isn't that like saying your grandfather isn't a part of your family tree because he wasn't your father?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:00 pm

On whether Tennessee consideration given to trading Vrabel: "Yes, there was. But there's a bit of misconception about a coach's contract, say versus a player's contract. A coach's contract, you can't trade them unless they are a willing partner to that trade."

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:38 pm

Giff wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:40 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:39 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:03 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:01 pm Vrabel
Another win for the Belichick tree!
He never coached under Bill, only played. He's part of the Bill 0'Brian (NFL) or Urban Meyer (OSU) trees.
Isn't that like saying your grandfather isn't a part of your family tree because he wasn't your father?

So by your logic, Ryans is off the Kubiack tree rather than the Shanahan tree.

BoB isn't part of Belechick's tree either. He was a pretty experienced college coach/coordinator before he came to NE (which was only for 4 years.)

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:51 pm

odd argument aside, trying to claim that a guy who got his first major head coaching job directly after spending five seasons in New England and working his way up the offensive staff *isn't* part of the New England/Belichick coaching tree is quite the reach

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:26 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:51 pm odd argument aside, trying to claim that a guy who got his first major head coaching job directly after spending five seasons in New England and working his way up the offensive staff *isn't* part of the New England/Belichick coaching tree is quite the reach

He was OC at a major program, he would have gotten a job sooner than later if he simply stayed in the college game. Not like Belicheck instilled him with offensive concepts anyway, he worked under Weis in NE, who also wasn't part of the Belicheck tree.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:19 pm

I’m even more confused now — are you saying that a coach can only be considered as part of a coaching tree by virtue of where his first coaching job was?

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:57 am

I still think Vrabel is a good coach; good coaches get fired. He's had some bad QBs which will make any coach look bad, as I'm unfortunately learning now.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:38 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:19 pm I’m even more confused now — are you saying that a coach can only be considered as part of a coaching tree by virtue of where his first coaching job was?

You should know exactly what I'm saying with your wealth of knowledge. Thanks for the comments as always.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:39 am

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:57 am I still think Vrabel is a good coach; good coaches get fired. He's had some bad QBs which will make any coach look bad, as I'm unfortunately learning now.

He's also had a transcendental RB, I'm not as set on him being that great of a coach. Belechick needs some GM checking but otherwise is still better than 95% of the coaches in the NFL.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:49 am

The things that actually make people good coaches vs just luck with talent are completely unknown to the average fan. Get a guy that can gameplan and utilitze strengths. Otherwise, throw a dart.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:26 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:38 am
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:19 pm I’m even more confused now — are you saying that a coach can only be considered as part of a coaching tree by virtue of where his first coaching job was?
You should know exactly what I'm saying with your wealth of knowledge. Thanks for the comments as always.

unfortunately, my genius doesn't extend to deciphering the meaning of what you're trying to say

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:26 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:26 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:38 am
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:19 pm I’m even more confused now — are you saying that a coach can only be considered as part of a coaching tree by virtue of where his first coaching job was?
You should know exactly what I'm saying with your wealth of knowledge. Thanks for the comments as always.
unfortunately, my genius doesn't extend to deciphering the meaning of what you're trying to say

Thanks for the comments as always.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:27 pm

everything ok? this feels more than the typical way that patriots-related topics go

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:45 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:27 pm everything ok? this feels more than the typical way that patriots-related topics go

Again, thanks for the comments. I hear there's a really tough Peleton time trial starting. Better get ready!

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:36 pm

Pete Carroll OUT.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:40 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:36 pm Pete Carroll OUT.

Now, whose tree is he from?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:40 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:36 pm Pete Carroll OUT.

Wow...surprised, but not surprised. 2013 was a long time ago, and they've definitely been "Meh" over the last few years.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:41 pm

bfj wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:40 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:36 pm Pete Carroll OUT.
Now, whose tree is he from?

The George Halas tree maybe?

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:43 pm

It was nice to have two good coordinators here in Baltimore for one season. I imagine they could both be gone after this year.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:45 pm

Eh, don’t worry BFJ. Coordinators don’t move the needle negatively that much. Look what happened to my guys this year after losing both OC and DC.