Re: NFL 2024 Offseason
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:10 pm
Geno was actually good at times with the Jets
He was phenomenal at practices... until they added defenders to drills.
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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I agree. Darnold had no weapons and a terrible O-line. The Jets seemingly have a terrible O-line every year since 2008-ish.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:25 pm Darnold was also like 17 years old when they drafted him. I've decided I'm convinced a team can't be wrong that many times in the top rounds of the draft with different FOs each time, the org just ruins them. Except Wilson. When he was all uncomfortable in that video at the draft with the other top picks you knew it was over before it started.
Yeah that's what rookie QBs doThe Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:19 pmHe was phenomenal at practices... until they added defenders to drills.
Darnold struggling as rookie/young player is understandable. Darnold having made no improvements at any point in his career however cannot be blamed on being drafted at age 21.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:25 pm Darnold was also like 17 years old when they drafted him. I've decided I'm convinced a team can't be wrong that many times in the top rounds of the draft with different FOs each time, the org just ruins them. Except Wilson. When he was all uncomfortable in that video at the draft with the other top picks you knew it was over before it started.
Which is why it’s a head-scratcher that the Vikes seem to believe he is their answer at qb. He’s never shown that anywhere yet. He didn’t even look that good when he started game 17 for the 49ers (although to be fair, it was a game of backups v. backups).Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:25 pmDarnold struggling as rookie/young player is understandable. Darnold having made no improvements at any point in his career however cannot be blamed on being drafted at age 21.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:25 pm Darnold was also like 17 years old when they drafted him. I've decided I'm convinced a team can't be wrong that many times in the top rounds of the draft with different FOs each time, the org just ruins them. Except Wilson. When he was all uncomfortable in that video at the draft with the other top picks you knew it was over before it started.
Wait what? I didn't expect him to be in their market. I thought he'd be getting like 4 years $80 mil, this is great. He's exactly what they want in an ILB, fast and instinctive.
They didn't even pick up his option, it's a function of paying Roquan Smith a trillion dollars and Queen having been inconsistent at best before Smith showed up.
Pretend I inserted a link to all the concerned articles about Patrick Mahomes throwing interceptions in practice in 2018. It's practice. It's been proven unequivocably that Geno Smith can read a defense by this point.
fwiw. the sense in baltimore was that he was really lost until Roquan arrived and then he flourished because Roquan took over the thinking and directing and freed Queen up to just flow and make plays. If Steelers have someone like that in place at LB next to him probably best way to continue to see him unlocked.
it's a one-year deal that likely won't come close to paying out the reported $10M -- Drew Lock just got $5M -- so there's no reason to believe at the moment that Darnold is the answer to anything other than filling out a roster spotsancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:30 pmWhich is why it’s a head-scratcher that the Vikes seem to believe he is their answer at qb. He’s never shown that anywhere yet. He didn’t even look that good when he started game 17 for the 49ers (although to be fair, it was a game of backups v. backups).Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:25 pmDarnold struggling as rookie/young player is understandable. Darnold having made no improvements at any point in his career however cannot be blamed on being drafted at age 21.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:25 pm Darnold was also like 17 years old when they drafted him. I've decided I'm convinced a team can't be wrong that many times in the top rounds of the draft with different FOs each time, the org just ruins them. Except Wilson. When he was all uncomfortable in that video at the draft with the other top picks you knew it was over before it started.
He realized his potential when paired with Smith. They were perhaps the best ILB duo in the NFL the past year. Hell, Queen was a 2nd team all-pro. Points for starting every game in four years as a Raven, too.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:10 pmfwiw. the sense in baltimore was that he was really lost until Roquan arrived and then he flourished because Roquan took over the thinking and directing and freed Queen up to just flow and make plays. If Steelers have someone like that in place at LB next to him probably best way to continue to see him unlocked.
I'm going to try to be complete as possible on this and I don't intend to come off as talking down. Fields is entering his fourth year and, as a first round pick, has a fifth-year team option on his rookie contract for $25,664,000 that would have to be picked up by May 2. While his salary for this year is just over $3.2M, his cap hit and dead cap number are just over $6M because his salary and roster bonus are guaranteed (the rest is one-fourth of the original signing bonus), so his salary cap number is the same whether or not he is on the team.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:44 amI know I don't know shit about NFL valuations and all that, but doesn't this seems really, really wrong? Wouldn't Fields be the Jets best QB in a long time the minute the trade was finalized?DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:42 pmThere are some tweets reporting a couple playoff contender-ish teams are kicking the tires on bringing Fields as a backup. Every goddamn story about his trade value in the last month listed it peaking as a third-rounder (except for some unnamed coach saying he would get a second).
He’s getting paid a lot as a weak side LB. He can’t hold down the middle. He’s not great in pass coverage. Roquan ain’t walking in the door. So if they think he’s the middle LB, take on OL and shed them to make a tackle, he may not be that guy. He’s a solid tackler and fast to the ball and runs all game long. Never realized he never missed a game. Impressive.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:32 pmHe realized his potential when paired with Smith. They were perhaps the best ILB duo in the NFL the past year. Hell, Queen was a 2nd team all-pro. Points for starting every game in four years as a Raven, too.tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:10 pmfwiw. the sense in baltimore was that he was really lost until Roquan arrived and then he flourished because Roquan took over the thinking and directing and freed Queen up to just flow and make plays. If Steelers have someone like that in place at LB next to him probably best way to continue to see him unlocked.
So, since a trade is unlikely, it appears the most likely scenario is that the Bears release Fields rather than pick up the option? And, then Fields goes elsewhere as a backup, at a much lower price?DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:35 pmI'm going to try to be complete as possible on this and I don't intend to come off as talking down. Fields is entering his fourth year and, as a first round pick, has a fifth-year team option on his rookie contract for $25,664,000 that would have to be picked up by May 2. While his salary for this year is just over $3.2M, his cap hit and dead cap number are just over $6M because his salary and roster bonus are guaranteed (the rest is one-fourth of the original signing bonus), so his salary cap number is the same whether or not he is on the team.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:44 amI know I don't know shit about NFL valuations and all that, but doesn't this seems really, really wrong? Wouldn't Fields be the Jets best QB in a long time the minute the trade was finalized?DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:42 pmThere are some tweets reporting a couple playoff contender-ish teams are kicking the tires on bringing Fields as a backup. Every goddamn story about his trade value in the last month listed it peaking as a third-rounder (except for some unnamed coach saying he would get a second).
From his first three seasons, he has been an exceptional runner at quarterback, but a very poor passer who has slowly improved. Last year, he was 29th in completion percentage, 17th in TD rate, 23rd in INT rate, 29th in success rate (think of staying in "positive down and distance"), 21st in adjusted yards per attempt, and 31st in sack rate. To compare to another extremely athletic quarterback who is not thought of as a great passer, Lamar Jackson was in the top 8 of each of those stats, save for sack rate (25th).
Fields carries minimal value in trade because he's under contract for just one year and no one would pick up his option before he even takes a practice snap. The only team right now without a "starter" is Denver, who is eating enough Russell Wilson money, it's apparent they are burning it down to the foundation (Jarrett Stidham - $7M cap hit - and Ben DiNucci are on their roster). Since he is eating up $6M of space on the Bears' roster, they are going to want enough trade compensation to make it worth not having him on their roster.
At this point, it seems their only hope to trade him is if some team who fancies themselves a playoff contender loses their starter in training camp. With the way most starters are kept in bubble wrap before the season starts and Fields' "non-traditional" style of play, that lessens that chance of a trade, too.
Sounds fun to me!Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:02 pmWait what? I didn't expect him to be in their market. I thought he'd be getting like 4 years $80 mil, this is great. He's exactly what they want in an ILB, fast and instinctive.
But also light. He's going to miss a lot of tackles, so however you felt about Shazier, you'll probably feel similarly about Queen. He's not nearly the force Shazier was but he's that kind of player.
No the Bears are on the hook for his salary for 2024 anyway so what they’d likely do is decline the 5th year option and keep him as a backup to Williams. Then he’d be a FA next year. Or as DSafe said maybe some desperate team who loses their QB in camp might want to trade for him.sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:09 pmSo, since a trade is unlikely, it appears the most likely scenario is that the Bears release Fields rather than pick up the option? And, then Fields goes elsewhere as a backup, at a much lower price?DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:35 pmI'm going to try to be complete as possible on this and I don't intend to come off as talking down. Fields is entering his fourth year and, as a first round pick, has a fifth-year team option on his rookie contract for $25,664,000 that would have to be picked up by May 2. While his salary for this year is just over $3.2M, his cap hit and dead cap number are just over $6M because his salary and roster bonus are guaranteed (the rest is one-fourth of the original signing bonus), so his salary cap number is the same whether or not he is on the team.mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:44 amI know I don't know shit about NFL valuations and all that, but doesn't this seems really, really wrong? Wouldn't Fields be the Jets best QB in a long time the minute the trade was finalized?DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:42 pmThere are some tweets reporting a couple playoff contender-ish teams are kicking the tires on bringing Fields as a backup. Every goddamn story about his trade value in the last month listed it peaking as a third-rounder (except for some unnamed coach saying he would get a second).
From his first three seasons, he has been an exceptional runner at quarterback, but a very poor passer who has slowly improved. Last year, he was 29th in completion percentage, 17th in TD rate, 23rd in INT rate, 29th in success rate (think of staying in "positive down and distance"), 21st in adjusted yards per attempt, and 31st in sack rate. To compare to another extremely athletic quarterback who is not thought of as a great passer, Lamar Jackson was in the top 8 of each of those stats, save for sack rate (25th).
Fields carries minimal value in trade because he's under contract for just one year and no one would pick up his option before he even takes a practice snap. The only team right now without a "starter" is Denver, who is eating enough Russell Wilson money, it's apparent they are burning it down to the foundation (Jarrett Stidham - $7M cap hit - and Ben DiNucci are on their roster). Since he is eating up $6M of space on the Bears' roster, they are going to want enough trade compensation to make it worth not having him on their roster.
At this point, it seems their only hope to trade him is if some team who fancies themselves a playoff contender loses their starter in training camp. With the way most starters are kept in bubble wrap before the season starts and Fields' "non-traditional" style of play, that lessens that chance of a trade, too.
Brian is correct about keeping him and declining the option. The $6M cap space is a sunk cost (and a factor in any trade compensation because if they're going to eat the cap space and not have Fields on the roster, they want enough back in trade to make doing that worthwhile) and they would seemingly need to bring in a backup QB if they cut Fields. I use "seemingly" because I can also see them being dumb enough to make Tyler Bagent (the D2 UDFA who ended up the backup last year) the QB2 and bring back Nathan Peterman, who was their QB3 last year.brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:22 pmNo the Bears are on the hook for his salary for 2024 anyway so what they’d likely do is decline the 5th year option and keep him as a backup to Williams. Then he’d be a FA next year. Or as DSafe said maybe some desperate team who loses their QB in camp might want to trade for him.
With the way the compensation pick system works if Fields DID sign as a FA somewhere and actually play well Chicago might get a better draft pick than if they dealt him right now. Depending on what his value seems to be. Can get a 3rd round pick as a comp pick.
That is brutal.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:40 am
Nice to see the local media playing this as "the trade market hasn't materialized" as opposed to blaming them for not making a deal shortly after the combine, which is coincidentally when Mayfield went off the market and Wilson surprisingly came onto the market and removed a potential trade partner. Just another strike against Poles, who did make the trade last year for DJ Moore, but that came at the expense of the only GM who I can say for certain is significantly worse than him. For evidence as to how bad Carolina's GM is...
They needed the office space?
I guess the smart candidates are just passing on Tepper.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:22 pm that tweet is missing the second-rounder they got from the Giants, FYI (and the Panthers now have a new GM who made the Brian Burns deal)
note: this is not a defense, just adding context
No, this move is nonsensical. He was decent for like one year in 2019.Jerloma wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:29 pmSounds fun to me!Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:02 pmWait what? I didn't expect him to be in their market. I thought he'd be getting like 4 years $80 mil, this is great. He's exactly what they want in an ILB, fast and instinctive.
But also light. He's going to miss a lot of tackles, so however you felt about Shazier, you'll probably feel similarly about Queen. He's not nearly the force Shazier was but he's that kind of player.
Now we're trading Diontae for Donte Jackson? CB for Panthers? Is he good?
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