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Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:45 am
by Gunpowder
Johnnie wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:21 am Missed this gem the other day:



Meaning when Republicans state the truth, Democrats say it's hate speech....riiiight.



"Actually Obama started separating families at the border".

"Obama was too tough on illegals" being the newest GOP talking point is beyond mere hilarity.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:54 am
by DaveInSeattle
Someone on twitter yesterday was posting the most 'amusing/disgusting' highlights from the 47(!) page indictment. Among them:

-Hunter wanted new 'hawaiian shorts', and his wife told him to buy them at a Golf Pro Shop so they could put on the expense report that they were 'golf balls for wounded warriors'

-Hunter wanted to expense a family vacation to Italy by setting up a visit to a Navy facility. When the Navy said they couldn't do it on the date Hunter wanted, he said 'Fuck the Navy'. Somehow, I think that won't go over so well in San Diego (which he represents).

-He took his mother out for dinner, and spend almost $600.

-He bought 30 (!!!) shots of tequila at a restaurant, and had it as a campaign expense.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:00 am
by Giff
DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:54 am
Someone on twitter yesterday was posting the most 'amusing/disgusting' highlights from the 47(!) page indictment. Among them:

-Hunter wanted new 'hawaiian shorts', and his wife told him to buy them at a Golf Pro Shop so they could put on the expense report that they were 'golf balls for wounded warriors'

-Hunter wanted to expense a family vacation to Italy by setting up a visit to a Navy facility. When the Navy said they couldn't do it on the date Hunter wanted, he said 'Fuck the Navy'. Somehow, I think that won't go over so well in San Diego (which he represents).

-He took his mother out for dinner, and spend almost $600.

-He bought 30 (!!!) shots of tequila at a restaurant, and had it as a campaign expense.
Please tell me he's criticized NFL players.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:09 am
by Baloney
DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:54 am
Someone on twitter yesterday was posting the most 'amusing/disgusting' highlights from the 47(!) page indictment. Among them:

-Hunter wanted new 'hawaiian shorts', and his wife told him to buy them at a Golf Pro Shop so they could put on the expense report that they were 'golf balls for wounded warriors'

-Hunter wanted to expense a family vacation to Italy by setting up a visit to a Navy facility. When the Navy said they couldn't do it on the date Hunter wanted, he said 'Fuck the Navy'. Somehow, I think that won't go over so well in San Diego (which he represents).

-He took his mother out for dinner, and spend almost $600.

-He bought 30 (!!!) shots of tequila at a restaurant, and had it as a campaign expense.
He bought an airline ticket for his rabbit

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:16 am
by brian
I'm literally envious that Giff and TT get to vote for Beto.


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:21 am
by Pruitt
Baloney wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:09 am
DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:54 am
Someone on twitter yesterday was posting the most 'amusing/disgusting' highlights from the 47(!) page indictment. Among them:

-Hunter wanted new 'hawaiian shorts', and his wife told him to buy them at a Golf Pro Shop so they could put on the expense report that they were 'golf balls for wounded warriors'

-Hunter wanted to expense a family vacation to Italy by setting up a visit to a Navy facility. When the Navy said they couldn't do it on the date Hunter wanted, he said 'Fuck the Navy'. Somehow, I think that won't go over so well in San Diego (which he represents).

-He took his mother out for dinner, and spend almost $600.

-He bought 30 (!!!) shots of tequila at a restaurant, and had it as a campaign expense.
He bought an airline ticket for his rabbit
I thought you wrote "rabbi" and went on a short diatribe about how sleazy so many of my fellow Jews are.

Nevermind...

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:27 pm
by Pruitt
Fun trivia from the Post:
Hunter was the second member of Congress to endorse Trump. He followed Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) by just a few hours in February 2016. Collins was indicted two weeks ago on insider trading charges. He ended his reelection bid under pressure from Trump allies and GOP leaders who feared a messy distraction, even as he continues to proclaim his innocence.
Only the best people...

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:59 pm
by Johnnie
Pruitt wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:27 pm Fun trivia from the Post:
Hunter was the second member of Congress to endorse Trump. He followed Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) by just a few hours in February 2016. Collins was indicted two weeks ago on insider trading charges. He ended his reelection bid under pressure from Trump allies and GOP leaders who feared a messy distraction, even as he continues to proclaim his innocence.
Only the best people...
According to Reddit comments, the third member of Congress to endorse him was Jeff Sessions.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:11 pm
by govmentchedda
brian wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:16 am I'm literally envious that Giff and TT get to vote for Beto.

Yep. This has been forwarded around a bit this week. Pretty proud to already have my Beto T-shirt and sticker. Feels like I saw Arcade Fire in concert just before Funeral was released.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:10 pm
by brian
I don't want to get too far ahead of the game, but if he somehow wins...this is a guy who could end up running for president in 2020. And before you scoff at that remember Obama was only a Senator for two years before running and winning. There's an advantage to not having much of a track record if you go by the last few elections.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:26 pm
by Nonlinear FC
brian wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:10 pm I don't want to get too far ahead of the game, but if he somehow wins...this is a guy who could end up running for president in 2020. And before you scoff at that remember Obama was only a Senator for two years before running and winning. There's an advantage to not having much of a track record if you go by the last few elections.
There is absolutely a buzz about him and I'm seeing credible people starting to make this case. I think even with a narrow loss he has put himself in play.

There's a reason a guy like me is donating to Senate race in TX and it's not about Cruz, it's about Beto. The guy has "it."

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:04 pm
by Johnnie
He also did this:



Embedded link from that tweet:


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:57 pm
by Pruitt
Classic!


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:38 pm
by Brontoburglar
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... 10f5473445
An internal investigation by the university concluded that Paris Dennard, a surrogate during the campaign and now a member of the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships, told a recent college graduate who worked for him that he wanted to have sex with her. He “pretended to unzip his pants in her presence, tried to get her to sit on his lap, and made masturbatory gestures,” according to a university report obtained by The Washington Post.

According to the 2014 report, Dennard did not dispute those claims but said he committed the acts jokingly. The investigation began after the woman and a second female employee told superiors Dennard’s actions went too far and had made them uncomfortable.
The Sybian wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:04 pm
Shirley wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:01 pm As I wrote above, I (blissfully) had no idea who Paris Dennard is. Phil Mudd either, for that matter. I think because of that, I was merely going off the video shown. It sounds like the rest of you are judging the exchange - fairly or not - by what you already knew of Dennard.

I still stand by my observation. The guy made a reasonable note about the economic value of having high security clearance and occasional access to top secret information. I never thought those guys profited off of the actual secret information - that would be a serious crime - but they very likely do profit off of the idea that they are privy to that information. And if someone is looking to them for consulting, their having access to secret information would certainly be a valuable asset, even if the actual secret information isn't directly shared.

That doesn't mean that Dennard isn't a tool, but it also doesn't excuse the behavior of Mudd in that interview.
Count yourself lucky for not knowing Dennard. I totally understand your observation, and setting aside my bias against Dennard, his point is a complete fallacy, and straight of the GOP talking points memo. I've heard the identical argument parrotted by numerous mouth pieces, and it's intentionally deceitful. High level retired CIA operatives are absolutely earning money off of their experience in the CIA, but I really don't think they are getting paid for their retained security clearance, but for their expertise and experience. They have no access to classified info other than what current government officials request they read. Mudd has every right to be pissed, because the President has committed an enormously blatant violation of the 1st Amendment, and did so in a belligerent fit of toddler rage, against the former CIA Director for having the audacity to criticize the Fuhrer. Trump is acting like a despotic dictator and threatening all who dare speak out against him. Add to it Dennard directly accusing Mudd and his peers of lacking integrity, and defending Brennen out of greed and wanting to cash in on their security clearance out of greed. Throw in the history of the two of them debating numerous times, and Dennard being a lying weasel attacking the integrity of retired CIA and FBI operatives, and yeah, he snapped.

I'm not attacking you at all here, my first instinct when I heard all of this was, "why does Brennen need to keep his security clearance?" After it was all explained (see my post above), I realized it's vital for security to keep retired high-level intel operatives clued in, and maintaining clearance to review classified docs when necessary.

An interesting angle I've seen, is that Trump is really trying to preempt incriminating testimony against him and his family. While it appears he is attacking those who criticize him, the real motive could be that he is attacking the credibility of those who can incriminate him, and prevent them from having access to their own notes when they witnessed Trump committing crimes. The argument is that Trump is taking security clearance from everyone who knows he fired Mueller to obstruct justice, so they can't testify to their contemporaneous notes. Interesting thought, but I think it's much more likely he is acting like a spoiled toddler and lashing out, not playing a brilliant long game.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:09 pm
by Pruitt
Only the best people.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:50 pm
by Johnnie
Womp².

Tots.

Pears.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:07 pm
by Johnnie
Awesome. Hope this makes Trump's head explode.


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:43 am
by Johnnie

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:07 pm
by Gunpowder
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018 ... bly/221094

Yeah, the crazy conspiracy is Trump utilizing assistance from long-established connections to powerful Russians before the election.

The rational one is that JOHN KERRY IS CONTROLLING THE WEATHER WITH ANTARCTIC ENERGY BEAMS.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:20 pm
by Pruitt
Gunpowder wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:07 pm https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018 ... bly/221094

Yeah, the crazy conspiracy is Trump utilizing assistance from long-established connections to powerful Russians before the election.

The rational one is that JOHN KERRY IS CONTROLLING THE WEATHER WITH ANTARCTIC ENERGY BEAMS.
Way back in the day, lunatics who had to get their message across would make photocopies of single-spaced or handwritten diatribes and stick them in mailboxes or tape them too lamp posts.

Now, any blithering idiot can be a "news commentator."

(From the above article)
SHROYER: No, you’re 100 percent accurate. John Kerry was in Antarctica, I think it was two years ago or less.

HAMAMOTO: I don’t know, was he checking out the hardware or the facility? There are all kinds of different rumors and speculation and I think they need to be checked out. Maybe John Kerry should be visited by some of our intelligence people. Maybe this would be a good use of the FBI instead of trying to indict President Trump on these crazy charges. But maybe the FBI can be interview John Kerry and ask him what he was doing down there and what he found out

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:14 pm
by brian
Buy the Chapo Trap House book. Just trust me.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:22 pm
by Pruitt
brian wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:14 pm Buy the Chapo Trap House book. Just trust me.
I have never heard of that.

Googled it and this is the first thing that came up.



I'm all in!

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:30 pm
by Johnnie
How good is this poll?


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:09 pm
by Johnnie


The whole Twitter chain was good to read.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:42 pm
by Johnnie
Nice!



Picture of Beto O'Rourke with Arian Foster with a caption saying he'll be on the Now What? podcast soon.

The "prequel" to the podcast:


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:05 pm
by Johnnie
Ha.


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:08 pm
by degenerasian
Democratic voter turnout for the Florida primary won by Gillum in a surprise

2018: 1,416,000+ voters
2014: 837,720
2010: 871,335
2006: 857,814

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:25 am
by Joe K




If centrist Dems aren’t even willing to fight on Trump’s appointment of judicial nominees to lifetime positions, what exactly is their purpose? It’s getting harder and harder to view Schumer types as having any real role other than in restraining and suppressing the more progressive wing of the party in the name of “unity.”

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:15 am
by L-Jam3
It looks like the GOP will need to up their voter suppression efforts in FL and especially NC, since the Middle District of North Carolina ruled that the Congressional districts are, as the court put it, "...still gerrymandered as fuck."

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:18 am
by L-Jam3
And holy shit is Schumer impotent.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:07 am
by Johnnie
Well, he's related to Amy Schumer, so what do you expect? The Democratic leadership is dogshit.

Also, there was this today:


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:08 am
by brian
What's wrong with Amy Schumer?

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:43 am
by brian
Texas GOP getting dragged for this one. Don't think it's going to do anything other than make Beto seem cooler.


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:20 pm
by DaveInSeattle
Johnnie wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:07 am
Also, there was this today:

The Racism Watch Dog account better respond with 'WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF!"

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:23 pm
by A_B
DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:20 pm
Johnnie wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:07 am
Also, there was this today:

The Racism Watch Dog account better respond with 'WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF!"
It did.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:12 pm
by Johnnie
Martha McSally swinging at Kyrsten Sinema:



My cousin was her crew chief whole she was commander of his season and he deployed with her. His reaction to her:

"She is 100% not the person I knew."

She traded her integrity for political capital in Trump's Republican party...eschewing the first Air Force core value. Sad.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:23 pm
by Johnnie
brian wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:43 am Texas GOP getting dragged for this one. Don't think it's going to do anything other than make Beto seem cooler.

GQ agrees.

Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't share this everywhere because OMG LANGUAGE!


Re: Random Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:10 pm
by Johnny Carwash
brian wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:43 am Texas GOP getting dragged for this one. Don't think it's going to do anything other than make Beto seem cooler.

I don't know, the revelation that he was the lead singer for the Spin Doctors could be devastating.

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:01 am
by Nonlinear FC
https://www.washingtonian.com/2018/06/2 ... slaughter/

Interesting article. This the joint I worked at in its early stages (first comms director).

Re: Random Politics

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:23 pm
by Johnnie
Pruitt wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:22 pm
brian wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:14 pm Buy the Chapo Trap House book. Just trust me.
I have never heard of that.

Googled it and this is the first thing that came up.



I'm all in!
Ok, your post is the first I've heard of Chapo Trap House. And I was just reading something a minute ago about their podcast.

And I'm like..."Wait, what?"

Just downloaded their latest episode (number 240) and it's a McCainapalooza of hysterical filthy political talk. It's outstanding.

Gunna have to get that book.