NFL Offseason Thread

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:19 pm

Cardinals DC Todd Bowles removes himself from consideration for the Browns' HC job.

At this rate, Tressel will be the coach. Or maybe Gerry Faust.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:02 pm

Sabo wrote:Cardinals DC Todd Bowles removes himself from consideration for the Browns' HC job.

At this rate, Tressel will be the coach. Or maybe Gerry Faust.

Tressel's being rumored for Caldwell's staff in Detroit.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:53 pm

Sabo wrote:Cardinals DC Todd Bowles removes himself from consideration for the Browns' HC job.

At this rate, Tressel will be the coach. Or maybe Gerry Faust.

They've already interviewed Mike Munchak.

Say, isn't that Shanahan fellow available?

I wonder if the Browns offices are like the Overlook hotel in The Shining.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:07 pm

Sabo wrote:Cardinals DC Todd Bowles removes himself from consideration for the Browns' HC job.

At this rate, Tressel will be the coach. Or maybe Gerry Faust.

I think they'll have to bring Chudzinski back, even after he demands a salary increase.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:33 am

Fuck it, I'll coach the Browns. For like $500K! That's it! Discount!

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:52 am

Gunpowder wrote:Fuck it, I'll coach the Browns. For like $500K! That's it! Discount!

I'd rather have you than Scumbag McSweaterVest.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:58 am

Can I use that as an endorsement on my resume?

kranepool · Post by **kranepool** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:59 am

Gunpowder wrote:Fuck it, I'll coach the Browns. For like $500K! That's it! Discount!

"We're gonna run the flea-flicker on every offensive snap." - Coach G.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:02 am

kranepool wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Fuck it, I'll coach the Browns. For like $500K! That's it! Discount!
"We're gonna run the flea-flicker on every offensive snap." - Coach G.

OMAHA! OMAHA!

Which in this case will mean "we're throwing it to Gordon!"

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:52 am

AB_skin_test wrote:

Which in this case will mean "we're throwing it to Gordon!"

Some marketing exec needs to pay Peyton to use their product name for whatever Omaha meant last week. "Pepsi! Pepsi! Pizza Hut-hut!"

kranepool · Post by **kranepool** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:06 am

Earlier this season, the Eagles' defense countered a Broncos "OMAHA!" call with "PAPA JOHN'S"!

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:35 am

Gunpowder wrote:Can I use that as an endorsement on my resume?

I'll do anything I can do to get Business Horse a job.

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:47 pm

Mike Zimmer hired by the Vikings to be their head coach.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:05 pm

Sabo wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Can I use that as an endorsement on my resume?
I'll do anything I can do to get Business Horse a job.

Best horse-related coach since Mice Tice Riding Barbaro.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:07 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:
Sabo wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Can I use that as an endorsement on my resume?
I'll do anything I can do to get Business Horse a job.
Best horse-related coach since Mice Tice Riding Barbaro.

That was too much for arbiter of humor Zipper.

COME ON BROWNS. I'll draft Johnny Manziel like you want, I'm a huge fan. Johnny Cleveland! I will resurrect this franchise!

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:48 pm

Brian Schottenheimer is interviewing today for the vacancy at Vanderbilt.

Rams fans have never been so collectively behind a potential hire.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:49 pm

Rams Fanny wrote:Brian Schottenheimer is interviewing today for the vacancy at Vanderbilt.

Rams fans have never been so collectively behind a potential hire.

I'd like to be behind your avatar.

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:15 am

Kellen Winslow Jr was allegedly jacking it in a Target parking lot

His car was littered with Vaseline and empty synthetic marijuana packages. That Target is just a mile or two away from where I work. The Boston Market is back in the other direction on the same side of the highway as Target. Navigating jug handles (that same road still has a traffic circle, too) while sober is bad enough, so I can't image trying to do it high.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:27 am

Reminds me of the time a few hours earlier when Davone Bess threw coffee at a police officer at Fort Lauderdale airport.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:44 am

rass wrote:Kellen Winslow Jr was allegedly jacking it in a Target parking lot

His car was littered with Vaseline and empty synthetic marijuana packages. That Target is just a mile or two away from where I work. The Boston Market is back in the other direction on the same side of the highway as Target. Navigating jug handles (that same road still has a traffic circle, too) while sober is bad enough, so I can't image trying to do it high.

Jebus. What is with the comments arguing that your car is private property and the gov't can't regulate masturbating in your car? Never used vaseline, but do you really need 2 jars of it? What is he, Visanthe Shiancoe?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:58 am

Still nothing from the Browns? They should really hire Gunpowder.

Post by **Sabo** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:07 am

degenerasian wrote:Still nothing from the Browns? They should really hire Gunpowder.

They want to interview Adam Gase, the Broncos' offensive coordinator, but he's said he won't interview until the Broncos are out of the playoffs.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:33 pm

Sabo wrote:
degenerasian wrote:Still nothing from the Browns? They should really hire Gunpowder.
They want to interview Adam Gase, the Broncos' offensive coordinator, but he's said he won't interview until the Broncos are out of the playoffs.

Gase tells the Browns not to wait for him, because he's not interested.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:36 pm

I know the Browns are apparently quite fucked up, but a good coach could look great in a very short time with that roster. It's the perfect job - decent roster in place outside of the QB, which you get to pick. An offensive coach's dream, no?

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:38 pm

That's why they are supposedly in negotiations with the Bills(!!) DC.

Edit: or hire him.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:54 pm

Bills defense was pretty good last year. I don't see what's so !!! about that.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:59 pm

Gunpowder wrote:Bills defense was pretty good last year. I don't see what's so !!! about that.

Well, the thing is that the offensive coach you alluded to earlier was fired after one season. There had to be some other reason for his firing that will probably eventually come out.

It doesn't matter. IF they can't be good when the Bengals are the best team in the division it probably never will happen.

Sad face.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:59 pm

Typically coaches are hired from teams that have better than a 6-10 record no matter the statistics of the particular unit they coached.

While "pretty good" the Browns' D was slightly better in terms of total D. Defense seems to be in very good hands. Don't know if he'll keep Norv as OC, but common perception was that they would have gone with a offensive minded coach, unless they want to try to win 6-3.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:04 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:Bills defense was pretty good last year. I don't see what's so !!! about that.
Well, the thing is that the offensive coach you alluded to earlier was fired after one season. There had to be some other reason for his firing that will probably eventually come out.

It doesn't matter. IF they can't be good when the Bengals are the best team in the division it probably never will happen.

Sad face.

We've all heard the Manziel/QB talent judging stuff, could be that.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:06 pm

Rush2112 wrote:Typically coaches are hired from teams that have better than a 6-10 record no matter the statistics of the particular unit they coached.

While "pretty good" the Browns' D was slightly better in terms of total D. Defense seems to be in very good hands. Don't know if he'll keep Norv as OC, but common perception was that they would have gone with a offensive minded coach, unless they want to try to win 6-3.

Bill Belichick was hired away from the 8-8 Jets. I don't care what typically happens, as most typical football decisions are stupid and anyone not retarded is considered to be "innovative".

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:15 pm

Well 8-8 IS better than 6-10.

And I agree. I guess it would have been more correct to exclaim after DC rather than before.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:50 pm

Maybe they want a DC so they can hire an OC that will work with Johnny Cleveland. All I can figure.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:39 am

Gunpowder wrote:
Rush2112 wrote:Typically coaches are hired from teams that have better than a 6-10 record no matter the statistics of the particular unit they coached.

While "pretty good" the Browns' D was slightly better in terms of total D. Defense seems to be in very good hands. Don't know if he'll keep Norv as OC, but common perception was that they would have gone with a offensive minded coach, unless they want to try to win 6-3.

Bill Belichick was hired away from the 8-8 Jets. I don't care what typically happens, as most typical football decisions are stupid and anyone not retarded is considered to be "innovative".

Well, Belichick had previous head coaching experience and took the Browns to the playoffs, so that's not really a fair comparison.

Pettine coached under Rex Ryan, who got the plaudits for their defensive performance. That he was able to field a top-5 defense in Buffalo does bode well. But I was surprised they didn't go for an offensive guy as well.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:18 am

AB_skin_test wrote: That he was able to field a top-5 defense in Buffalo does bode well. But I was surprised they didn't go for an offensive guy as well.

Top 10, but yes.

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:20 am

They were #4 according to Football Outsiders:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:23 am

Rush2112 wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote: That he was able to field a top-5 defense in Buffalo does bode well. But I was surprised they didn't go for an offensive guy as well.
Top 10, but yes.

Like Grantland, I use the DVOA numbers, and they were 4th in that.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:24 am

Ah..thanks KEGGER.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:19 pm

Keg wrote:They were #4 according to Football Outsiders:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They were certainly not #4 according to a guy who watched 12 of their games this year.

The fact that the 49ers defence is ranked mid-table, behind the bills, and the Giants (who gave up 11 more points than the 49ers - a touchdown per game), tells me that these stats are fun, but meaningless.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:24 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Keg wrote:They were #4 according to Football Outsiders:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They were certainly not #4 according to a guy who watched 12 of their games this year.

The fact that the 49ers defence is ranked mid-table, behind the bills, and the Giants (who gave up 11 more points than the 49ers - a touchdown per game), tells me that these stats are fun, but meaningless.

10th in yards and 20th in points allowed, but they ranked 4th in sacks which is nice (Jacksonville! was 2nd!)

Post by **brian** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:30 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Keg wrote:They were #4 according to Football Outsiders:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They were certainly not #4 according to a guy who watched 12 of their games this year.

The fact that the 49ers defence is ranked mid-table, behind the bills, and the Giants (who gave up 11 more points than the 49ers - a touchdown per game), tells me that these stats are fun, but meaningless.

Sorry, but DVOA is hardly meaningless. It takes context of EVERY play into account and adjusts for opponent strength. You want to know what's meaningless -- ranking defenses by yards allowed (and to a lesser extent, points allowed). That's meaningless.