Crazy reading about all of the complex multi-level infrastructure we have in place to fight them (which under other circumstances would be interesting to learn about on its own) and it just fails because it was quickly and fully overwhelmed.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:58 pm
by phxgators
There a fire burning up between Sedona and Flagstaff right now that is in pretty rugged terrain. They aren't even really trying to fight it other than by setting up fire lines at the nearest roads they can use to try to contain it. They have been able to protect the homes originally threatened, but they still expect it to get to about 20,000 acres before it's contained. Sadly, that's not that big for some of the fires we've had here over the last several years. There was one that burned over a half million acres 2 or 3 years ago.
We didn't have a very wet winter and monsoon season will be here soon, it wouldn't surprise me if we have another bad fire season here.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:15 pm
by sancarlos
phxgators wrote:There a fire burning up between Sedona and Flagstaff right now that is in pretty rugged terrain. They aren't even really trying to fight it other than by setting up fire lines at the nearest roads they can use to try to contain it. They have been able to protect the homes originally threatened, but they still expect it to get to about 20,000 acres before it's contained. Sadly, that's not that big for some of the fires we've had here over the last several years. There was one that burned over a half million acres 2 or 3 years ago.
We didn't have a very wet winter and monsoon season will be here soon, it wouldn't surprise me if we have another bad fire season here.
For the long weekend, we were up in the Sierras, just south of the Lake Tahoe area. It is dry as tinder up there, and the locals we spoke to are really dreading the inevitable fires they'll be dealing with this summer.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:24 pm
by brian
The only possible saving grace is if an El Nino cycle really is starting as some meteorologists suspect. If true, it should result in more summer rain than average. Otherwise...it's going to be a horrific summer all over the West.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:58 pm
by Shirley
phxgators wrote:There a fire burning up between Sedona and Flagstaff right now that is in pretty rugged terrain. They aren't even really trying to fight it other than by setting up fire lines at the nearest roads they can use to try to contain it. They have been able to protect the homes originally threatened, but they still expect it to get to about 20,000 acres before it's contained. Sadly, that's not that big for some of the fires we've had here over the last several years. There was one that burned over a half million acres 2 or 3 years ago.
We didn't have a very wet winter and monsoon season will be here soon, it wouldn't surprise me if we have another bad fire season here.
So I know wildfires are a natural part of the ecosystem out there, but do you know if they are naturally of this size and/or frequency? Or has human deforestation and yard-watering affected the amount of dry tinder out there? Also, I guess we're probably starting a lot of these fires too, right?
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 4:56 pm
by phxgators
Shirley wrote:
phxgators wrote:There a fire burning up between Sedona and Flagstaff right now that is in pretty rugged terrain. They aren't even really trying to fight it other than by setting up fire lines at the nearest roads they can use to try to contain it. They have been able to protect the homes originally threatened, but they still expect it to get to about 20,000 acres before it's contained. Sadly, that's not that big for some of the fires we've had here over the last several years. There was one that burned over a half million acres 2 or 3 years ago.
We didn't have a very wet winter and monsoon season will be here soon, it wouldn't surprise me if we have another bad fire season here.
So I know wildfires are a natural part of the ecosystem out there, but do you know if they are naturally of this size and/or frequency? Or has human deforestation and yard-watering affected the amount of dry tinder out there? Also, I guess we're probably starting a lot of these fires too, right?
My guess would be at least half of the fires each season are human caused. Either someone leaving a campfire behind that wasn't put out all the way, someone tossing a cigarette out their car window, even a hot tailpipe parked up against some dry grass.... In the 13 years I've been out here, it's not at all uncommon for there to be at least a couple of fires of 10,000+ acres each season. Every once in a while we'll have one that gets to 100,000+.
There are a few issues affecting the forests in the northern part of the state. Obviously, it's dry here, but some winters are particularly dry - meaning there is a lot of dried up/dead vegetation ready to fuel a fire. Some forests have also had infestations of bark beetles, killing trees in their wake, so there is no shortage of fuel there. And, something that article on Yarnell touched on, in trying to manage forest fires, they may not happen as often but with the extra years worth of growth, there is more to burn when there is a fire.
Luckily, this isn't an issue in places like the Phoenix metro area, though smaller brush fires do still happen. There's just not enough for much of any sustained fire.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 5:05 pm
by rass
One of the points the article makes is that we've almost gotten too good at fighting fires for our own good. Areas that haven't had a good burn (enough to take out the undergrowth but leave the bigger trees) in sometime (in part because we spent decades putting out fires too fast, and part because there are more areas we try to protect now due to development) have built up a lot of potential fuel. Add that to the current drought and it's a bad situation, no matter how he fire starts.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:59 pm
by Gunpowder
MUTATED SUPERFIRES
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:34 am
by Jerloma
Nope.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:16 am
by howard
sancarlos wrote:For the long weekend, we were up in the Sierras, just south of the Lake Tahoe area. It is dry as tinder up there, and the locals we spoke to are really dreading the inevitable fires they'll be dealing with this summer.
That fire near Hwy 50 about halfway up from Sacramento to South Lake is a shock. Never would have thought that part of the world would be dry enough for a big wildfire. Shit, they get snow most years in Pollock Pines and vicinity.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:39 pm
by Jerloma
Nope.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:46 pm
by An Echidna
BSF21 wrote:How does "An echidna" have 5 posts?
Jerloma most certainly should get all of the credit for putting the "random thoughts" concept over in the Swamp.
I'm guessing the theory is they're never gunna survive unless they are a little crazy.
Not gonna watch that video...
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:01 pm
by Johnnie
It's what happens when the Sealfisting league goes defunct. They're frightened, confused, and cannot handle readjusting to a normal life. PTSD is a motherfucker. Or should I say penguinfucker.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:16 pm
by howard
Post Traumatic Sealfisting-league-termination Disorder
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:29 pm
by Shirley
"No, no. It's just ice cream!"
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:47 pm
by howard
Shirley wrote:"No, no. It's just ice cream!"
I love that joke.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:29 am
by Johnnie
More penguin slaughter. See if you don't recoil in horror and possibly lose your lunch during this video.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:43 am
by An Echidna
18,000 Hungarian Forint for a rub, rub, rub, rub, tug, tug, tug, tug & blow from a hot Vizsla is totally worth it.
In keeping with the thread though, I think I have mutant Feline AIDS. Dirty bitch.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:13 am
by Pruitt
Why I will never set foot in Africa - Reason #537
Hippos.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:29 am
by The Sybian
Holy fuck they can swim fast. The video below is a good starting point to help GPJ write the next song in his series of animal safety tips. How to survive a hippo attack:
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:42 pm
by Jerloma
Weasel don't give a shit...
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:51 pm
by Shirley
Who wants to go for a dip? Any open sores?
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:55 pm
by The Sybian
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:05 pm
by DC47
Ah, another Chris Christie infrastructure project in Jersey.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:40 am
by Jerloma
Damn. What happened from there? Do you have the story?
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:03 am
by Gunpowder
Asked my buddy Google and sure enough he had the scoop
DC47 wrote:Ah, another Chris Christie infrastructure project in Jersey.
More like Boston's Big Dig. I saw a longer video that wouldn't embed. The front wheels fell into hole, and all the passengers walked off the bus before it fell in. Fucking crazy how it gets thrown around like a toy.
Re: Nature is Horrifying
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 am
by An Echidna
The Sybian wrote:Fucking crazy how it gets thrown around like a toy.
Maybe "tour bus dropped down a Brazilian sinkhole" could replace "hot dog down a hallway" as a euphemism for, you know... I mean, it's a situation I've certainly never personally encountered, but I'm sure you bunch of goanna dicks know what I'm talking about.