The kinds of calls and witness reports you get in situations like these (in my experience with much smaller incidents) are always conflicting juuuust enough to lead you to believe you may have another assailant involved.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:59 am
by howard
No doubt. I don't mean to criticize cops on this count. I'll criticize the media a little bit on this. But it is more interesting than anything else that this particular 'fog of war' error is so frequent, approaching 100% frequency.
I hope the folks arrested in such situations who are completely innocent are treated well, which is usually the case (like in San Berdoo). Also hope they aren't shot, which happens on occasion.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:08 pm
by Steve of phpBB
howard wrote:Quick note. In Baton Rouge, in Dallas, in San Bernadino, á Nice, inside the Batalacan club. Each of these mass murders, for at least several hours if not a day or two, police and authorities were searching for a second gunman. (In San Berdoo, a third gunman, since there actually were two.) Usually, they even make arrests, all spurious.
Some folks suggest there is never a second gunman. I wouldn't say never, but almost always they say there is a second gunman, and there is not. File that fact away.
Wasn't there a missing second or third participant in the Oklahoma City bombing?
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:19 pm
by howard
Geez, I can't remember that far back. Didn't they prosecute a second person, but he wasn't anywhere close to the scene, more aided and abetted.
eta: Yeah, Terry Nichols, helped build the truck bomb. Serving life on federal charges, also convicted on state charges. Interesting tidbit, the supermax cell block where he is housed at Florence, Co he shares with Ramsi Yousef (first WTC bombing) and Ted Kaczynski; it's called Bomber's Row.
I can't remember if that day they announced they were searching for a second. Nichols turned himself in two days later; McVeigh was stopped for driving without plates a couple of hours after the bombing. A third accomplice, Michael Fornier, was caught later. All according to the wiki.
You should credit DC for pointing out the lyrics' significance to us. (In the old guy music thread).
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:43 pm
by howard
This shit leads to cops being murdered by nut jobs. Just a fact; no judgment. Another fact, this crap happens way more often than cops being murdered. Like all the damn time. With increasing frequency, coinciding with the camouflage and tanks and militarization, but I'm sure that is just a coincidence.
Jesus, that one defies explanation. Honestly, other than a dude literally accidentally pulling the trigger - which is also inexcusable, but in a different way - what explains this?
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:45 am
by howard
Shirley wrote:Jesus, that one defies explanation.
Really. Defies explanation. Cuz I got an explanation.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:41 am
by Brontoburglar
this was fun to read this morning
He wasn't taking about buying items from other countries, he was talking other countries affecting the principles this country was founded on. If you want to speak another language as your first language, then move to that country. Otherwise, take the time to speak English if you're gonna take to take advantage of free Healthcare in this country. Writers like you are the reason this has had the recent cop killings....you twisty stuff around and cause drama. I applaud you on that ability. Is that a talent that's learned or born into someone like you?
my bad...
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:05 am
by duff
howard wrote:
Shirley wrote:Jesus, that one defies explanation.
Really. Defies explanation. Cuz I got an explanation.
A black man's hands are lethal weapons. They were up in the air in a fighting stance. And it is better to shoot a black man then an autistic man. No one cares about black people.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:02 pm
by rass
howard wrote:
Shirley wrote:Jesus, that one defies explanation.
Really. Defies explanation. Cuz I got an explanation.
I like how the police chief happens to be named Gordon Ramsay.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:18 am
by howard
A Brief History of the "War on Cops": The False Allegation That Enables Police Violence
Long piece. This bullshit idea that there is a war on cops is paired with the greatly exaggerated danger of police work, which is rarely countered or challenged (taxi drivers and bartenders are statistically more dangerous occupations, along with several others.)
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:03 am
by Gunpowder
I have said as much before and wondered why people don't thank, say, construction workers for doing such a diffuclt and dangerous job.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:04 am
by brian
Gunpowder wrote:I have said as much before and wondered why people don't thank, say, construction workers for doing such a diffuclt and dangerous job.
I agree with the general sentiment but taxi drivers and construction workers entire reason d'être isn't keeping the public safe. I don't think police should be venerated the way they are, nor should the risk of their job be overstated, but it is a little different when a cop is killed in the line of duty compared to a bartender.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:54 pm
by Gunpowder
I guess, but I'm sure that there is some dangerous bridge job or something that keeps the public safe.
mister d wrote:The one time they should have shot first.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:20 am
by Johnnie
The 2A crowd is creaming themselves over their good guy with a gun hero completely sidestepping the issue of his extensive training and firearms background. Plus, he stopped a dude with a knife.
Simultaneously, the overlap of these types which undoubtedly fall into the #BluesLivesMatter crowd are doing the required mental gymnastics to justify the shooting of an unarmed black man.
And that later situation is just horrifying. The video shows everything. He was being compliant and was still taken down.
Also, as many have noted on Twitter, a terrorist bombing his way through NY and NJ was taken alive, but yet this guy pulled over for a traffic stop was murdered.
Fucking America, man.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:22 am
by tennbengal
The Tulsa thing is horrible. Like the others. Maybe worse.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:39 am
by L-Jam3
tennbengal wrote:The Tulsa thing is horrible. Like the others. Maybe worse.
This to me clinches 2016 as the 4th shittiest year for America since WWII after the Big Three of 1963, 1968, and 2001.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:42 am
by mister d
But two upstate NY cops are suspended for killing a groundhog with a golf cart. We are the best country.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:17 am
by brian
L-Jam3 wrote:
tennbengal wrote:The Tulsa thing is horrible. Like the others. Maybe worse.
This to me clinches 2016 as the 4th shittiest year for America since WWII after the Big Three of 1963, 1968, and 2001.
Just wait until Trump wins in November before making your final rankings.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:10 pm
by howard
L-Jam3 wrote:This to me clinches 2016 as the 4th shittiest year for America since WWII after the Big Three of 1963, 1968, and 2001.
I saw something the other day, making the point that if the Mayans had ended their calendar this year instead of 2012 they might've been on to something.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:02 pm
by howard
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:59 am
by The Sybian
mister d wrote:But two upstate NY cops are suspended for killing a groundhog with a golf cart. We are the best country.
Must have been an albino groundhog.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:50 pm
by howard
Wait for it…
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:00 pm
by mister d
I see the pattern but I can't tell what its supposed to be.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:01 pm
by A_B
mister d wrote:I see the pattern but I can't tell what its supposed to be.
theyre only shooting the black parts.
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:02 pm
by mister d
Oh. I guess I don't see color.
(There was a lot of a 2-1-2-1 pattern going so I was staring to see if my eyes would go blurry and it would create a swastika or something.)
Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:35 am
by Johnnie
2 to the chest. 1 to the head.
And it's linear because the black guy is laying on the ground already.
The corporate state needs to create the illusion that the courts and the police are impartial and just. Once this illusion is cemented into the public consciousness, victims can be blamed for their oppression. Institutionalized murder becomes acceptable. Police violence becomes part of the cost of keeping us safe. The oppressed have no legitimacy or voice.
The corporate state is interested only in fostering these illusions. Reforms will be, as they have been in the past, cosmetic. What advances have we made since police murdered Michael Brown two years ago in Ferguson? Have the some 200 civilian review boards across the country, most of them toothless and ineffectual, prevented police from gunning down people in our streets or brought the killers to justice? Police have killed over 700 people this year. The illusions of reform are used to alter public consciousness rather than the machinery of corporate power. These illusions are created to reassure us that those that are arrested, beaten, killed or sent away to prison for decades deserve their fate.
Yes, the state may admit, there is an abuse committed here or an injustice committed there, but the system itself, the state insists, is fundamentally fair and just. This is a lie the elites go to tremendous lengths to disseminate.
This could've been written in any decade of my adult life and been just as true and relevant. Having lots of videos now with be just as effective as the Rodney King video 25 years ago.
