How to play the Media 101

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:51 pm

After missing the boat on the Sterling fiasco, the NCAA wasn't going to allow this opportunity slip away.

Penn State eligibility reinstatement follows the Ray Rice news.

Eta: grammar

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:52 pm

The NCAA totally on point with how to dump news, yes. Almost applause worthy, the timing.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:54 pm

tennbengal wrote:The NCAA totally on point with how to dump news, yes. Almost applause worthy, the timing.

Purely coincidence, I'm sure. I am just imagining the discussions here. Decision made weeks ago, just waiting for a big enough scandal to drop. Wait 5 minutes, and hit send. Brilliant, really.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:18 pm

Shit, the NBA did the same thing with the Hawks owner shit coming out during first weekend of football games.

nastyned · Post by **nastyned** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:51 pm

Report says "Due to Penn State University's significant progress toward ensuring its athletics department functions with integrity" they lifted the sanctions.

How do they know progress was made? What is the test of integrity? What is the imperical evidence that integrity has been restored?

I call BS

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:53 pm

nastyned wrote:Report says "Due to Penn State University's significant progress toward ensuring its athletics department functions with integrity" they lifted the sanctions.

How do they know progress was made? What is the test of integrity? What is the imperical evidence that integrity has been restored?

I call BS

On a graph, presumably number of boys raped in the shower and then covered up has gone back down to 0? Or close to 0?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:58 pm

MLB also announces that the World Series will most likely be in November net season.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:07 pm

Have they fired all parties involved in the scandal?

Actually I guess they have to have at this point.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:10 pm

Anything Congress does over Christmas/holiday breaks assuming this goes beyond sports discussions.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:10 pm

When does the Joe Pa statue come out of mothballs?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:38 pm

Pruitt wrote:When does the Joe Pa statue come out of mothballs?

I'm surprised a throng of idiots haven't broken it out and put it back up where it was by now.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:41 pm

FWIW, this was rumored to happen Friday and it didn't (which would have been criticized as another newsdump move)

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:16 pm

Bronto - to be fair, the rumor was out there for longer than that. I was taking about it with one of the guys in my auction league about it. He's an alum. In any event, the actualization of the news immediately following the Rice news was impeccably timed. They were just waiting for something worthwhile to happen and they got it.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:22 pm

teeteebee wrote:Bronto - to be fair, the rumor was out there for longer than that. I was taking about it with one of the guys in my auction league about it. He's an alum. In any event, the actualization of the news immediately following the Rice news was impeccably timed. They were just waiting for something worthwhile to happen and they got it.

Right. But I'm specifically referencing timing.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:23 pm

Gunpowder wrote:
Pruitt wrote:When does the Joe Pa statue come out of mothballs?

I'm surprised a throng of idiots haven't broken it out and put it back up where it was by now.

Just like the 60s when passionate college students protested the war. Now it's just the war against those prudes who don't want a statue up for a guy who ignored/enabled sexual assault of kids in his locker room.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random ... ife-stuff/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:39 pm

He was just a nice old man! He didn't even know that a penis could go ... in a ... a butt? An anus I think its called? Not a chance, sir!

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:41 pm

Gunpowder wrote:
Pruitt wrote:When does the Joe Pa statue come out of mothballs?

I'm surprised a throng of idiots haven't broken it out and put it back up where it was by now.

And...

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/08/penn-s ... he-statue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:06 am

teeteebee wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
Pruitt wrote:When does the Joe Pa statue come out of mothballs?

I'm surprised a throng of idiots haven't broken it out and put it back up where it was by now.

And...

http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/08/penn-s ... he-statue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fuck these people.

Post by **brian** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:44 am

So the NCAA is saying that a multi-year coverup for a child predator to be allowed to molest dozens of young boys from the coaching staff up to the athletic director and the president of the university is equivalent to players receiving impermissible benefits (USC, 2011-2013).

Got it.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:46 am

brian wrote:So the NCAA is saying that a multi-year coverup for a child predator to be able to molest dozens of young boys from the coaching staff up to the athletic director and the president of the university is equivalent to players receiving impermissible benefits (USC, 2011-2013).

Got it.

But I think we can all agree that if the events of the Penn State scandal had happened at a small revenue school like Idaho or Central Michigan, the NCAA would not have rescinded the penalties quite so fast.

Maybe Godell's next job should be running the NCAA?

Post by **brian** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:07 am

Idaho or CMU would have probably had their athletics privileges revoked by the NCAA to begin with. Which would have been an acceptable punishment for Penn State in my opinion.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:04 pm

brian wrote:So the NCAA is saying that a multi-year coverup for a child predator to be allowed to molest dozens of young boys from the coaching staff up to the athletic director and the president of the university is equivalent to players receiving impermissible benefits (USC, 2011-2013).

Got it.

YEah, but fuck Lane Kiffin.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:32 pm

Goddell should resign during Obama's speech tonight.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:34 pm

Obama should invade Iraq during Goodell's resignation speech.

testuser2 · Post by **testuser2** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:45 am

brian wrote:So the NCAA is saying that a multi-year coverup for a child predator to be allowed to molest dozens of young boys from the coaching staff up to the athletic director and the president of the university is equivalent to players receiving impermissible benefits (USC, 2011-2013).

Got it.

I've stayed out of the Sandusky threads up to now. Mostly this is to avoid the trolling that occurs. However, I hold the swamp to a higher standard. So if you really want to know what's going on instead of the media narrative then ask questions. Along with many other alums and employees I've been trying to educate myself on what really happened.

In response to the above quote. Sandusky was no longer employeed after the 1999 season. The first set of charges were investigated in 1998 by the DA. At that time nothing was done. A year later he retired. So the earliest incident went through the proper channels and nothing was done. I don't see what PSU could have done differently here. They did grant him facility access on his retirement which is typical for someone with his tenure. Other than that the initial incident was investigated by the police and no charges filed.

The McQuery incident occurred in 2002. This is where the possible coverup may lie. There are pending lawsuits with gag orders on what actually happened in the reporting process. The lawsuits are for the AD/finance/president. It's difficult to determine what the outcomes will be. A leading thought is that the charges will be dropped after the fall elections.

For many reasons I also no longer regard the Freeh report as fact.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:00 am

I think a lot of PSU / Paterno defenders (not necessarily you) tend to intentionally conflate "Paterno did nothing illegal" with "Paterno did nothing wrong". And they tend to pretend that "no one ever blasts Spanier" is some deep point rather than a simple reflection of them not being willing to also defend Spanier to the death.

Post by **brian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:27 am

They allowed someone who they either knew or at a bare minimum SUSPECTED of being a child molester access to their facilities, upon which said facilities at least one additional molestation occurred. From what I know, those facts are irrefutable regardless of what you think of the Freeh Report. Penn State fans are so comically paranoid and delusional. You fuckers are lucky the football program wasn't shut down for good. If I were in charge of the NCAA, that's what I would have done.

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:27 am

brian wrote:They allowed someone who they either knew or at a bare minimum SUSPECTED of being a child molester access to their facilities, upon which said facilities at least one additional molestation occurred. From what I know, those facts are irrefutable regardless of what you think of the Freeh Report. Penn State fans are so comically paranoid and delusional. You fuckers are lucky the football program wasn't shut down for good. If I were in charge of the NCAA, that's what I would have done.

Further, a PSU assistant coach (McQuery) witnessed Sandusky fucking a kid in the showers and he told authorities, including Paterno. This was several years after the initial investigation. And yet, nobody told authorities and Sandusky was still allowed to hang out on campus and in the locker rooms with little boys for years afterward.

The Rice stuff pales in comparison.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:39 am

testuser2 wrote: There are pending lawsuits with gag orders on what actually happened in the reporting process.

I thought Sandusky was already convicted for his gag orders.

testuser2 · Post by **testuser2** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:13 pm

Shirley wrote:
brian wrote:They allowed someone who they either knew or at a bare minimum SUSPECTED of being a child molester access to their facilities, upon which said facilities at least one additional molestation occurred. From what I know, those facts are irrefutable regardless of what you think of the Freeh Report. Penn State fans are so comically paranoid and delusional. You fuckers are lucky the football program wasn't shut down for good. If I were in charge of the NCAA, that's what I would have done.
Further, a PSU assistant coach (McQuery) witnessed Sandusky fucking a kid in the showers and he told authorities, including Paterno. This was several years after the initial investigation. And yet, nobody told authorities and Sandusky was still allowed to hang out on campus and in the locker rooms with little boys for years afterward.

The Rice stuff pales in comparison.

A few items
1) I have no idea why they gave him access to the facilities when he retired. I also can't understand why it wasn't revoked/suspended after 2002. I'm hoping this comes out in the Spanier/Curley/Schultz trials.

2) That isn't what happened with McQueary. Sandusky was found not guilty(different than innocent) on that rape charge. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... mplet.html So even though this is the most inflammatory and supposedly established facts it's also one of the only ones were he was found not guilty. McQueary's description to Paterno is much more subdued and is in the doc. He also didn't tell authorities. His dad, a family friend and Paterno. Nor did he stop it. This is a good comparison of what he actually said http://www.emf.intherough.net/Analysis% ... nies-2.pdf

-Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving Mike’s report at his home on a Saturday morning.
-Paterno testified that Mike was very upset and told him he saw Jerry ‘fondling, or whatever you may call it. I’m not sure wh
at the term would be. I’m not sure exactly what it was. I knew some kind of inappropriate action was taken by Jerry with a youngster.’
- Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next
day, a Sunday, and reported to Tim that Mike had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.*
(p. 7 and p. 175 of Curley/Schultz Preliminary Hearing)
* [Author’s note: Joe Paterno DID NOT testify as to exactly what he told Curley. JVP answered ‘yes’ to: ‘Was the
information you passed along (to Tim) substantially the same that Mike had given you?
(p. 177 of Curley/Schultz Preliminary Hearing, Transcript from Grand Jury Testimony)

3) My view... This has nothing to do with athletics. Clery/law enforcement should bring the hammer. What the NCAA did was reactionary. Take a look at what has happened since(sanction reduction/NCAA lawsuits).

Lastly... I'll forever be disappointed in Paterno. He didn't do anything illegal, but he also didn't do anything to help. There is so much more he could have done, but he chose not to. The same goes for everyone involved. I also feel that there is still a coverup. PSU's legal council and BOT are really trying to end any investigations into what they new and did.

Please don't try to categorize me as one of those delusional PSU fans. You'd be surprised by how much bad information is now taken as fact.

Post by **brian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:32 pm

Put this another way, would you argue this statement is NOT true?

"Some Penn State coaches and administrators acted in a matter that allowed a person they suspected to be a child molester to continue to molest children."

I don't see how that point is arguable. You can argue the margins and minutiae, but the athletic department and the football program deserved to be punished. And especially now that the NCAA is lifting the punishment, Penn State is lucky the punishment wasn't much worse. The NCAA is effectively saying that Penn State's transgressions were equivalent to a university that conspired to pay its players. I vehemently disagree.

testuser2 · Post by **testuser2** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:29 pm

brian wrote:You can argue the margins and minutiae, but the athletic department and the football program deserved to be punished. And especially now that the NCAA is lifting the punishment, Penn State is lucky the punishment wasn't much worse. The NCAA is effectively saying that Penn State's transgressions were equivalent to a university that conspired to pay its players. I vehemently disagree.

I think this is where we hold different opinions. The main fault lies with the universities administrators that allowed for the abuse to continue. Legally the athletic area did what they were required. The legal failure occurred somewhere up the reporting chain. This isn't meant to absolve the athletic department of their ethical responsibility. McQueary should have stopped what he saw and called the police. Paterno should have assured that the information reported to him was investigated.

What makes this completely absurd is that the procedures PSU used are those presented by the NCAA in their sexual assualt handbook.

During my initial reading of the Freeh report and it's supporting documents I completely agreed that the problem was in the PSU athletic department. After more information came out and watching the actions of the PSU Board of Trustees, PSU Legal Counsel, and the NCAA it looks more like they found a scapegoat and are trying to hide their own failures.

For instance... the PSU Board is mostly non-elected members. The executive board is entirely non-elected members. They have circled the wagon over the past few years. The explanation that seems to fit is that they hired Freeh to deflect the blame from their own members. Some of which were also board members at Sandusky's charity(second mile).

I will also say that I support the university. Athletics happen to be the public way in which you see that support. I am much more concerned that the PSU administation failed in reporting/ending the abuse. That fact overrides what I see as the shortcoming in athletics.

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:57 pm

I'm pretty strong in my belief that fondling a kid in the showers isn't materially different from fucking a kid in the showers in many levels other than the actual physical motions.

testuser2 · Post by **testuser2** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:00 am

Shirley wrote:I'm pretty strong in my belief that fondling a kid in the showers isn't materially different from fucking a kid in the showers in many levels other than the actual physical motions.

I wish I knew what happened in the reporting of that incident. No matter where this was covered up Paterno failed to push for an investigation.

My point with bringing up that occurrence is to show how many of the supposed facts are not really correct. It was not to decrease Paterno's culpability.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:14 am

Not sure where my friend heard this, maybe it was widely reported, but I guess there were some "Joe Pa is in Hell" t-shirts at the Rutgers game this weekend.

testuser2 · Post by **testuser2** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:15 am

I'm not sure why Rutgers has such a high amount of hate for PSU. The rest of the B1G doesn't seem to.

A few tailgating photos from saturday

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:26 am

I'm guessing half is about PSU's very weird pull on the PA-DE-NJ region among lots of non-grads and half is about distaste for the pedophilia scandal.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:27 am

(Serious answer: At this point, I think a lot of people are backlashing against the students and a sub-section of the alum who seemed far more concerned with Paterno's legacy than the actual victims.)

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:47 pm

mister d wrote:(Serious answer: At this point, I think a lot of people are backlashing against the students and a sub-section of the alum who seemed far more concerned with Paterno's legacy than the actual victims.)

Or they are college kids and think it is funny and edgy, and a way to show support for your school's team. I don't there is much thought beyond that.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:40 pm

The Sybian wrote:
mister d wrote:(Serious answer: At this point, I think a lot of people are backlashing against the students and a sub-section of the alum who seemed far more concerned with Paterno's legacy than the actual victims.)

Or they are college kids and think it is funny and edgy, and a way to show support for your school's team. I don't there is much thought beyond that.

I think that's a dad on the right