Brainbo wrote:For the record, I don't have a dick. Enjoy it greatly under appropriate circumstances, but don't have one of my own. You understand that, don't you brooshkin?
Seriously -- cut the fucking personal attacks.
Edited after some time to stop being annoyed: On further review, screw it. Keep them coming. People here have much worse said about them. I have a dick? Perfect. I'm officially a self-sustaining woman.
and wilbon doesn't know what he's talking about. when it comes to a situation concerning a complaint made against a teacher, many school districts suspend that teacher right away, just to cover their ass. this school district conducted an investigation and found that this situation was blown way out of proportion. can't find the link, but, no other students have come out and coroborated the story of this student. and students will tell the truth.Jerloma wrote:That's always dangerous. What's Wilbon's take?brooshkin wrote:Just caught this on PTI. I agree with Wilbon.
That's what I was thinking. He seems to disregard the fact that there was an investigation and the teacher was for all intenses purposes, absolved.PresidentCerrano wrote:and wilbon doesn't know what he's talking about. when it comes to a situation concerning a complaint made against a teacher, many school districts suspend that teacher right away, just to cover their ass. this school district conducted an investigation and found that this situation was blown way out of proportion. can't find the link, but, no other students have come out and coroborated the story of this student. and students will tell the truth.Jerloma wrote:That's always dangerous. What's Wilbon's take?brooshkin wrote:Just caught this on PTI. I agree with Wilbon.
while the following is speculation, is it logical to assume that this teacher has made absolutely no enemies among the student body and that this is the first time this kind of incident occurred with this teacher? as a veteran teacher, a pattern would have been established and other students, alumni and current, would have come forward to say that this teacher has done this in the past.
Brainbo wrote:Just thought I'd send a little update from the Steel City. As far as I can tell, Joshua wasn't, in fact, giving all of the pertinent details to the press. But, hey, he got a recliner signed by John Elway (you know, of the Elway line of recliners), so perhaps that makes him feel like it was worth it. Oh, and he gets the option to drop the class.
The Big Beaver Falls Area School District said it will not take any disciplinary action against a high school teacher accused of humiliating a student who wore a Denver Broncos jersey to his class.
John Kelly "has already been the brunt of adverse public opinion and the school district does not believe discipline is warranted or would serve any purpose," said a news release issued yesterday by the school district.
More than a week after Beaver Falls High School student Joshua Vannoy told newspapers from Pittsburgh to Denver that he was humiliated by Mr. Kelly for wearing a Broncos jersey to school two days before the Steelers won the AFC Championship game against the Broncos, Joshua has returned to school and school administrators have completed their investigation.
Joshua, 17, complained that Mr. Kelly, a hard core Steelers fan, didn't like his Broncos jersey and forced him to sit on the floor while taking his mid-term examination in the honors ethnic relations class. Mr. Kelly offered other students, who sat in a circle of desks around Joshua, extra points on their test for throwing wads of paper at him.
During the investigation, the administrators talked to the teacher, all witnesses and Joshua, who returned to school on Monday. Although the administrators found nothing false in Joshua's version of events, they explained in their news release that the ethnic relations course is a popular elective taken by honor students.
"As part of the course, students are often singled out to exemplify uncomfortable treatment and students who enroll in the course are aware of this fact," the statement said.
"Face to face discussions and interaction among students and with the instructor sitting in a circle is a normal classroom setting for this course."
The investigation found there was "no grabbing or name-calling. Although his instructor and other classmates tossed crumpled paper at the student, it did not occur during the actual exam."
Neither Joshua nor his attorney, Nicholas Frisk III, could be reached yesterday. School Superintendent Donna Nugent and Principal Thomas Karczewski also could not be reached.
In earlier interviews, Joshua and his attorney said Joshua had been receiving "nasty" messages from classmates who disapprove of him causing trouble for Mr. Kelly, a popular teacher. Mr. Frisk advised Joshua to stay home until the school could arrange for his safe return.
Mr. Kelly also played a role in that process.
"The teacher himself had previously addressed the student body requesting that they show respect for Josh and not allow this matter to be blown further out of proportion," according to the school district's statement. "The teacher personally apologized to the student, explaining that he had no intentions of upsetting the student and that it was meant as a joke."
Lee Price, whose law firm represents the Big Beaver Falls Area School District, said Joshua will have the option of dropping Mr. Kelly's class, but he did not know yesterday if that would happen.
"As far as the district is concerned, this is over and we believe this has put the matter behind everyone, particularly for Josh and the teacher," he said.
the administrators found nothing false in Joshua's version of events
Joshua had been receiving "nasty" messages from classmates who disapprove of him causing trouble for Mr. Kelly, a popular teacher. Mr. Frisk advised Joshua to stay home until the school could arrange for his safe return.
Although his instructor and other classmates tossed crumpled paper at the student, it did not occur during the actual exam."
Word.Brooshkin wrote:"As far as the district is concerned, this is over and we believe this has put the matter behind everyone, particularly for Josh and the teacher," he said.
It might be a stretch but I don't think the matter has been put behind for the kid. For the teacher maybe ...
Nice cherry-picking with the quotes. How come you didn't choose this one?sancarloskid wrote:the administrators found nothing false in Joshua's version of eventsJoshua had been receiving "nasty" messages from classmates who disapprove of him causing trouble for Mr. Kelly, a popular teacher. Mr. Frisk advised Joshua to stay home until the school could arrange for his safe return.Although his instructor and other classmates tossed crumpled paper at the student, it did not occur during the actual exam."Word.Brooshkin wrote:"As far as the district is concerned, this is over and we believe this has put the matter behind everyone, particularly for Josh and the teacher," he said.
It might be a stretch but I don't think the matter has been put behind for the kid. For the teacher maybe ...
Some folks here have publicly said "the kid deserved it.", and now say the kid basically made something out of nothing. Others say it was a tempest in a teapot and we should move on - that darn Wilbon!
To that I must ask, if it is no big deal, then why is the kid feeling the need to transfer t a new school? Obviously, this has taken a mob mentality turn among the students and the kid has been harassed to the point he needs to transfer. Pretty damned poor judgement by the teacher, but the teacher has suffered enough and deserves no punishment. Bullshit.
On a totally different matter, I started a thread and basically compared John Elway to Terrell Owens. Nothing from you. I think you're going soft."As part of the course, students are often singled out to exemplify uncomfortable treatment and students who enroll in the course are aware of this fact," the statement said.
Dave, my beef is that the half-assed excuse the school put forth for not punishing the teacher is bullshit. I just don't see at all how folks hereabouts are reading it and then saying, "Ohhh, the teacher was not acting incorrectly - he was wronged here." The kid may not be 100% pure, but the teacher is much less so, and he just got a free pass for his bullshit act. Nice example for the students.Dave wrote: I mean, did anyone here really think it would end any other way? Even if they fired the teacher on the spot, would it have made one bit of difference? No, it probably would have been worse, because the teacher not only sounds like he was popular, but he tried to limit the damage to this kid. Unfortunately, there's no way to tell teenagers not to be brutal to kids who are asking for it.
I feel bad for the kid. I do. It's a tough lesson, but it's one that he shouldn't have needed to learn this way.
Well, it may well be that the school (and school board) was mighty pissed at the kid for going to the press with his story so that they had to deal with a flood of media requests. And it is also quite likely that the teacher's version of how it really went down was corroborated by several other students.sancarloskid wrote:Dave, my beef is that the half-assed excuse the school put forth for not punishing the teacher is bullshit. I just don't see at all how folks hereabouts are reading it and then saying, "Ohhh, the teacher was not acting incorrectly - he was wronged here." The kid may not be 100% pure, but the teacher is much less so, and he just got a free pass for his bullshit act. Nice example for the students.Dave wrote: I mean, did anyone here really think it would end any other way? Even if they fired the teacher on the spot, would it have made one bit of difference? No, it probably would have been worse, because the teacher not only sounds like he was popular, but he tried to limit the damage to this kid. Unfortunately, there's no way to tell teenagers not to be brutal to kids who are asking for it.
I feel bad for the kid. I do. It's a tough lesson, but it's one that he shouldn't have needed to learn this way.
Would have been different if he wasn't doing it in the name of the popular home team, methinks.
