OK, I admit it, I am a homer. I am from Kentucky, and I watched Couch play in high school.
I am interested in what people outside of Kentucky think about him. I am honest enough to realize he has been less than great, but the newspaper coverage around here is always Pro - Couch, Anti-Browns when it comes to anything pseudo-negative.
I was also a Browns fan before Modell's Move, so I am an interested party on both sides.
My feelings are that he needs to get out and get a fresh start, aka Jake Plummer.
Any other thoughts?
I'm gonna get banned from posting here at this rate.
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Couch definitely needs a fresh start. I like him as a person and a player, but Holcumb really brought out the best in the team. Plus Tim and Cleveland fans have never clicked. It would be best for all parties if he could go somewhere else.
And that somewhere else should be Big D.
And that somewhere else should be Big D.
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If Jerry Jones had his way, Troy Aikman would be playing into his sixties.Charlesworth wrote:And that somewhere else should be Big D.
Dallas doesn't need another young, mediocre QB. Couch needs to be a backup somewhere like Green Bay, San Fran, or Oakland, and learn to handle the stress from an established QB. Well, Gannon may be a bad example, but you get the idea.
Philly would be another nice place, only because Andy Reid has done wonders with nobodies like Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley.
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If Cleveland gets some decent talent for Couch to throw to then you would see a drastic improvement in them. Last year he throw for almost 3,000 yards while completing 61% of his passes. His top reciever had 56 cathces last year, and the Browns draft no recievers and sign none in the off season. It is not all Couch's fault.
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I actually think Cleveland has a lot of offensive talent. Four WRs, Kevin Johnson, Dennis Northcutt, Quincy Morgan and Dre Davis all had stretches of brilliant play and their rookie back William Green looks good to me.
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Line play was suspect, and the receivers, while decent, had no one who stepped up to the next level of go to threat/superstar. Maybe that was Couch's fault. Maybe not. What blame can be laid at the feet of a QB in the NFL always seems to be a chicken and egg argument. Most damning thing against Couch? What Holcomb accomplished when given a chance last year.
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First of all, the only way you get banned is by NOT posting enough. Post like a madman and tell your friends.
Secondly, Couch got a bum rap in Cleveland, and Dallas makes a LOT of sense. But what can Dallas give Cleveland that would make it worth it? There was a lot of talk about this before the draft, but all the insiders said Dallas didn't have jack to trade.
That being said, Parcells has vocally said he wants a veteran back-up (read: eventual starter), and he bemoaned the current free agent crop. So Maybe Dallas will trade some future draft picks, land Couch, and make Antonio Bryant the most popular "sleeper" in fantasy drafts.
Secondly, Couch got a bum rap in Cleveland, and Dallas makes a LOT of sense. But what can Dallas give Cleveland that would make it worth it? There was a lot of talk about this before the draft, but all the insiders said Dallas didn't have jack to trade.
That being said, Parcells has vocally said he wants a veteran back-up (read: eventual starter), and he bemoaned the current free agent crop. So Maybe Dallas will trade some future draft picks, land Couch, and make Antonio Bryant the most popular "sleeper" in fantasy drafts.
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Part of me still wants the Browns to trade HOLCOMB, because he's older, and five games does not a star make, considering he got injured in that span as well.
I think that both Holcomb and Couch hold the same trade value, Holcomb because of what people saw in a short time last season, and Couch because of the potential that comes with being the No 1 pick.
I do think that the Brown's receiving corps is pretty good, but not spectacular. They do need the big hoss wide receiver, who will get you 6-10 catches a game for around 100 yards. The lack of any running game until William Green came on late last season has been a bigger problem than the O-line or receivers.
BUT, Couch has to get better at avoiding the silly mistakes. He tries to force the ball into tight spots a lot, and several of his interceptions can be traced to that. Holcomb throws a better deep ball, but remember that the high praise lavished upon him was mostly due to the shootout against Kansas City(Dwayne Rudd helmet toss), which will lead to gaudy numbers, and the high scoring playoff game against Pittsburgh, both of which, incidentally, the Browns LOST. He did play well at other times, beating the BenGALS, but not substantially better than Couch.
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I think that both Holcomb and Couch hold the same trade value, Holcomb because of what people saw in a short time last season, and Couch because of the potential that comes with being the No 1 pick.
I do think that the Brown's receiving corps is pretty good, but not spectacular. They do need the big hoss wide receiver, who will get you 6-10 catches a game for around 100 yards. The lack of any running game until William Green came on late last season has been a bigger problem than the O-line or receivers.
BUT, Couch has to get better at avoiding the silly mistakes. He tries to force the ball into tight spots a lot, and several of his interceptions can be traced to that. Holcomb throws a better deep ball, but remember that the high praise lavished upon him was mostly due to the shootout against Kansas City(Dwayne Rudd helmet toss), which will lead to gaudy numbers, and the high scoring playoff game against Pittsburgh, both of which, incidentally, the Browns LOST. He did play well at other times, beating the BenGALS, but not substantially better than Couch.
I'm pulling a Tammy Wynette, and standing by my man. Remember, though, I'm a homer.
Cleveland Browns Updated: 5/6/2003
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Jamir Miller is considering retirment. The Browns are the only team that have offered him a deal, which is believed to be around $1.6 million. Miller is making a determination on whether that is enough incentive to continue playing.
ENOUGH F_ING INCENTIVE
Holy shizzle my nizzles. Having a chance to play for a playoff team in a city that loves their football team for ONLY 1.6 million. Damn, I'd hate to have to make decisions like that. Poor Jamir!!!
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Jamir Miller is considering retirment. The Browns are the only team that have offered him a deal, which is believed to be around $1.6 million. Miller is making a determination on whether that is enough incentive to continue playing.
ENOUGH F_ING INCENTIVE
Holy shizzle my nizzles. Having a chance to play for a playoff team in a city that loves their football team for ONLY 1.6 million. Damn, I'd hate to have to make decisions like that. Poor Jamir!!!
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It's the Tom Brady/Trent-Green-in-Washington Factor. Holcomb has done nothing to screw things up, and has actually helped win games, despite anything that Couch has done. Once Holcomb has two bad games in a row, people will want Couch back. It's just that now, he hasn't screwed up, and Couch has. And Holcomb hasn't cried because of the Cleveland fans either.aaronbond wrote:Part of me still wants the Browns to trade HOLCOMB, because he's older, and five games does not a star make, considering he got injured in that span as well.
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He was asked Monday if he'd consider re-signing former Browns starter Tim Couch, who is out of football while recovering from tendinitis in his right shoulder and elbow.
"I don't know," Robiskie said. "Tim Couch coming in with three weeks left? I don't know where Tim is as far as his injury. I don't know where Tim Couch is as far as the Browns. Nate has been here. I don't know if Timmy has thrown a ball in the last month. That would be a tough question to answer."
He said the personnel department will research Couch and other available quarterbacks.
"If they know that Tim has been throwing and is in shape and wouldn't mind, it'll come up in discussions," Robiskie said.
He was asked Monday if he'd consider re-signing former Browns starter Tim Couch, who is out of football while recovering from tendinitis in his right shoulder and elbow.
"I don't know," Robiskie said. "Tim Couch coming in with three weeks left? I don't know where Tim is as far as his injury. I don't know where Tim Couch is as far as the Browns. Nate has been here. I don't know if Timmy has thrown a ball in the last month. That would be a tough question to answer."
He said the personnel department will research Couch and other available quarterbacks.
"If they know that Tim has been throwing and is in shape and wouldn't mind, it'll come up in discussions," Robiskie said.
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Couch's release had more to do with Davis than anything. Davis botched the QB situation so bad, it was beyond repair. Still is.
I can't see Couch going back though, the fans couldn't take it.
That is, unless he won games, which is something no other QB has done in CLeveland since the return. Unfortunately, it appears that he is about the same as Kurt Warner (without the MVPS and the SuperBowl) becuase he needs time to operate. No time, then you're in trouble.
At UK, everything was tailored to 1-3 step drops, so time was less of an issue. Never made the adjustment.
I can't see Couch going back though, the fans couldn't take it.
That is, unless he won games, which is something no other QB has done in CLeveland since the return. Unfortunately, it appears that he is about the same as Kurt Warner (without the MVPS and the SuperBowl) becuase he needs time to operate. No time, then you're in trouble.
At UK, everything was tailored to 1-3 step drops, so time was less of an issue. Never made the adjustment.
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