Getting the spins

Post by **brian** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:06 pm

New Drive-By Truckers album and tour this fall. New song available on NPR.

ETA: And in a bit of surprisingly good news for me, despite not playing in Vegas (as usual) they are playing in Scottsdale the day after I see Sigur Ros in Phoenix. So that'll be a fun weekend.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:14 pm

Love that feeling when you go back and listen to an old album and fall in love with a song you never listened to close enough or gave enough of a listen to.

The world needs more Jim Ward stuff. Hope he puts something out soon whether it's Sparta, Sleepercar, solo or whatever.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:16 pm

Is there any spotify-ish site that tracks listens by week? I want to see how much Modest Mouse bounced with the lead singer getting in the news for a car accident.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:19 pm

mister d wrote:Is there any spotify-ish site that tracks listens by week? I want to see how much Modest Mouse bounced with the lead singer getting in the news for a car accident.

Was the accident with a cop car?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:21 pm

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:26 pm

brian wrote:New Drive-By Truckers album and tour this fall. New song available on NPR.

ETA: And in a bit of surprisingly good news for me, despite not playing in Vegas (as usual) they are playing in Scottsdale the day after I see Sigur Ros in Phoenix. So that'll be a fun weekend.

Kevn Kinney's MacDougal Blues was No Depression before No Depression even became aware enough that it needed a name.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:27 pm

EnochRoot wrote:
brian wrote:New Drive-By Truckers album and tour this fall. New song available on NPR.

ETA: And in a bit of surprisingly good news for me, despite not playing in Vegas (as usual) they are playing in Scottsdale the day after I see Sigur Ros in Phoenix. So that'll be a fun weekend.
Kevn Kinney's MacDougal Blues was No Depression before No Depression even became aware enough that it needed a name.

I'm a Drivin' and Cryin' fan, so I hear you a bit. But, hell, alt.country/No Depression really started with Willie and Waylon and their outlaw movement, then the Cowpunk guys like the Beat Farmers/Jason&Scorchers/Lone Justice, and then got a kick in the butt forward when Steve Earle and Lyle Lovett came along, then added postpunk influences with Uncle Tupelo and their ilk. Not sure where Kevn Kinney/DnC fits in, but somewhere yes.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:13 pm

sancarlos wrote:
EnochRoot wrote:
brian wrote:New Drive-By Truckers album and tour this fall. New song available on NPR.

ETA: And in a bit of surprisingly good news for me, despite not playing in Vegas (as usual) they are playing in Scottsdale the day after I see Sigur Ros in Phoenix. So that'll be a fun weekend.
Kevn Kinney's MacDougal Blues was No Depression before No Depression even became aware enough that it needed a name.
I'm a Drivin' and Cryin' fan, so I hear you a bit. But, hell, alt.country/No Depression really started with Willie and Waylon and their outlaw movement, then the Cowpunk guys like the Beat Farmers/Jason&Scorchers/Lone Justice, and then got a kick in the butt forward when Steve Earle and Lyle Lovett came along, then added postpunk influences with Uncle Tupelo and their ilk. Not sure where Kevn Kinney/DnC fits in, but somewhere yes.

Oh, I agree. Alt country (really, country music) took root when Willie, Johnny Cash etc refused the rhinestones.

I just wanted to draw attention to the awesomeness of Kevn Kinney (he should wear an eyepatch for having lost an i).

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:44 am

Paste magazine's top 50 alternative country albums of all time. Lots to disagree and agree with. Couple of my favorites ranked high. Couple other favorites missed the list, etc.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:54 am

sancarlos wrote:Paste magazine's top 50 alternative country albums of all time. Lots to disagree and agree with. Couple of my favorites ranked high. Couple other favorites missed the list, etc.

Where do they draw the line at alt-country? Little to no red-dirt/Texas on there at all...

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:58 am

I love My MOrning Jacket, but no way it's better than Metamodern by Sturgill Simpson.

And BSF, I think they are classifying what you say as real country, or Americana.

Post by **brian** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:02 am

The mere fact that neither major Whiskeytown album is on it is a travesty. Strangers Almanac is probably a top 10 alt-country album in my mind. (At least...that's a very conservative estimate in my opinion.)

Post by **brian** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:05 am

I did appreciate that it included Songs:Ohia though. Jason Molina was an absolute genius.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:07 am

BSF21 wrote:
sancarlos wrote:Paste magazine's top 50 alternative country albums of all time. Lots to disagree and agree with. Couple of my favorites ranked high. Couple other favorites missed the list, etc.
Where do they draw the line at alt-country? Little to no red-dirt/Texas on there at all...

Yeah, definition on all this sort of thing is very subjective. Hell, all these articles are just one guy's opinion, anyway. If it was my article, you know there would have been some more variety there, including (to your point) some Joe Ely, Reckless Kelly, Lyle Lovett, and more Steve Earle. Also, could have thrown in Guy Clark, Whiskeytown, Alejandro Escovedo, Beat Farmers, Long Ryders, Webb Wilder, Dinosaur Jr... You could also argue that the country-rock bands of the 1970s were alternative country.

I also read the Paste top 50 postpone albums article, and the comments section is a wild argument about who should and who should not be included in that genre/description.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:08 am

Well there's one band on there (twice) that I really didn't expect to see.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:12 am

Scrolling up the list, a couple surprised me that they are considered alt-country (Emmylou, Rosanne Cash, Loretta freaking Lynn, but I haven't heard that album), but I guess I understand, starting from how you slot Johnny Cash American IV. Another one that seems low, I am really horribly biased, since I think it is one of the greatest records ever, but k.d.'s Ingénue, I mean, damn I love that record so much.

Lots for me to listen to.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:17 am

sancarlos wrote:
BSF21 wrote:
sancarlos wrote:Paste magazine's top 50 alternative country albums of all time. Lots to disagree and agree with. Couple of my favorites ranked high. Couple other favorites missed the list, etc.
Where do they draw the line at alt-country? Little to no red-dirt/Texas on there at all...
Yeah, definition on all this sort of thing is very subjective. Hell, all these articles are just one guy's opinion, anyway. If it was my article, you know there would have been some more variety there, including (to your point) some Joe Ely, Reckless Kelly, Lyle Lovett, and more Steve Earle. Also, could have thrown in Guy Clark, Whiskeytown, Alejandro Escovedo, Beat Farmers, Long Ryders, Webb Wilder, Dinosaur Jr... You could also argue that the country-rock bands of the 1970s were alternative country.

I also read the Paste top 50 postpone albums article, and the comments section is a wild argument about who should and who should not be included in that genre/description.

Yea the first one that popped to mind was RK's Wicked Twisted Road for sure. Ragweed has some great albums. REK, Randy Rogers Band, Jason Boland, the list goes on...Nice to see Emmylou on there.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:17 am

That loretta lynn album was produced by Jack White, which is I assume why it gets put in the alt country realm. It's really really good.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:19 am

I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, Americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I would have considered for that list, yeah. Randy Rogers, too.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:21 am

A_B wrote:I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I owuld have considered for that list, year. Randy Rogers, too.

Yep, the definition is very subjective. No question. But, one definition one could use would be - "Do they get played on mainstream country radio?" By that definition, you could include those guys in this list. People like Todd Snider and Hayes Carll, too.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:22 am

A_B wrote:That loretta lynn album was produced by Jack White, which is I assume why it gets put in the alt country realm. It's really really good.

Yeah, I just never got around to listening to it, then forgot about it. Can't believe it's 12 years old. I'll fix that today.

Post by **brian** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:22 am

Also, Southern Rock Opera is a better DBT album than Decoration Day to me, but I'll not quibble too much about that one. If they're putting multiple albums by some artists on there, it's hard to imagine for SRO doesn't make the cut.

ETA: Some Lucero fans would criticize having 1372 Overton Park on the list instead of something more popular like Tennessee, but I'll get behind that one. 1372 Overton Park is probably their most accessible record.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:22 am

sancarlos wrote:
A_B wrote:I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I owuld have considered for that list, year. Randy Rogers, too.
Yep, the definition is very subjective. No question. But, one definition one could use would be - "Do they get played on mainstream country radio?" By that definition, you could include those guys in this list. People like Todd Snider, Ray Wylie Hubbard and Hayes Carll, too.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:23 am

sancarlos wrote:
A_B wrote:I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I owuld have considered for that list, year. Randy Rogers, too.
Yep, the definition is very subjective. No question. But, one definition one could use would be - "Do they get played on mainstream country radio?" By that definition, you could include those guys in this list. People like Todd Snider and Hayes Carll, too.

What mainsteam country radio plays any of this? Can I have some please? Around here its 8 stations that play the same 6 bullshit stadium country tracks.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:24 am

BSF21 wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
A_B wrote:I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I owuld have considered for that list, year. Randy Rogers, too.
Yep, the definition is very subjective. No question. But, one definition one could use would be - "Do they get played on mainstream country radio?" By that definition, you could include those guys in this list. People like Todd Snider and Hayes Carll, too.
What mainsteam country radio plays any of this? Can I have some please? Around here its 8 stations that play the same 6 bullshit stadium country tracks.

Um, I meant they are alternative because they DON'T get played on mainstream.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:33 am

sancarlos wrote:
BSF21 wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
A_B wrote:I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I owuld have considered for that list, year. Randy Rogers, too.
Yep, the definition is very subjective. No question. But, one definition one could use would be - "Do they get played on mainstream country radio?" By that definition, you could include those guys in this list. People like Todd Snider and Hayes Carll, too.
What mainsteam country radio plays any of this? Can I have some please? Around here its 8 stations that play the same 6 bullshit stadium country tracks.
Um, I meant they are alternative because they DON'T get played on mainstream.

Got it. Makes a lot more sense.

Post by **brian** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:41 am

You could also make an argument that R.E.M.'s Murmur or Life's Rich Pageant are alt-country. I realize a lot of people would push back on that, but I believe it.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:43 am

Maybe some songs, but I don't see a whole REM album qualifying.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:05 am

A_B wrote:I love me some Guy Clark (<---- obviously) but he's not alt country. Folk, Americana, maybe, but not alt country. Kinda the same for REK. Ragweed and Reckless Kelly I would have considered for that list, yeah. Randy Rogers, too.

I'm really enjoying the new Randy Rogers. Fellow SWT Bobcat.

Post by **brian** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:04 pm

Dirty South was released by Drive-By Truckers 12 years ago today. Definitely the peak of the Isbell-era DBT even if you concede that Outfit from Decoration Day is the best DBT/Isbell song. (I believe it's Danko/Manuel, but wouldn't argue either).

Where the Devil Don't Stay (Cooley)
Tornadoes (Hood)
The Day John Henry Died (Isbell)
Puttin' People on the Moon (Hood)
Carl Perkins' Cadillac (Cooley)
The Sands of Iwo Jima (Hood)
Danko/Manuel (Isbell)
The Boys from Alabama (Hood)
Cottonseed (Cooley)
The Buford Stick (Hood)
Daddy's Cup (Cooley)
Never Gonna Change (Isbell)
Lookout Mountain (Hood)
Goddamn Lonely Love (Isbell)

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:48 pm

I saw DBT with Isbell about then at the Fillmore in SF. They were co-headlining with Son Volt and it was a great show. Loud as hell.

I remember thinking even, at that time, that visually, he seemed separate from the others in the band. He was dressed smartly with nicely combed hair, while Patterson and the rest had the typical "just rolled out of bed" rock-n-roll look.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:29 pm

sancarlos wrote:I saw DBT with Isbell about then at the Fillmore in SF. They were co-headlining with Son Volt and it was a great show. Loud as hell.

I remember thinking even, at that time, that visually, he seemed separate from the others in the band. He was dressed smartly with nicely combed hair, while Patterson and the rest had the typical "just rolled out of bed" rock-n-roll look.

I'm way too interested in what bands wear. I don't even have a preference, but I always wonder what I'd wear if I was in a band.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:32 pm

Same. Like at some point Berninger had to make a conscious decision to go from standard band wear to the professor look. I bet he was really self conscious the first few shows.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:54 pm

Dave looks like what I look like going out. I remember really getting into The Walkmen after seeing them all in suits during a hot as fuck ACL set.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:08 pm

sancarlos wrote:I saw DBT with Isbell about then at the Fillmore in SF. They were co-headlining with Son Volt and it was a great show. Loud as hell.

Hey, I think I was at that show. Around 2004? I had seen DBT at Bottom of the Hill another time, around 2000 maybe? The years fade into one another (and there weren't world series to mark the years).

Post by **brian** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:14 pm

That was a great tour. Even though I guess the band was pretty drunk most of the time, that was a kickass lineup and some incredible shows. I saw two on that tour.

They did a cover of Neutral Milk Hotel's "Holland, 1945" (sung by Isbell) that blew my dick off.

This one isn't as good, but it's still a pretty good cover.

ETA: That show also has their cover of "Ain't Talking Bout Love" which is my all-time favorite "silly" DBT cover song. They still typically will cover "People Who Died" and "Rockin' In The Free World" all the time, but mostly stick to originals which I guess makes sense once you have like 14 albums.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:35 pm

howard wrote:
sancarlos wrote:I saw DBT with Isbell about then at the Fillmore in SF. They were co-headlining with Son Volt and it was a great show. Loud as hell.
Hey, I think I was at that show. Around 2004? I had seen DBT at Bottom of the Hill another time, around 2000 maybe? The years fade into one another (and there weren't world series to mark the years).

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:10 am

KEXP is doing one of their full day shows where they do the album plus the full songs of all the samples on it. Today is "3 Feet High & Rising".

(And who brings a door to a concert?)

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:17 am

mister d wrote:KEXP is doing one of their full day shows where they do the album plus the full songs of all the samples on it. Today is "3 Feet High & Rising".

(And who brings a door to a concert?)

Listening to their new one now.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:21 am

mister d wrote:KEXP is doing one of their full day shows where they do the album plus the full songs of all the samples on it. Today is "3 Feet High & Rising".

That's a lot of songs.