The Jurgen Klinsman Experience

[Nonlinear FC]

I'd go just to go, but maybe that's more being someone that lived through the heart of the Cold War and is into history and stuff. Oh, and gangster and casino movies.

[brian]

Cuba in November is probably just delightful. I'd like to go before it becomes a de-facto American state after the Castros die.

[wlu_lax6]

BBC saying Big Sam is going to get the England Job and reports say Sunderland would get David Moyes to replace him.

[wlu_lax6]

Reports coming in that we will get US of A v. Ghana October 11th at RFK stadium. Friendly during FIFA international break window

[brian]

Reports coming in that we will get US of A v. Ghana October 11th at RFK stadium. Friendly during FIFA international break window

Actually like that scheduling if Ghana sends their A team (as I'd fully imagine it would). Think we should play more CAF and AFC teams as long as they're World Cup quality sides from those regions.

[wlu_lax6]

Reports coming in that we will get US of A v. Ghana October 11th at RFK stadium. Friendly during FIFA international break window

Actually like that scheduling if Ghana sends their A team (as I'd fully imagine it would). Think we should play more CAF and AFC teams as long as they're World Cup quality sides from those regions.

Especially after a game against Cuba in that window. Big difference in quality. US needs more experience playing in games like they did in the Copa America this year. The ability to play South American sides and top notch African teams will toughen up the team for the WC finals, not just getting through the Hex. Plus RFK won't host a meaningful game with the US National team because it ends up being an away game. So having another decent friendly is great (Peru v. USA last year was a great night with my kids)

[wlu_lax6]

US U-19 (Friedel Head Coach) goes our in 4th place in the groupof the Cotif Tournament. 2-0 L to Venezuela, 1-0 win v. Mauritania, 1-0 win over Spain, and lost a 3-1 game against Bahrain which included a brawl
http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2016/8 ... tournament

[wlu_lax6]

Much like Landon, I will not rule out a return to the national team....and am guessing with Jurgen the coach we have the same likelyhood of being called in.
http://www.espnfc.us/united-states/stor ... ional-team

[wlu_lax6]

The field in Cuba looks worse than my backyard. It is strange seeing no ad boards and ball boys right on the edge of the field.

[wlu_lax6]

The field in Cuba looks worse than my backyard. It is strange seeing no ad boards and ball boys right on the edge of the field.

I am hoping the field is the reason they are playing long ball from the back.

Also love the F'bombs from Jurgen

[tennbengal]

Bumping for US/Mexico tonight. 3 points for US isn't a must, I suppose, as the Hex starts, but given they are at home, I surely want the 3.

Also, not sure if anyone interested saw this link when I left it in the World Cup thread a week ago, but re-posing it here. Pretty nice quick overview of 20 21 and under American players on the rise:

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/gallery ... ure-110716

[A_B]

Pretty big failure.

[tennbengal]

Disaster.

Maybe next cycle we can start taking the process with more seriousness earlier in the cycle.

[Shirley]

For those of you who follow more closely than I, how much of this do you put on Arena's shoulders? Obviously, he coached last night's disaster, but he inherited the team and its 0-2-0 record. He coached them to 3-2-3 in qualifying which clearly wasn't good enough - or even that good. But was the team already too broken? Surely we have enough good American players, right?

[Nonlinear FC]

Everyone gets to share some blame. They just played a high stakes, fast paced game 3 days prior. TnT is in the rainy season so 1) it's humid as fuck down there and b) you know the field is going to be soggy -- tough to run on on, tough to play a finesse game.

Arena should know these things. And he should've adjusted in game quicker when it was clear his "runners" weren't going to be able to get their groove on.

And, look, everyone is losing their shit about last night, but look at the two goals. Completely random. Not some major breakdown in the back.

Up until last, other than losing to CRC 2-0, the results are what you'd expect. They got got last night. Shit happens.

And I'll be that guy for a minute - So, I guess the Dutch should just break camp and quit the sport, right? Argentina danced around with not qualifying. What a shitty soccer nation, right?

(We could do this all day, hopefully folks get the point.)

[testuser2]

Everyone gets to share some blame. They just played a high stakes, fast paced game 3 days prior. TnT is in the rainy season so 1) it's humid as fuck down there and b) you know the field is going to be soggy -- tough to run on on, tough to play a finesse game.

Arena should know these things. And he should've adjusted in game quicker when it was clear his "runners" weren't going to be able to get their groove on.

And, look, everyone is losing their shit about last night, but look at the two goals. Completely random. Not some major breakdown in the back.

Up until last, other than losing to CRC 2-0, the results are what you'd expect. They got got last night. Shit happens.

And I'll be that guy for a minute - So, I guess the Dutch should just break camp and quit the sport, right? Argentina danced around with not qualifying. What a shitty soccer nation, right?

(We could do this all day, hopefully folks get the point.)

I would trade the USMNT history in a second for that of the Dutch or Argentina. One failure can be excused or even a cycle or two if there is a proven track record.

If the US had to qualify in UEFA or CONMEBOL they would have no chance. I'm guessing but they would be around the middle of any of the UEFA pools and close to the bottom of CONMEBOL.

[Nonlinear FC]

You kind of inadvertently made my point. Those are soccer nations with extremely deep, long standing roots where soccer is THE SPORT (I mean, the dutch are weird about cycling and some other shit, but the point remains.) Which is a point you were kind of making in the other thread. Soccer is nowhere near the dominant sport AND it's youth system is all kinds of jackedup. And our relevant history as a soccer nation doesn't really start until 1990 or 94, depending on how much of a bump you think going to Italy made (I would contend it made very little dent with the genpop, but certainly was a blast of momentum for our generation.)

Shit, Argentina got the soccer bug from the Brits in the 1800s(!) They've been playing at a high level for over 100 years before we really start to even pay attention. It's really pretty incredible when you put things in context.

[sancarlos]

You kind of inadvertently made my point. Those are soccer nations with extremely deep, long standing roots where soccer is THE SPORT (I mean, the dutch are weird about cycling and some other shit, but the point remains.) Which is a point you were kind of making in the other thread. Soccer is nowhere near the dominant sport AND it's youth system is all kinds of jackedup. And our relevant history as a soccer nation doesn't really start until 1990 or 94, depending on how much of a bump you think going to Italy made (I would contend it made very little dent with the genpop, but certainly was a blast of momentum for our generation.)

Shit, Argentina got the soccer bug from the Brits in the 1800s(!) They've been playing at a high level for over 100 years before we really start to even pay attention. It's really pretty incredible when you put things in context.

Your point is a valid one. But, I'm still shocked we can't emerge from a group largely made up of tiny countries with the population a a typical U.S. county.

[Nonlinear FC]

You kind of inadvertently made my point. Those are soccer nations with extremely deep, long standing roots where soccer is THE SPORT (I mean, the dutch are weird about cycling and some other shit, but the point remains.) Which is a point you were kind of making in the other thread. Soccer is nowhere near the dominant sport AND it's youth system is all kinds of jackedup. And our relevant history as a soccer nation doesn't really start until 1990 or 94, depending on how much of a bump you think going to Italy made (I would contend it made very little dent with the genpop, but certainly was a blast of momentum for our generation.)

Shit, Argentina got the soccer bug from the Brits in the 1800s(!) They've been playing at a high level for over 100 years before we really start to even pay attention. It's really pretty incredible when you put things in context.

Your point is a valid one. But, I'm still shocked we can't emerge from a group largely made up of tiny countries with the population a a typical U.S. county.

No, no... Don't get me wrong, testuser is right, our path from a standpoint relative to ARG and NED is several levels below in degree of difficulty. We are in a region that FIFA specifically allotted additional slots to in order to ensure our TV audience and travelling supporters would attend the big dance every 4 years.

There's no excuse not to make the WC. But people in Buenos Aires and Amsterdam would like tell you there's very little excuse for those nations to not make it, too. It's all relative.

[That French Guy]

You kind of inadvertently made my point. Those are soccer nations with extremely deep, long standing roots where soccer is THE SPORT (I mean, the dutch are weird about cycling and some other shit, but the point remains.) Which is a point you were kind of making in the other thread. Soccer is nowhere near the dominant sport AND it's youth system is all kinds of jackedup. And our relevant history as a soccer nation doesn't really start until 1990 or 94, depending on how much of a bump you think going to Italy made (I would contend it made very little dent with the genpop, but certainly was a blast of momentum for our generation.)

Shit, Argentina got the soccer bug from the Brits in the 1800s(!) They've been playing at a high level for over 100 years before we really start to even pay attention. It's really pretty incredible when you put things in context.

Your point is a valid one. But, I'm still shocked we can't emerge from a group largely made up of tiny countries with the population a a typical U.S. county.

No, no... Don't get me wrong, testuser is right, our path from a standpoint relative to ARG and NED is several levels below in degree of difficulty. We are in a region that FIFA specifically allotted additional slots to in order to ensure our TV audience and travelling supporters would attend the big dance every 4 years.

There's no excuse not to make the WC. But people in Buenos Aires and Amsterdam would like tell you there's very little excuse for those nations to not make it, too. It's all relative.

Without Lloris completely botching a totally unecessary cross out of his box at the 94th and the Swedish guy scoring from almost midfield to win the game, Holland would at least have been qualified for the November second round. Sometimes you get help from others, Sometimes you dont
Chile's protest of a game that eventually led to them being kicked out must also really sting.

[wlu_lax6]

So if not for a heart transplant the Jurgen experience would have ended 6 months earlier
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soc ... 5367bcf954

[Rex]

Just think, right about now we would be livid about Wondo being selected over Josh Sargent