2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Moderators: Shirley, Sabo, brian, rass, DaveInSeattle
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
This kid was different- he’s clearly been on the radar since he has been with all the us teams starting with u14. It’s a massive fuckup and one of the things from having no real “GM” position in the federation.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
The Sybian wrote:First, there are dozens of young guys out there who are eligible for multiple countries and have the potential to eventually be National Team players. Fans are always in a hurry to cap tie them (make them only eligible for USMNT), but most of them will never pan out, so you can't throw roster spots to these kids prematurely, as it's a crap shoot.
Hindsight being 20/20, sure, but what's the downside to using a spot on a kid most people consider a future starter over another legacy veteran who almost assuredly isn't going to play?
GOALKEEPERS (3): Brad Guzan (Atlanta United FC; 15/0), Tim Howard (Colorado Rapids; 37/0), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake; 0/0)
DEFENDERS (9): DaMarcus Beasley (Houston Dynamo; 35/6), Matt Besler (Sporting Kansas City; 12/1), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City/ENG; 24/2), Omar Gonzalez (Pachuca/MEX; 16/0), Michael Orozco (Club Tijuana/MEX; 6/1), Tim Ream (Fulham/ENG; 6/0), Jorge Villafaña (Santos Laguna/MEX; 4/0), DeAndre Yedlin (Newcastle United/ENG; (8/0), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City; 20/3)
MIDFIELDERS (10): Kellyn Acosta (FC Dallas; 5/0), Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution; 0/0), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 5/1), Alejandro Bedoya (Philadelphia Union; 9/0), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC/CAN; 38/7), Benny Feilhaber (Sporting Kansas City; 6/0), Dax McCarty (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Darlington Nagbe (Portland Timbers; 9/0), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund/GER; 11/5), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy; 4/1)
FORWARDS (4): Jozy Altidore (Toronto FC/CAN; 39/16), Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders FC; 41/18), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Bobby Wood (Hamburg/GER; 12/4)
The Sybian wrote:In other words, it's not as easy as it sounds to throw an untested 18 year old into a WC qualifier.
Right, I get not using him in a "real" match, but what about the pair of 6 goal matches against St. Vincent. After, like 4-0, what's the downside there in locking a kid in long term?
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Is it realistic that this guy is going to make the Mexico WC roster this year? Is there some empty promise going on? I'm game for a USSF bitch session but is this particular one legitimate?
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Rex wrote:Is it realistic that this guy is going to make the Mexico WC roster this year? Is there some empty promise going on? I'm game for a USSF bitch session but is this particular one legitimate?
you mean like Julian Greene
- A_B
- The Dude
- Posts: 23557
- Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:36 am
- Location: Getting them boards like a wolf in the chicken pen.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
if a kid is good enough to be in he Mexican top 11 at his age we should have got him cap tied. Worth it even if he's adu.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
- The Sybian
- The Dude
- Posts: 19072
- Joined: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am
- Location: Working in the Crap Part of Jersey
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
mister d wrote:Right, I get not using him in a "real" match, but what about the pair of 6 goal matches against St. Vincent. After, like 4-0, what's the downside there in locking a kid in long term?
St. Vincent game, sure. Stick a kid on the bench who is a flight risk, and cap tie him at the end of the game. Beyond taking a spot from another player on the bench, it's taking a spot at camp. This has been done a number of times, Julian Green is probably the most recent. He was the biggest sure thing for the US until Pulisic, and Green has completely fizzled. The other thing is whether a young kid wants to accept the cap and lock himself in at such a young age if he knows he isn't actually considered as an option, but just being cap tied. I would think they would choose to keep their options open and see which country is the better fit when they are actually capable of being on the team.
I hate seeing guys like Wondo getting called in when younger guys are available, but sometimes you need veteran presence in camp to set the tone. That is supposedly why Rimando is always there. Wondo, I can't explain, because he wasn't a USMNT fixture. Beasley makes more sense for his experience.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
-Pruitt
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
wlu_lax6 wrote:Winter Camp Roster Below
----Going young in the coal. Hamid is the only goalie with time in net...So Sean Johnson not a candidate at all?
----Arriola, Zardes, and Morris are the vets...and Morris is coming off hamstring that ended his season early.
GOALKEEPERS (4): Alex Bono (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Bill Hamid (Midtjylland/DEN; 4/0), Cody Cropper (New England Revolution; 0/0), Zack Steffen (Columbus Crew SC; 0/0)
DEFENDERS (9): Danny Acosta (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Justen Glad (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Justin Morrow (Toronto FC/CAN; 3/0), Ike Opara (Sporting Kansas City; 0/0), Tim Parker (Vancouver Whitecaps FC/CAN; 0/0), Matt Polster (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Brandon Vincent (Chicago Fire; 1/0), Walker Zimmerman (Los Angeles Football Club; 1/0)
MIDFIELDERS (11): Tyler Adams (New York Red Bulls; 1/0), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 15/2), Russell Canouse (D.C. United; 0/0), Marky Delgado (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Marlon Hairston (Colorado Rapids; 0/0), Ian Harkes (D.C. United; 0/0), Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 1/0), Kelyn Rowe (New England Revolution; 3/1), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 2/0), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy; 37/6)
FORWARDS (6): Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution; 27/3), Dom Dwyer (Orlando City SC; 4/2), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC; 24/5), Christian Ramirez (Minnesota United FC; 0/0), Rubio Rubin (Unattached; 4/0), CJ Sapong (Philadelphia Union; 3/0)
So listening to Grant Wahl's podcast and learned that F.C. Dallas did not release their players for this camp. So that likely knocked out Acosta, Jesse Gonzalez, and Matt Hedges.
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
The Sybian wrote:mister d wrote:Right, I get not using him in a "real" match, but what about the pair of 6 goal matches against St. Vincent. After, like 4-0, what's the downside there in locking a kid in long term?
St. Vincent game, sure. Stick a kid on the bench who is a flight risk, and cap tie him at the end of the game. Beyond taking a spot from another player on the bench, it's taking a spot at camp. This has been done a number of times, Julian Green is probably the most recent. He was the biggest sure thing for the US until Pulisic, and Green has completely fizzled. The other thing is whether a young kid wants to accept the cap and lock himself in at such a young age if he knows he isn't actually considered as an option, but just being cap tied. I would think they would choose to keep their options open and see which country is the better fit when they are actually capable of being on the team.
I hate seeing guys like Wondo getting called in when younger guys are available, but sometimes you need veteran presence in camp to set the tone. That is supposedly why Rimando is always there. Wondo, I can't explain, because he wasn't a USMNT fixture. Beasley makes more sense for his experience.
I just don't see any logical counter-argument to not have cap tied him late in the cycle. The feelings of 30+ year olds?
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
The Sybian wrote:The other thing is whether a young kid wants to accept the cap and lock himself in at such a young age if he knows he isn't actually considered as an option, but just being cap tied. I would think they would choose to keep their options open and see which country is the better fit when they are actually capable of being on the team.
We have seen this a few times come out in our favor. A kid who really wants a U.S. call up turns down another call up or asks the national team not to call him in yet so he does not have to say "no".
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Sure, and if that’s the case it’s totally fair. But I think you take the chance he’d be young and flattered and would lock in.
- degenerasian
- The Dude
- Posts: 12379
- Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
CONCACAF news for 2022, Canada has overnight fired its coach and promoted to the women's coach to be the mens coach. Who does this?
and of course, a Sid rant
and of course, a Sid rant
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
You lose some and you win some.
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/01/report-bay ... -u-s-u-20s
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/01/report-bay ... -u-s-u-20s
ESPN wrote:Furth president Helmut Hack said at the time: "Timothy Tillman is the biggest talent we have had for 30 years. His departure is a catastrophe for our club."
Last year, Bayern president Uli Hoeness personally vetoed Tillman's potential move to Barcelona, his agent told Sport Bild.
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
- Nonlinear FC
- The Dude
- Posts: 11023
- Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:09 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
yeah, i think that is the same piece I was referencing. Or a piece writing up that piece. In any event, it is absolutely infuriating.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Did anyone watch the game last night? I feel asleep about 8 minutes in. Only thing interesting I saw was the early cross from the left side which looked dangerous. Sounds like Hamid and Steffen both had slight mishaps and the US created one dangerous shot.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Also I am really enjoying Hercules Gomez's take on Jonathan Gonzales. He has been able to connect with the Gonzales family and it sounds like the US Soccer story is not so right. Additionally Gomez is not happy that they talk about Gonzales "falling through the cracks."
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Weirdly, I'm pretty sure I fell asleep right around the exact same time. The last thing I remember is Zimmerman getting mad at the ref.
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
I did. Most of second half anyway. Not much jumped out.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Look who was key to both of WB's goals (the shot into the goalie and the cheeky chip)
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
not a bad couple of days for Aron
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/aron-johan ... german-cup
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/aron-johan ... german-cup
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
You get fined for this when they catch you on video.
- The Sybian
- The Dude
- Posts: 19072
- Joined: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am
- Location: Working in the Crap Part of Jersey
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
He is no Vinnie Jones.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
-Pruitt
- The Sybian
- The Dude
- Posts: 19072
- Joined: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am
- Location: Working in the Crap Part of Jersey
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Fuck, it was a different game in Jones' day. He was a fucking animal. That tackle on Cantona was only a yellow.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
-Pruitt
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
So the US Soccer Annual General Meeting is underway. Who will be the new President? Gets decided on Saturday.
The list of candidates (in alphabetical order): Paul Caligiuri, Kathy Carter, Carlos Cordeiro, Steve Gans, Kyle Martino, Hope Solo, Michael Winograd and Eric Wynalda.
SBI straw poll has this going to Martino (same as Stars and Stripes FC). However, that is not worth squat
Grant says the Athletes Council is not decided yet and represents 20% of the votes. But that 20% is diluted as Guzan won't be there (ATL has a match) and Leslie Osborne just had a kid.
2017 National Council shares (in Maui):
Youth Council (25.8%)
Adult Council (25.8%)
Professional Council (25.8%)
Athletes Council (20%)
Miscellaneous (2.6%)
Note: 2018 percentages will only vary slightly.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... l-ele.html
The list of candidates (in alphabetical order): Paul Caligiuri, Kathy Carter, Carlos Cordeiro, Steve Gans, Kyle Martino, Hope Solo, Michael Winograd and Eric Wynalda.
SBI straw poll has this going to Martino (same as Stars and Stripes FC). However, that is not worth squat
Grant says the Athletes Council is not decided yet and represents 20% of the votes. But that 20% is diluted as Guzan won't be there (ATL has a match) and Leslie Osborne just had a kid.
2017 National Council shares (in Maui):
Youth Council (25.8%)
Adult Council (25.8%)
Professional Council (25.8%)
Athletes Council (20%)
Miscellaneous (2.6%)
Note: 2018 percentages will only vary slightly.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... l-ele.html
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
So the 6 candidates of change are trying to get a voting agreement to basically say if they go to round 2 voting, the top of the list of the 6 should get all of the votes in round 2. This voting process is so sportacrat, it is awesome.wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:45 pm So the US Soccer Annual General Meeting is underway. Who will be the new President? Gets decided on Saturday.
The list of candidates (in alphabetical order): Paul Caligiuri, Kathy Carter, Carlos Cordeiro, Steve Gans, Kyle Martino, Hope Solo, Michael Winograd and Eric Wynalda.
SBI straw poll has this going to Martino (same as Stars and Stripes FC). However, that is not worth squat
Grant says the Athletes Council is not decided yet and represents 20% of the votes. But that 20% is diluted as Guzan won't be there (ATL has a match) and Leslie Osborne just had a kid.
2017 National Council shares (in Maui):
Youth Council (25.8%)
Adult Council (25.8%)
Professional Council (25.8%)
Athletes Council (20%)
Miscellaneous (2.6%)
Note: 2018 percentages will only vary slightly.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publicati ... l-ele.html
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/report-six ... r-election
- The Sybian
- The Dude
- Posts: 19072
- Joined: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am
- Location: Working in the Crap Part of Jersey
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
We clearly need change, so let's go Hope Solo and see what happens!
Come to think of it, that's exactly what we did in the Presidential election by electing Trump. Vote Hope Solo, we will win so much you'll be sick of winning.
Come to think of it, that's exactly what we did in the Presidential election by electing Trump. Vote Hope Solo, we will win so much you'll be sick of winning.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
-Pruitt
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
US U-18s picked up 2 wins against Costa Rica...2-1 come from behind and 3-0.
GOALKEEPERS: David Ochoa (Real Salt Lake; Oxnard, Calif.), Jacob Schick (Chargers Soccer Club; Palm Harbor, Fla.), Kris Shakes (Philadelphia Union; Austin, Texas)
DEFENDERS: Julian Araujo (Barca Academy; Lompoc, Calif.), Nico Benalcazar (New York City FC; Wilton, Conn.), Ian Hoffmann (Karlsuher SC; Karlsruher, Germany), Nelson Martinez (D.C. United; Woodbrigde, Va.), David Mendoza (Chicago Fire; Gage Park, Ill.), Leonardo Sepulveda (LA Galaxy; Corona, Calif.)
MIDFIELDERS: Taylor Booth (Unattached; Eden, Utah), Cameron Duke (Sporting KC; Overland Park, Kan.) Roberto Hategan (Sacramento Republic F.C.; Chicago, Ill.), Aidan Morris (Crew SC Academy; Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.), Owen Otasowie (Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.; New York, N.Y.), Marcelo Palomino (Houston Dynamo; Houston, Texas), Stuart Ritchie (FC Groningen; Pleaston, Calif.) Thomas Roberts (FC Dallas; Little Rock, Ark.), Indiana Vassilev (Aston Villa F.C.; Savannah, Ga.)
FORWARDS: Konrad De La Fuente (FC Barcelona; Barcelona, Spain), Jalen Hawkins (FC Bayern Munich; Regensburg, Germany), Ulysses Llanez (LA Galaxy; Lynwood, Calif.), Bryan Reynolds (FC D
GOALKEEPERS: David Ochoa (Real Salt Lake; Oxnard, Calif.), Jacob Schick (Chargers Soccer Club; Palm Harbor, Fla.), Kris Shakes (Philadelphia Union; Austin, Texas)
DEFENDERS: Julian Araujo (Barca Academy; Lompoc, Calif.), Nico Benalcazar (New York City FC; Wilton, Conn.), Ian Hoffmann (Karlsuher SC; Karlsruher, Germany), Nelson Martinez (D.C. United; Woodbrigde, Va.), David Mendoza (Chicago Fire; Gage Park, Ill.), Leonardo Sepulveda (LA Galaxy; Corona, Calif.)
MIDFIELDERS: Taylor Booth (Unattached; Eden, Utah), Cameron Duke (Sporting KC; Overland Park, Kan.) Roberto Hategan (Sacramento Republic F.C.; Chicago, Ill.), Aidan Morris (Crew SC Academy; Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.), Owen Otasowie (Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.; New York, N.Y.), Marcelo Palomino (Houston Dynamo; Houston, Texas), Stuart Ritchie (FC Groningen; Pleaston, Calif.) Thomas Roberts (FC Dallas; Little Rock, Ark.), Indiana Vassilev (Aston Villa F.C.; Savannah, Ga.)
FORWARDS: Konrad De La Fuente (FC Barcelona; Barcelona, Spain), Jalen Hawkins (FC Bayern Munich; Regensburg, Germany), Ulysses Llanez (LA Galaxy; Lynwood, Calif.), Bryan Reynolds (FC D
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Some positive list action from non US journalists
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/pulisic-ba ... r-rankings
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/pulisic-ba ... r-rankings
- The Sybian
- The Dude
- Posts: 19072
- Joined: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am
- Location: Working in the Crap Part of Jersey
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Wow, Pulisic at #2 in the world! Shame Zelalem has been injured, I'd love to see him get back in action. The kid has so much raw talent, not sure if he will ever develop, though.wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:47 pm Some positive list action from non US journalists
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/pulisic-ba ... r-rankings
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
-Pruitt
-
- The Dude
- Posts: 12036
- Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:07 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Hertha's coach not too happy with Jonathan Klinsmann...lighting a fire under him?
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/03/hertha-coa ... o-american
http://sbisoccer.com/2018/03/hertha-coa ... o-american
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
US invited to Copa 2019
https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/04/04/in ... n-juventus
https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/04/04/in ... n-juventus
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Looks like away games in November against England and Italy.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Young us of a team v Bolivia tonight. Good dessert for the lax final and/or appetizer for caps-knights game 1.
- degenerasian
- The Dude
- Posts: 12379
- Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
wanted to update this. The Copa America wanted to try 16 teams with 3 invited from each of CONCACAF and AFC. But now it's back to the original 12 teams and just Japan and Qatar. No USA or Mexico. Seems to me a really strange decision. After the 2016 Copa Centenario.wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:10 am US invited to Copa 2019
https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/04/04/in ... n-juventus
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..