Yeah, it's all about self-interest. I'd argue that businesses that depend heavily on export sales or import sourcing are in favor of free markets.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:59 pmIt depends on which right wingers you're talking about. The money-first right wingers say they are for free markets (they aren't) and are globalist, and don't say much about immigration because they favor it (it makes them money).
The white nationalist right wingers are anti-globalist and anti-immigrant (duh), but I don't know how much they talk about free markets, except when using it as a cudgel against liberalism (civil rights laws).
Basically no one is really in favor of free markets, like no one is really in favor of states' rights. It's all about the substantive issue.
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In some quarters "globalist" is a catch word for "Jew", like the Communists used to call Jews "cosmopolitans" before purging them
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Yeah, I've kind of checked out this week and didn't see this until today.
Globalist is a very thinly-veiled anti-semitic dog whistle. Exactly what Avram said... used by the Breitbart crowd as a means of talking about The Jews and their secret control of world finance without having to say The Jews.
It's fucking gross that a president would even come close to this dog whistle, but this isn't even a dog whistle at this point. With a certain faction, this is straight up anti-semitism.
Globalist is a very thinly-veiled anti-semitic dog whistle. Exactly what Avram said... used by the Breitbart crowd as a means of talking about The Jews and their secret control of world finance without having to say The Jews.
It's fucking gross that a president would even come close to this dog whistle, but this isn't even a dog whistle at this point. With a certain faction, this is straight up anti-semitism.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:50 pm It's fucking gross that a president would even come close to this dog whistle...
He just used it the other day wrt Cohn.
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No, yeah, I'm caught up now... I figured the context after the fact.P.D.X. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:06 pmNonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:50 pm It's fucking gross that a president would even come close to this dog whistle...
He just used it the other day wrt Cohn.
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So that payment that Cohen made to Stormy came from his home equity line? Seriously wtf.
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"Soros" is the word in Europe that has replaced der Sturmer caricatures of rapacious blood-sucking Jews.
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Yeah...I thought, after reading about him at TalkingPointsMemo, that he was a millionaire, several times over. Millionaires need a home equity line? Really?
And how stupid are these guys...he was doing this negotiation using his Trump email address? C'mon....
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The degree to which these people would stick their necks out for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire continues to be hilarious.
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He might have a couple of people to do the pissing though...Johnny Carwash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:09 pm The degree to which these people would stick their necks out for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire continues to be hilarious.
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$$$$$$$$Johnny Carwash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:09 pm The degree to which these people would stick their necks out for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire continues to be hilarious.
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and "populist" is becoming, you know
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Pruitt must be glued to his tv.
This Ontario Conservative leadership race is insane. If you recall, this 6 week campaign was triggered by the ex-leader Patrick Brown having to resign due to sexual harassment allegations. He actually entered the race to replace himself for 2 days before backing out.
Now we think Doug Ford (Rob Ford's brother!) but there is a recount and it's being contested because in a ranking vote system, where do the latter rounds votes go? In which riding do they re-distributed to?
This Ontario Conservative leadership race is insane. If you recall, this 6 week campaign was triggered by the ex-leader Patrick Brown having to resign due to sexual harassment allegations. He actually entered the race to replace himself for 2 days before backing out.
Now we think Doug Ford (Rob Ford's brother!) but there is a recount and it's being contested because in a ranking vote system, where do the latter rounds votes go? In which riding do they re-distributed to?
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I honestly want you guys to start a Canadian Random Politics, because it would be a lot easier to follow and I'm legit interested.
It's unreal that another Ford is in the mix.
It's unreal that another Ford is in the mix.
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Jesus Murphy. Imagine if the dumbest people you knew were running a political party.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:09 pm I honestly want you guys to start a Canadian Random Politics, because it would be a lot easier to follow and I'm legit interested.
It's unreal that another Ford is in the mix.
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Populism (at least in the US) has a long history of nativism and anti-immigrant feelingBrontoburglar wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:03 pmand "populist" is becoming, you know
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When isn't populism fueled by resentment, which by and large amounts to nothing more than somebody pointing his finger at somebody else for his problems in life? That's true the world over though.Avram wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:17 amPopulism (at least in the US) has a long history of nativism and anti-immigrant feelingBrontoburglar wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:03 pmand "populist" is becoming, you know
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This seems like a pretty solid tweet thread explaining the disconnect between the NYT editorial page and the conservative "movement" as it actually exists in the real world today.
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Excellent.
There has always been that belief among liberals (of which I guess I am one) that the other side is basically nice or reasonable. So yeah, my father who is not a racist but who believes that taxes are too high - well, he's what Conservatives should be. As David Roberts points out, guys like that are a minority, surrounded by mouth-breathing, ill-educated snake handlers.
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Yeah. Anti-Trump conservatives are way overrepresented in the media because newspaper publishers and TV producers want to believe that Trump isn't what the GOP is all about. When in fact, he romped through the primary and is exceedingly popular among Republican voters. But I will quibble with your characterization of the GOP base as "mouth-breathing" and "ill-educated." There are plenty of affluent, educated people who embrace the cultural and racial resentments of the party. Steve Bannon is a Harvard Business School grad and multimillionaire. Trump graduated from UPenn. Ted Cruz is a Princeton and Harvard Law grad who clerked for the Supreme Court. Tom Cotton is also a Harvard Law grad.Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 pmExcellent.
There has always been that belief among liberals (of which I guess I am one) that the other side is basically nice or reasonable. So yeah, my father who is not a racist but who believes that taxes are too high - well, he's what Conservatives should be. As David Roberts points out, guys like that are a minority, surrounded by mouth-breathing, ill-educated snake handlers.
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Wait... you think anti trump conservatives are over represented? What am I missing?
Cause I don’t see a lot of people on tv thinking the way I do.
Cause I don’t see a lot of people on tv thinking the way I do.
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Maybe not on TV as much as on newspaper editorial boards. The NY Times, for example, features David Brooks, Bret Stephens and Ross Douthat as columnists but I don’t think they’ve ever run an editorial from a Trump supporter. I don’t read the WashPost as often, but I believe there’s a similar dynamic there.
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So really you take issue with the fact they’re “ill-educated”. Ultimately, that degree means shit unless they somehow figure out right from wrong.Joe K wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:41 pmYeah. Anti-Trump conservatives are way overrepresented in the media because newspaper publishers and TV producers want to believe that Trump isn't what the GOP is all about. When in fact, he romped through the primary and is exceedingly popular among Republican voters. But I will quibble with your characterization of the GOP base as "mouth-breathing" and "ill-educated." There are plenty of affluent, educated people who embrace the cultural and racial resentments of the party. Steve Bannon is a Harvard Business School grad and multimillionaire. Trump graduated from UPenn. Ted Cruz is a Princeton and Harvard Law grad who clerked for the Supreme Court. Tom Cotton is also a Harvard Law grad.Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 pmExcellent.
There has always been that belief among liberals (of which I guess I am one) that the other side is basically nice or reasonable. So yeah, my father who is not a racist but who believes that taxes are too high - well, he's what Conservatives should be. As David Roberts points out, guys like that are a minority, surrounded by mouth-breathing, ill-educated snake handlers.
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I agree with your sentiment. I just think the focus on uneducated working class voters obscures and understates the depth of support for far-right movements like Trumpism. Take the infamous 2016 prediction from Chuck Schumer that:EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:30 amSo really you take issue with the fact they’re “ill-educated”. Ultimately, that degree means shit unless they somehow figure out right from wrong.Joe K wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:41 pmYeah. Anti-Trump conservatives are way overrepresented in the media because newspaper publishers and TV producers want to believe that Trump isn't what the GOP is all about. When in fact, he romped through the primary and is exceedingly popular among Republican voters. But I will quibble with your characterization of the GOP base as "mouth-breathing" and "ill-educated." There are plenty of affluent, educated people who embrace the cultural and racial resentments of the party. Steve Bannon is a Harvard Business School grad and multimillionaire. Trump graduated from UPenn. Ted Cruz is a Princeton and Harvard Law grad who clerked for the Supreme Court. Tom Cotton is also a Harvard Law grad.Pruitt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 pmExcellent.
There has always been that belief among liberals (of which I guess I am one) that the other side is basically nice or reasonable. So yeah, my father who is not a racist but who believes that taxes are too high - well, he's what Conservatives should be. As David Roberts points out, guys like that are a minority, surrounded by mouth-breathing, ill-educated snake handlers.
There have been countless think pieces about the blue-collar voters who support Trump, but hardly any about why more educated and affluent suburban Republicans have continued to support him en masse.For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.
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A lot of those so-called educated suburban Republicans believe the propaganda they see on Fox News as much as the mouth-breathers do.
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Yup.
I am watching a train wreck of a thread on Facebook, where someone posted a chart showing dozens of media outlets and where they stand on a spectrum of liberal --> conservative on x-axis and fact-based --> propaganda on y-axis. I'm sure you guys have seen it at some point. And while I can certainly quibble with a few of the plot points, really only by a few shades here and there.
But you can tell the people that get their news from Fox (and worse) because they can't stand this chart. They wont admit it, but you can just tell. "All news is biased!" they scree.
Fuck off. I'm so incredibly tired of arguing or even engaging with these self-deluded assholes. It's just exhausting.
My son (college boy) is so annoyed he's pissed at NPR at this point. He can't stand their "bias towards balance" which is the false equivalency shit we've talked about here for years. (What got him going was an NPR report that characterized the bump stock legislation as being "under debate." He's like, there's not reasonable person debating the other side, just stop already. And he's not wrong.)
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Yeah, I can't even listen to NPR any more (though not exactly for that same reason). I used to listen religiously especially during long road trips, but I can't any more because every segment on every show seems like it's about Trump and I just can't any more. Even if it's a panel of five people ripping him to shreds (which doesn't happen on NPR anyway, but still) I just can't deal with it all day, every day.
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That's because you're boring and don't sell Coca-Cola.
Anyone who thinks that any media outlet puts anyone on TV for any other reason still has their head in the sand. It's not about news and hasn't been for a long time.
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The Jerry Springer-fication of the news is why I hate the media.
Literally every Trump surrogate should be blackballed by every institution worth a fuck. Every time I see Lewandowski, The Mooch, Spicer, Kelly Anne, Parris Denard, Gorka and whoever else on a panel, all I can think is that the media is complicit in all of this.
They should be relegated to Fox News and shit on like the toilets they are. They should be bullied out of existence. They should be villainized as anti-Americans.
And it makes me think...when Trump is eventually out of office this isn't going to magically become better overnight either. The media will just hitch it's wagon to the next train wreck and keep on chugging.
Literally every Trump surrogate should be blackballed by every institution worth a fuck. Every time I see Lewandowski, The Mooch, Spicer, Kelly Anne, Parris Denard, Gorka and whoever else on a panel, all I can think is that the media is complicit in all of this.
They should be relegated to Fox News and shit on like the toilets they are. They should be bullied out of existence. They should be villainized as anti-Americans.
And it makes me think...when Trump is eventually out of office this isn't going to magically become better overnight either. The media will just hitch it's wagon to the next train wreck and keep on chugging.
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Overall it's the fear of the left. "They will take stuff away" from conservatives and has both fire-breathers and intellects scared.
Heck Ontario is going to elect Trump-lite as their next Premier. Yes, a FORD! This is how both Fords came to power in the first place.
Heck Ontario is going to elect Trump-lite as their next Premier. Yes, a FORD! This is how both Fords came to power in the first place.
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Well, that remains to be seen.degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:10 pm Overall it's the fear of the left. "They will take stuff away" from conservatives and has both fire-breathers and intellects scared.
Heck Ontario is going to elect Trump-lite as their next Premier. Yes, a FORD! This is how both Fords came to power in the first place.
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Only absentee ballots are left apparently.
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NBC has now called it for Lamb. Pretty huge development.
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That seems premature.
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I'll admit I hadn't at all paid attention to *where* the district in question is located in PA. My maternal grandparents were from Elizabeth, and my mom grew up in Mount Oliver. My ancestral homelands!tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:11 amDoes it? He's up and the absentees that are out are from the county that favors him.
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It’s a huge win (if it holds up). If it doesn’t, it’s still a repudiation from the GOP’s base.rass wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:40 amI'll admit I hadn't at all paid attention to *where* the district in question is located in PA. My maternal grandparents were from Elizabeth, and my mom grew up in Mount Oliver. My ancestral homelands!tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:11 amDoes it? He's up and the absentees that are out are from the county that favors him.
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