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Enoch, yes, dispassionate. I do talk dumb words. And yes my only point is what got a no payroll team here maybe cost them game 6. The idea it was predictable because of ace-ness or “dealing” ignores why this was Tampa and not NYY playing tonight.
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Thanks. Snell was shaking his head in disbelief though when Cash came out.degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:51 pm I think mister d is saying that they had planned for Snell to pitch to 18 batters at most, period.
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He probably knew but was maybe hoping different. Imagine if Barnes hadn't singled, talking heads would explode.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:58 pmThanks. Snell was shaking his head in disbelief though when Cash came out.degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:51 pm I think mister d is saying that they had planned for Snell to pitch to 18 batters at most, period.
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This is what y'all rooted for in other words
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Mlb is lucky there is no game tomorrow.
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Understood, except the moment they took him out of the game, the Dodgers were given a reprieve which they took full advantage of. The Yankees lost to the Rays for a number of reasons, some of which had to do with a bizarre PH scenario where they were forced to use Gary Sanchez as a defensive replacement.
At any rate, if that’s the case, then good. Dispassionate decision-making that ignores in-game realities has its place, but to exercise it then and there, to me, made little sense.
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I’m guessing they’ll explode regardless.degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:00 pmHe probably knew but was maybe hoping different. Imagine if Barnes hadn't singled, talking heads would explode.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:58 pmThanks. Snell was shaking his head in disbelief though when Cash came out.degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:51 pm I think mister d is saying that they had planned for Snell to pitch to 18 batters at most, period.
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He probably has Covid. Brain fog.
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I think you're seeing why the NFL is just going to stop testing altogether as we get closer to the end.
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Not letting Mookie or Seager seeing you a 3rd time sounds like a set plan. If Cash did that on the cuff after striking them both out twice then hes dumber than I thought.
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All the old-time baseball dudes who hate analytics are pounding it hard tonight on twitter
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this got a big LOL from me
Sad (and a little scared) that baseball season is over, but really happy I won't hear Smoltz for many many months. That guy hasn't shut up since summer.
(wife being a Dodgers fan and all, we must have watched ~70 LAD games this year. full bottle of Prosecco downed last night...and...i'm hungover. Gave our 15yr old her first taste of the bubbly last night...she was horrified :D )
Sad (and a little scared) that baseball season is over, but really happy I won't hear Smoltz for many many months. That guy hasn't shut up since summer.
(wife being a Dodgers fan and all, we must have watched ~70 LAD games this year. full bottle of Prosecco downed last night...and...i'm hungover. Gave our 15yr old her first taste of the bubbly last night...she was horrified :D )
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I know you like to hide behind numbers because you think that’s where the logic always resides, but when your ace is dealing, you ride the hot hand.
That is where a manager earns his pay. Last night, Kevin Cash shit himself, and he lost the clubhouse in doing it.
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I definitely don’t think that should be viewed as some kind of career-defining error by Cash. The results he’s gotten over the last 3 seasons have been ridiculous, given the budgetary and talent limitations, so clearly his “process” has merit. However, the Dodgers seemed to have a pretty good read on every Rays pitcher other than Snell, so I would’ve tried to get at least 6 full innings, and probably 7, out of him. But it might not have mattered because the Dodgers probably find a way to squeeze out 2 runs regardless. The gap in offensive talent between the teams was just too big. Rays scored only 8 runs total in the 4 games they lost.
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To add to my point about Cash’s results, I know the shorter season length and extreme unbalanced schedule helped, but it’s ridiculous that he got a .667 winning percentage out of that roster to begin with.
And that’s with only getting 76 plate appearances from Arozarena (who performed at “only” an All-Star level in the regular season, as as opposed to the “2001 Barry Bonds” level he reached in the postseason).
And that’s with only getting 76 plate appearances from Arozarena (who performed at “only” an All-Star level in the regular season, as as opposed to the “2001 Barry Bonds” level he reached in the postseason).
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Is anyone pointing out this almost perfectly mirrors G7 against Houston? It seems really rough to critique a process that is proven to work far more often than not.
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This isn’t Kevin Cash’s team. He is a more of a figurehead pushing the preprogrammed buttons as defined by Erik Neander and his crew of analysts.Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:28 am To add to my point about Cash’s results, I know the shorter season length and extreme unbalanced schedule helped, but it’s ridiculous that he got a .667 winning percentage out of that roster to begin with.
And that’s with only getting 76 plate appearances from Arozarena (who performed at “only” an All-Star level in the regular season, as as opposed to the “2001 Barry Bonds” level he reached in the postseason).
Mark Carig nailed it:
There is an arrogance about the way old school baseball people talk about how the old ways are better. In an Orwellian twist, that same arrogance is now present among those who treat the conclusions drawn from numbers as absolutes. This is the game’s new ruling class.
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It's just the way the Rays do things. Like why does Choi sometimes hit 4th and sometimes hit 1st. The top 4 hitters are always changed, based on what?
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Ok, but regardless of whether you attribute responsibility to Cash or Neander, that team having a 58.9% win percentage since 2018 is very impressive given the miniscule payrolls. That’s my whole point and it’s strong evidence, over the course of nearly 400 games, that their approach has lot merit.This isn’t Kevin Cash’s team. He is a more of a figurehead pushing the preprogrammed buttons as defined by Erik Neander and his crew of analysts.
Mark Carig nailed it:
There is an arrogance about the way old school baseball people talk about how the old ways are better. In an Orwellian twist, that same arrogance is now present among those who treat the conclusions drawn from numbers as absolutes. This is the game’s new ruling class.
I already said that they should’ve left Snell in last night because the Dodgers had been hitting their bullpen guys a lot better than Snell. But that doesn’t mean the whole franchise philosophy is flawed.
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It's a good thing all those players, coaches, and their loved ones all get to go in separate directions to different places and mix with people in the next few weeks.
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I didn’t say the whole franchise philosophy is flawed. Analytics is best used at maximizing value in a roster full of first contract guys and, “huh, it turns out that guy still had something left after all” types, finding diamonds in the rough, and encouraging forward thinking like how to get through a 162 game season when the backend of your rotation is a dumpster fire, or you need to protect your TOR innings. The ‘opener’ concept took hold in Tampa. I just think analytics can become misapplied, and hell yes did we see that happen last night.Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:41 amOk, but regardless of whether you attribute responsibility to Cash or Neander, that team having a 58.9% win percentage since 2018 is very impressive given the miniscule payrolls. That’s my whole point and it’s strong evidence, over the course of nearly 400 games, that their approach has lot merit.This isn’t Kevin Cash’s team. He is a more of a figurehead pushing the preprogrammed buttons as defined by Erik Neander and his crew of analysts.
Mark Carig nailed it:
There is an arrogance about the way old school baseball people talk about how the old ways are better. In an Orwellian twist, that same arrogance is now present among those who treat the conclusions drawn from numbers as absolutes. This is the game’s new ruling class.
I already said that they should’ve left Snell in last night because the Dodgers had been hitting their bullpen guys a lot better than Snell. But that doesn’t mean the whole franchise philosophy is flawed.
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Probably mostly the starting pitcher and the opposition's bullpen arms/rest/usage.degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:14 am It's just the way the Rays do things. Like why does Choi sometimes hit 4th and sometimes hit 1st. The top 4 hitters are always changed, based on what?
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The reason Snell gets better the 3rd time through the order vs the 2nd is because if he’s still in the game, chances are good he’s got his A stuff, and for a TOR guy (1 CYA), that can mean shutdown material. He had command of all four pitches and his 9 Ks through 4 IP were the most in a WS game since ‘63 Sandy Koufax.
What’s weird is Neander actually thought Cash had yanked Morton prematurely earlier in the series. So is that decision, to not let your SP, no matter how well he’s throwing, not a hard and fast measure the Rays organization holds itself to? Was it really on Cash?
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Yes. I mean Snell allowed only 2 guys to reach base. He had recorded 16 outs out of 18 batters. Cash didn't even visit the mount to talk to Snell. It was an immediate move to the bullpen.
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man - MLB just sticks Hinch and Cora in a corner for a year and poof! back again - no worries guys!
having (once) been a Red Sox fan for a long long time - and i'm sure this applies to every fanbase, not gonna be too naive here - i'm sure there's a lot of bending over backwards to justify it. Not to mention if this were, say, the Yankees there'd be all sorts of online haymakers thrown.
but yeah, the timing was/is pretty impressive :D
having (once) been a Red Sox fan for a long long time - and i'm sure this applies to every fanbase, not gonna be too naive here - i'm sure there's a lot of bending over backwards to justify it. Not to mention if this were, say, the Yankees there'd be all sorts of online haymakers thrown.
but yeah, the timing was/is pretty impressive :D