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I'd imagine that too. Apparently Sirota is okay with that, though?
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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I'm more annoyed when tripped by a teammate.
But Sirota clearly sees the Democratic Party as opponents more than teammates, so I'm not sure how that helps.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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Kinda seems like it's Manchin and Sinema who are doing the tripping. Not the person reporting it.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:38 amI'm more annoyed when tripped by a teammate.
But Sirota clearly sees the Democratic Party as opponents more than teammates, so I'm not sure how that helps.
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They party was like 95% of the way to $15 and two people blocked it and are now profiting. You can go semantics or parse analogies, but we both know you know exactly what everyone is saying here.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:38 amI'm more annoyed when tripped by a teammate.
But Sirota clearly sees the Democratic Party as opponents more than teammates, so I'm not sure how that helps.
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Just so I'm clear, you agree that the Democratic Party, led by Joe Biden, is 95% on board with a $15 minimum wage?mister d wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:53 amThey party was like 95% of the way to $15 and two people blocked it and are now profiting. You can go semantics or parse analogies, but we both know you know exactly what everyone is saying here.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:38 amI'm more annoyed when tripped by a teammate.
But Sirota clearly sees the Democratic Party as opponents more than teammates, so I'm not sure how that helps.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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I'm not particularly surprised or even disappointed that Manchin leans right; that's the only way he could possibly win in West Virginia. I'm much more disappointed in Sinema. I naively thought that a nutty, LGBT woman would've been more progressive instead of being so beholden to bipartisanship.
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I said they were 95% of the way there and allowed two people to obstruct. Probably not the same thing.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:55 amJust so I'm clear, you agree that the Democratic Party, led by Joe Biden, is 95% on board with a $15 minimum wage?
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"Allowed".mister d wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:01 pmI said they were 95% of the way there and allowed two people to obstruct. Probably not the same thing.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:55 amJust so I'm clear, you agree that the Democratic Party, led by Joe Biden, is 95% on board with a $15 minimum wage?
Yes, once again, the Democrats allowed 48 to be less than 50. They suck.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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I ask this sincerely: How many less wins would the GOP have had during the last admin if Schumer rather than McConnell was in charge of getting Murkowski/Collins/Romney et all in line?
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I'm not talking about outliers, I'm asking overall, how much less successful would they have been pushing the McConnell/Republican agenda.
I'm not talking about outliers, I'm asking overall, how much less successful would they have been pushing the McConnell/Republican agenda.
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the same number because you subtract those three and add Pence and you still have a GOP majority from 2018-20 (because there was no one else with a remote chance of deviating from a party-line vote)
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How do you want me to well-actually proof phrase this? "Would Schumer have gotten Kavanaugh and Barrett seated?" Does that work for the point I'm trying to make and the answer "some people here" are trying to avoid?
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With a majority made up of Senators who wholeheartedly wanted to see Kavanaugh and Barrett on the Supreme Court, as McConnell had? Yes.
What evidence do you have that McConnell is more able to force R senators to do what they don't want than Schumer does with D senators?
Hell, I'm old enough to remember when McConnell couldn't get ACA repeal through the Senate despite having a majority.
Edit: Let's also turn the clock way back to March 6, 2021. Two of the worst human beings on the planet, Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema, both cast decisive votes in favor of "the most significant legislation for working people that has been passed in decades."
If Chuck Schumer is responsible when either or both of them *don't* vote for something the Democrats want, isn't he also responsible for their votes on the ARP Act?
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sometimes I feel like you're intentionally P**N***-level obtuse in these discussions in an attempt further your argument when the inverse may actually be the reality
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The argument was that two Dems were profiting off their tanking of the $15 minimum wage. Steve asked why people aren't equally mad at Republicans. It devolved from there into whether Schumer had any ability or desire to lead the party as a whole. If you want to say I shouldn't have bothered taking the diversion bait ... sure. But which part is obtuse, willfully or not?
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The hypothetical question you asked, namely.
It's fair to say that the Democratic coalition -- if you want to call it that -- is much more broad than the Republican one is. And I say that as an observation, and not a defense of anyone or anything. I don't think it's all that unexpected or surprising to see 4 percent of the Democrats in the Senate not in line on that. it's just more noticeable because the majority margin is so thin.
and as to the original question above -- none. The GOP had both chambers and the executive for two years and then a three-seat edge in the senate for the last two of that presidential term.
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Yes, you never should have responded to the person who brought up Schumer. Who was that, anyway?mister d wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:24 pm The argument was that two Dems were profiting off their tanking of the $15 minimum wage. Steve asked why people aren't equally mad at Republicans. It devolved from there into whether Schumer had any ability or desire to lead the party as a whole. If you want to say I shouldn't have bothered taking the diversion bait ... sure. But which part is obtuse, willfully or not?
Anyway, I didn't realize that the argument was that two Dems were profiting off their tanking of the wage. I don't know if I buy that - I thought Sinema and Manchin tanked the minimum wage because they are terrible people.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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I don’t know if I buy this. I think they vote far more narrowly, but I don’t think they’re all tightly bunched ideologically.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:04 pmIt's fair to say that the Democratic coalition -- if you want to call it that -- is much more broad than the Republican one is.
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Maybe better put, I doubt many Dems vote against their conscience nearly as often as a lot of republicans do. They play as a team.
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This Florida anti-riot bill is just some classic big-government conservatism. Shit is nuts and is so obviously going to be rampantly abused.
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/ ... /Filed/PDF
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/ ... /Filed/PDF
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what in the turquoise fuckA minor whose driver license or driving privilege
452 is revoked, suspended, or withheld under subsection (8)(7) may
453 elect to reduce the period of revocation, suspension, or
454 withholding by performing community service at the rate of 1 day
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456 the court determines that due to a family hardship, the minor's
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463 "community service" means cleaning graffiti from public
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This is some Nazi-ass shit
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That's the law that removes civil liability for running a protestor over with your car, is it not?
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Yep. It's chock full of ridiculousness.
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It also allows citizens to sue their local governments for inadequate protection during a protest, basically giving cops an even pointier jackboot.
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And there's no liability if the municipality in any way "obstructs or infringes" on the actions of the municipal police force (which is odd as if this bill becomes law there will no longer be any such thing as a municipal police force in practice).govmentchedda wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:24 pm It also allows citizens to sue their local governments for inadequate protection during a protest, basically giving cops an even pointier jackboot.
Anyway get ready to go clean some graffiti, poor kids with suspended licenses.
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Did Home Depot take a Conservative stand on something? So bizarre. I love how he put the board in a plastic bag to create waste to own the Libs.
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Is there a single con commentator who isn’t an abject dipshit?
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Not only that, but he owned the libs by buying a premium product since lumber prices are through the roof. MONEY!
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And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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The co-founder is/was a huge Trump supporter.The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:43 am Did Home Depot take a Conservative stand on something? So bizarre. I love how he put the board in a plastic bag to create waste to own the Libs.
Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus: Trump deserves a second term and has my vote. Here's why
President Trump has stared down COVID-19, the biggest threat this country has faced in at least a generation. If re-elected, he will quickly end this COVID nightmare and restart the American dream. Just look at Thursday's record 33.1 percent GDP growth for the latest proof.
Trump deserves a second term not despite his COVID-19 response, but because of it. While Democrats try to blame Trump for the roughly 220,000 disease victims, far more would have perished if Joe Biden were in office.
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