Oscars 2022

[Nonlinear FC]

Me too, Ryan... That's another thing in this thread I wasn't really sure about. And in general... I heard Rich Eisen on this topic and he was calling it a horrible joke and some of his crew were like, why is comparing Jada to a jacked (and beautiful) Demi Moore such a huge insult. They, like I think the vast majority of the world, had no idea Jada has alopecia.

Assuming Rock knew this "because he had long standing beef" with the Smiths, as was mentioned here and elsewhere, is making a number of pretty huge leaps.

Also, found this interesting from Kareem: https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smit ... O54pTM&s=r

[Ryan]

Right I was trying to make that point earlier somewhere.

And again, I don't blame anyone who assumes bad intentions because that's what the segment is for and that's what Chris Rock sometimes does but if he later that night walks into a Children's Hospital and sees a black girl with no hair and goes "Wow look at you! They should put you in the Dora Milaje!" that's a sweet thing to say.

See avatar, per usual.

[EnochRoot]

Right I was trying to make that point earlier somewhere.

And again, I don't blame anyone who assumes bad intentions because that's what the segment is for and that's what Chris Rock sometimes does but if he later that night walks into a Children's Hospital and sees a black girl with no hair and goes "Wow look at you! They should put you in the Dora Milaje!" that's a sweet thing to say.

See avatar, per usual.

We’ve all seen roasts where after the last needling, the comedian pivots and speaks with genuine affection towards the target. Frankly, it’s not out of question that Rock wouldn’t have done something similar about how GI Jane was a symbol of strength and beauty for women a generation ago, “Looking forward with you, Jada…”

Instead, he got smacked into next week LOL

[mister d]

The delivery implied it was a hair joke and not a nod to a strong woman, no? Like written down, you can argue its a toss-up. Video says its a bald joke.

And I don't particularly care if Rock did or didn't know the reasoning. The reason was out there and the onus is on him to know if he's bringing it up.

[EnochRoot]

The delivery implied it was a hair joke and not a nod to a strong woman, no? Like written down, you can argue its a toss-up. Video says its a bald joke.

And I don't particularly care if Rock did or didn't know the reasoning. The reason was out there and the onus is on him to know if he's bringing it up.

It was a hair joke, but once he referenced GI Jane, images of a self-assured, strong & sexy woman are conjured.

Gloria Allred on line 1.

[P.D.X.]

DIdn't realize that CR had produced the "Good Hair" documentary. That adds +1 callous points.

[mister d]

[tennbengal]

Did anyone get Jim Everett or Jim Rome to chime in and re-live their five minutes?

[degenerasian]

[rass]

[Johnnie]

From the beginning of the latest Flagrant 2 podcast with Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh

[Giff]

I've spent parts of the last few days thinking of things I could say to these assholes that would definitely result in a punch. I have a good one specifically for Patton Oswalt if I ever get a chance to meet him. COMEDY!

[L-Jam3]

Anti-vax motherfucker says what?

[Giff]

Jesus Christ "the lasting impact of Will Smith's actions". :rolleyes:

[Johnnie]

Tommy Bunnz. 100% not playing a character.



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[Nonlinear FC]

Other than a few, like Tiffany Haddish, I haven't seen a lot of comedians defending Will on this. I, too, saw that Pat-Tom back and forth and I think that sentiment captures where the dozens of interviews and quote I've seen.

Dana Carvey and David Spade have a podcast and they had an interesting exchange... they are both friends with Rock, and they all share childhoods riddled with being bullied because they were diminutive. Both mentioned being triggered by the whole thing.

Another thing that was pointed out, and maybe it's obvious but I hadn't picked up on it... Chris' hands are clasped behind his back when Smith smacks him. Characterize that how you wish... I had feelings.

[A_B]

Other than a few, like Tiffany Haddish, I haven't seen a lot of comedians defending Will on this. I, too, saw that Pat-Tom back and forth and I think that sentiment captures where the dozens of interviews and quote I've seen.

Dana Carvey and David Spade have a podcast and they had an interesting exchange... they are both friends with Rock, and they all share childhoods riddled with being bullied because they were diminutive. Both mentioned being triggered by the whole thing.

Another thing that was pointed out, and maybe it's obvious but I hadn't picked up on it... Chris' hands are clasped behind his back when Smith smacks him. Characterize that how you wish... I had feelings.

I have what will likely be an undoubtedly unpopular opinion with certain segments. These stand up comedians often get their material from histories of pain or something that lets comedy be the outlet, and bullying is probably a fairly common thread. So the people who were sick of getting beat up by the pulling guard all week only to go out on the weekend and watch the quarterback get all the girls now are afraid that the quarterback is now going to come attack them on stage. Tortured artists still with the bully in the back of their minds. Right or wrong, it happens. And when it happens, they show it on TV a lot.









(I'd like to thank Todd Snider for co-writing this post)

[mister d]

Is mocking a woman's hair or lack thereof no longer bullying?

[Giff]

It’s comedy mister d!

[A_B]

The joke was definitely in poor taste. Plus, Chris Rock isn't an "insult" comic. If Triumph was up there riffing, would the same have happened? Probably not, even though that would have been hilarious but also would have gotten PETA in an uproar instead of stand ups.

I guess basically I'm saying everyone needs to punch Jim Gaffigan.

[mister d]

"If you don't want to be made fun of in front of millions of people, don't go to an awards show for movies."

[A_B]

"If you don't want to be made fun of in front of millions of people, don't go to an awards show for movies."

Shoot, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon didn't even go and got roasted!

[Johnnie]

Other than a few, like Tiffany Haddish, I haven't seen a lot of comedians defending Will on this. I, too, saw that Pat-Tom back and forth and I think that sentiment captures where the dozens of interviews and quote I've seen.

Dana Carvey and David Spade have a podcast and they had an interesting exchange... they are both friends with Rock, and they all share childhoods riddled with being bullied because they were diminutive. Both mentioned being triggered by the whole thing.

Another thing that was pointed out, and maybe it's obvious but I hadn't picked up on it... Chris' hands are clasped behind his back when Smith smacks him. Characterize that how you wish... I had feelings.

Larry Wilmore made this point too. I also had to go back and watch it and already thought I had analyzed every frame.

[A_B]

Other than a few, like Tiffany Haddish, I haven't seen a lot of comedians defending Will on this. I, too, saw that Pat-Tom back and forth and I think that sentiment captures where the dozens of interviews and quote I've seen.

Dana Carvey and David Spade have a podcast and they had an interesting exchange... they are both friends with Rock, and they all share childhoods riddled with being bullied because they were diminutive. Both mentioned being triggered by the whole thing.

Another thing that was pointed out, and maybe it's obvious but I hadn't picked up on it... Chris' hands are clasped behind his back when Smith smacks him. Characterize that how you wish... I had feelings.

Larry Wilmore made this point too. I also had to go back and watch it and already thought I had analyzed every frame.

The Slapruder Film.

[Johnnie]

Is mocking a woman's hair or lack thereof no longer bullying?

Cracking a single joke in a public forum is not bullying.

A pathological requirement to every standup he's ever done dumping on bald women in his act city after city and establishing a gross trend of making it a point would be bullying.

Why are you Republican-sharing-a-negative-Democrat-Facebook-meme level reductive like this?

It’s comedy mister d!

The real comedy is grown adults thinking violence is a fair way to respond to words they don't like.

[sancarlos]

(I'd like to thank Todd Snider for co-writing this post)

I'm not trying to preach to ya either, I'm just trying to sing to ya too, you know string a few words together...
Hey kids...Let's get it onnn!🎶

[mister d]

So a one-off joke should be treated as a one-off, a one-off response should be treated as a slippery slope and a slap is "violence". Gotcha!

[teeteebee]

So a one-off joke should be treated as a one-off, a one-off response should be treated as a slippery slope and a slap is "violence". Gotcha!

Sticks and stones…

[mister d]

There’s a reason it’s not “sticks and slaps …”

[pruitt2]

So a one-off joke should be treated as a one-off, a one-off response should be treated as a slippery slope and a slap is "violence". Gotcha!

Sticks and stones…

How is this even up for discussion five days later?

Guy acted like a complete and utter asshole and embarrassed himself in front of the world.

[A_B]

So a one-off joke should be treated as a one-off, a one-off response should be treated as a slippery slope and a slap is "violence". Gotcha!

Sticks and stones…

How is this even up for discussion five days later?

Guy acted like a complete and utter asshole and embarrassed himself in front of the world.

And he got slapped for his trouble!

[Johnnie]

Like, what the fuck are we even debating right now?
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[mister d]

I think we could have a normal debate on how this can constitute bullying in either direction? My guess is that when Carvey and Spade were bullied in high school, its not because the eventual bully was sitting with his girlfriend and they walked up unprovoked to talk shit about her appearance.

[L-Jam3]

I know this is much less important, but was Will Smith’s win warranted? Did anyone see King Richard to give an opinion on his acting in it? Or was it more a case that he was due and it was his turn?

[pruitt2]

I know this is much less important, but was Will Smith’s win warranted? Did anyone see King Richard to give an opinion on his acting in it? Or was it more a case that he was due and it was his turn?

My daughter - the expert in all things pop culture - saw all of the nominated films and said he was excellent.

[Giff]

The real comedy is grown adults thinking violence is a fair way to respond to words they don't like.

Or a member of our armed forces not being able to fucking read?

[duff]

The real comedy is grown adults thinking violence is a fair way to respond to words they don't like.

Or a member of our armed forces not being able to fucking read?

That isn't far off, and the only force about the Air Force is in the name.

[Nonlinear FC]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/entertai ... index.html

10 year ban for Smith.

Seems about right, to me.

[Rex]

Already looking forward to the 2033 Oscars

[Giff]

Already looking forward to the 2033 Oscars

I truly hope Amy Schumer has recovered by then.