Presidential Election 2024

[Rex]

I think it’s absolutely brilliant to wait until the media is two mimosas into their brunch at the Hamptons when doing this. With decision making like that, I kind of wish he stayed in the race.

[HaulCitgo]

Just doesn't matter. Has to be the whole of the democratic apparatus to defeat trump. Have to pick someone but more important not to devolve into a fight.

Everyone in Chicago on the same page which is egos and aspirations aside to win. Ubuntu. Doc rivers it is

[mister d]

I think it’s absolutely brilliant to wait until the media is two mimosas into their brunch at the Hamptons when doing this. With decision making like that, I kind of wish he stayed in the race.

Gives them time to get the messaging straight to their side of the media for Monday. I don’t mind.

[brian]

I think it’s absolutely brilliant to wait until the media is two mimosas into their brunch at the Hamptons when doing this. With decision making like that, I kind of wish he stayed in the race.

Gives them time to get the messaging straight to their side of the media for Monday. I don’t mind.

Yeah timing is perfect to be honest. And should be said that no matter what happens no one better ever come for Joe Biden. He’s a patriot and there’s no guarantee that even if Harris (or whoever) loses that the outcome would have been any different if he never tried to run. If anything dropping out with 100 days left could light a huge fire under the Dems.

[mister d]

Are we going to ignore he needed like 100 people to publicly scream at him to make the obvious call and, had they not, almost certainly would have stayed in and guaranteed a second trump term?

[brian]

Are we going to ignore he needed like 100 people to publicly scream at him to make the obvious call and, had they not, almost certainly would have stayed in and guaranteed a second trump term?

Yes.

[teeteebee]

If anything dropping out with 100 days left could light a huge fire under the Dems.

Was it just a mild fire before?

[brian]

If anything dropping out with 100 days left could light a huge fire under the Dems.

Was it just a mild fire before?

I’d say almost no fire or else Biden wouldn’t have had to drop out, no?

[tennbengal]

had to happen, at least now the loss won't be pre-baked.

[tennbengal]

also., this is gonna be Kamala - not any other option really in these circumstances

[Rex]

By the way if you’re looking for a white guy who gets people excited, is unabashedly pro-America, and already has multiple TV appearances lined up….Rowdy Gaines is right there looking at you

[teeteebee]

If anything dropping out with 100 days left could light a huge fire under the Dems.

Was it just a mild fire before?

I’d say almost no fire or else Biden wouldn’t have had to drop out, no?

So, by fire, you meant chance of winning? Or energy from the base?

If hope is oxygen, then perhaps this increases the fire. But if desire is the measurement, I’d say that was already there.

[brian]

also., this is gonna be Kamala - not any other option really in these circumstances

I think people are underestimating her and once the campaign actually starts and the choices are a doddering Trump and someone vastly younger with serious public speaking chops it’ll be anyone’s ballgame. Plus Harris gets to run on the not insignificant accomplishments in the last 4 years. In a way it’s the best of both worlds. No Biden baggage but can claim his victories.

[tennbengal]

also., this is gonna be Kamala - not any other option really in these circumstances

I think people are underestimating her and once the campaign actually starts and the choices are a doddering Trump and someone vastly younger with serious public speaking chops it’ll be anyone’s ballgame. Plus Harris gets to run on the not insignificant accomplishments in the last 4 years. In a way it’s the best of both worlds. No Biden baggage but can claim his victories.

I think she has the best chance of winning at this point, yes.

[The Sybian]

also., this is gonna be Kamala - not any other option really in these circumstances

I think people are underestimating her and once the campaign actually starts and the choices are a doddering Trump and someone vastly younger with serious public speaking chops it’ll be anyone’s ballgame. Plus Harris gets to run on the not insignificant accomplishments in the last 4 years. In a way it’s the best of both worlds. No Biden baggage but can claim his victories.

While I think the administration has been pretty successful, I’d bet public sentiment is negative. Republicans do a much better job of messaging that Biden caused massive inflation, the horrors of Biden’s open borders, rampant crime destroying cities… than Dems have done touting their successes.

[brian]

also., this is gonna be Kamala - not any other option really in these circumstances

I think people are underestimating her and once the campaign actually starts and the choices are a doddering Trump and someone vastly younger with serious public speaking chops it’ll be anyone’s ballgame. Plus Harris gets to run on the not insignificant accomplishments in the last 4 years. In a way it’s the best of both worlds. No Biden baggage but can claim his victories.

While I think the administration has been pretty successful, I’d bet public sentiment is negative. Republicans do a much better job of messaging that Biden caused massive inflation, the horrors of Biden’s open borders, rampant crime destroying cities… than Dems have done touting their successes.

Maybe changing the messenger will help, no? Especially someone who doesn’t stumble in stump speeches?

[The Sybian]

also., this is gonna be Kamala - not any other option really in these circumstances

I think people are underestimating her and once the campaign actually starts and the choices are a doddering Trump and someone vastly younger with serious public speaking chops it’ll be anyone’s ballgame. Plus Harris gets to run on the not insignificant accomplishments in the last 4 years. In a way it’s the best of both worlds. No Biden baggage but can claim his victories.

While I think the administration has been pretty successful, I’d bet public sentiment is negative. Republicans do a much better job of messaging that Biden caused massive inflation, the horrors of Biden’s open borders, rampant crime destroying cities… than Dems have done touting their successes.

Maybe changing the messenger will help, no? Especially someone who doesn’t stumble in stump speeches?

Definitely can’t hurt.

[Rex]

My god

[rass]

My god

Initially thought that you were getting your Rowdy’s crossed.

[Brontoburglar]

the simple electoral benefit of adding a popular governor from a state like, say, Pennsylvania or North Carolina cannot be ignored in the slightest

obviously whoever wins PA is likely to win the election, but I'd argue that North Carolina is as important because it's a flip opportunity + it potentially prevents Robinson from winning the governor's office and has downballot effects in a state with quickly-growing suburbs

[garyclark]

Kamala - Shapiro 2024

[sancarlos]

Kamala - Shapiro 2024

Makes sense. Not only to help in PA, but it might shore up support among Jewish voters who have noted Trump’s outspoken support for Israel. (I’ll defer to the local Tribesmen on that…)

[HaulCitgo]

I like the two women approach as a contrast but defer to michganders on whitmer. Paths are narrow. I don't believe in North Carolina or anywhere in the South. Are there no options in the southwest?

[tennbengal]

I've decided to re-watch Veep. Already a great choice.

[DSafetyGuy]

My god

I thought this was actually in reaction to the announcement that the CW hired Brennaman to do college football games this fall. From Tom Ley at Defector....

Marchand reveals that Brennaman, encouraged by the fact that Perry Sook, the CEO of The CW's parent company, is a fellow alum of Ohio University, sent a cold email to the company's PR department. That got Brennaman in the door, and eventually he landed the college football gig.

[brian]

I like the two women approach as a contrast but defer to michganders on whitmer. Paths are narrow. I don't believe in North Carolina or anywhere in the South. Are there no options in the southwest?

NV and AZ gonna be tough this cycle and not that many EVs to begin with. It’s all about the Midwest. I don’t think Whitmer would necessarily matter in MI. I like Harris’ chances there anyway but ironically she might help in WI and PA where the sledding might be tougher. Whitmer has the tough Midwestern hockey mom thing and it works for her.

[The Sybian]

My god

Initially thought that you were getting your Rowdy’s crossed.

For others who need an explanation: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/07/nick-c ... n-reaction

[Baloney]

“Sources close to Sen. Joe Manchin, an independent of West Virginia, say he’s considering re-registering as a Democrat and throwing his hat into the ring to run for president.”

[tennbengal]

[Steve of phpBB]

Let’s fucking hope.

[brian]

Trump’s whole goading the Dems to dump Biden has a real “fuck around and find out” vibe.

[brian]

Also relevant from Pierce today:

There will be time enough later to assess the significance of President Biden’s act of patriotism, and to assess why the only coherent plan forward involves Vice-President Harris at the top of the ticket. For now, though, the president has strengthened his friends and sown confusion among his enemies. That’s not bad for a Sunday in July.

[Johnnie]

I want Kendrick Lamar at the DNC.

Say Trump, I hear you like 'em young
You better not ever go to cell block 1

[Rex]

[A_B]

By the way if you’re looking for a white guy who gets people excited, is unabashedly pro-America, and already has multiple TV appearances lined up….Rowdy Gaines is right there looking at you

Just keep Rylie Gaines away.

[Rex]

I have always assumed AB to look like Fabio so this is a bit surprising.

[A_B]

I, for one, kind of love the idea of Trump having to defeat a Black/Indian woman. He's gonna fuck up badly and do some mid-to-heavy misogyny.

Which of course, we here in the swamp will understand completely.

[A_B]

I have always assumed AB to look like Fabio so this is a bit surprising.

If you haven't seen a picture of me yet I don't know how. But I do look much more like that AB than Fabio.

[L-Jam3]

Last week I was getting really down and discouraged about this. All the news coming like a fire hose broke me, and I needed to take a mental break, as there's other shit going on in my life that is making it too difficult. But this is really like a B12 shot.

Let's give the old dog his plaudits. He did all of this behind the scenes, so quickly that he had the endorsements lined up, and he did this all without leaks. At the risk of getting too Bill Simmons-esque, that some coordination like Michael Corleone at Connie's baby's baptism. And then pulling an Irish goodbye? Classic.

A black woman. That's gold, man. There's no way they get to Election Day without dropping some N-Bombs. And she can just eat him alive on his failures. I'm fucking pumped. Now who can be the VP nom? I'm liking Mark Kelly. Because a former combat pilot, fucking astronaut, and a gun-control advocate? God, he'd fuck up that Private Joker-ass MotherFucker.

And let's not forget the infusion of cash. I just send $$$ to the national party, and the Democratic party in NC and AZ. We're going to fuck those bastards in the ear. I can't fucking wait to kick some ass. Between this and the Olympics this week, my Amerection is at full attention.

ETA: And I dumped the NYT last week too. Even Wordle. Fart-sniffing, thumb-on-the-scale-ass motherfuckers. They can fuck all the way off too. I also turned off alerts from the news apps, and man, finding out Biden's plans here instead of a news banner was refreshing.

[tennbengal]

ActBlue pulled in $52 million yesterday, which was fun to see given the narratives that were circulating that this was all orchestrated by the big donors - near as I can tell - the base through the polling and lack of enthusiasm was what pushed this along with...(points at Biden as he currently is)...and then seeing the money pour in already from small donors underscores it. Really, just having someone able to actually campaign will be a huge step forward.

Anecdotally, at Jen's work in central office for Bal City Schools, she said that very distressingly up to today, the younger crowd and her persons of color co-workers were VERY much down on voting for biden and were sitting it out (which was a PROBLEM even in maryland given that we have a very contested senate seat) but that there is already a sea change this AM around her with people there fired up over Harris. I know, just an anecdote and small sample size but it is not nothing, either.