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I was born in Tulsa.

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I always wanted to visit Tulsa. Haven't made it yet. But I visited Oklahoma City a couple years ago. My org co-planned a small convening that was hosted there with a local organization.

They have some really good restaurants and bars. Lots of different cuisines. Public art and murals celebrating diversity and promoting tolerance. Incredible coffee shops, walkable neighborhoods. Some really nice parts to the city with great character. I was really pleasantly surprised.

AND ... these people live with tornadoes like other people live with snow. But unlike a snowstorm, a tornado can rip up your entire house and throw it into the next county, along with you and your family. But like, they happen so frequently, it's just part of the lifestyle. Turns out that is why the National Weather Service HQ is located there. It is completely normalized. And I had absolutely zero idea, and felt like an East Coast elitist idiot.

On my Lyft from the airport, my driver asked me if I was there to go tornado-chasing. I thought he was joking. But he said most of the folks he had picked up from the airport that day have been from all over the world because ... wait for it ... IT'S TORNADO SEASON. What does that even mean? How can there be a season for tornadoes?

But guess what? There is. And I was there for it. And yet the organization we were partnering with to host an event in Oklahoma had not even thought - not one of them, on a number of planning calls - had ever thought to mention this to the rest of us who were coming from different parts of the country where people are (rightfully) utterly terrified of tornadoes.

That's why they were shooting Twisters less than a mile from my hotel (which had tornado safety signs everywhere - not temporary signs, mind you - but permanent signs directing you what to do during a tornado).

My first evening there we got word that there was a tornado watch. The after-school activities throughout the area were canceled (like we would for an incoming snowstorm). But no one we were with seemed to care.

Then it escalated to a tornado warning. We out-of-towners wanted to cancel our reservations at Chicken & Pickleball. Our Oklahoman friends rolled their eyes at us. I looked it up on the NWS website, and showed them that: "A warning means you should seek shelter without delay." They were unmoved.

We called up Chicken & Pickleball, and they said they were open as normal, and we should come over ... to a place where we would be outdoors, and where the building is covered by mostly glass doors and windows, i.e. entering a tornado deathtrap.

We outvoted the locals and had the food delivered to the hotel. One of them decided to drive 30 minutes home instead of staying. She wasn't worried about being devoured by a funnel of death. Not at all. She was more worried about the softball-sized hail that comes with the tornados sometimes denting the roof of her car.

The hotel bar and lobby was hopping with folks, mostly Oklahomans, who were gathering and watching the news as if we were watching a football game. Four tornadoes and counting had been confirmed to touch down around us over the span of about 30 minutes.

And then the whole light in the lobby changed, and I looked outside, and the sky was this weird golden yellow (even though it was dusky and grey earlier). I asked what it meant. And the guy next to me said, that means we are in the ideal conditions for a tornado to touch down, then sipped his beer, and continued his conversation.

After a few hours, the warning went back down to a watch. And the TVs switched to ESPN. And I went to bed.

The next day, on my Lyft to the airport, my driver asked me if I saw any of the tornadoes the night before. When I replied I had only seen the footage on the news, he was genuinely disappointed. I could tell he really felt bad for me. He started telling me about when he was a kid, and a tornado would come close, and he and his friends would run out into the backyard.

"Nothing like a tornado," he said wistfully. "Maybe you'll get luckier the next time you visit."

I haven't been back.
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gary i just had to read through that twice.

i am fascinated and terrified by the thought of a tornado. I've always thought I'd love to see one "safely" from about 10 miles away but actually yeah fuckthat.

also: *Chicken & Pickleball???*
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I was listening to a podcast (The Town, from The Ringer) last week discussing the disappointing international box office results for Twisters (despite Twister doing pretty well back in the 90s) and I ended up googling "do other countries have tornadoes" or something like that and they do but just barely and WE'RE #1! USA! USA!

"The South" sees less tornadoes than the plains but more fatalities because terrain and because for some reason they're more likely to happen at night.
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it really is the hail and straight-line winds that you have to worry about more often than not. OKC and the surrounds get way more (and way more significant) tornadoes than we do here, but they're not uncommon at all and they're just a part of life. you watch the news, hope they have the helicopter up to track it and see where it's going.

but there's been way more damage in and around the metro here over the past 10 years from winds associated with a line of thunderstorms and hail (plus flooding). we've been in a cycle over the past 5-10 years where we get all our rain at once. we may end up with average or rainier than average months but it's not because it rains multiple days a week, it's because it rains 3 inches in 90 minutes and floods creeks and basements (and likely had wind and hail associated with it)

ETA: the way that climate change has affected tornado season is fascinating and will obviously be studied more in-depth as the seasons go by. we're about to enter second tornado season here (you need the cooler air aloft to get tornadoes going, which is why their preponderance shifts north during the summer) and it really feels like tornadoes are Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama's new winter normal
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yeah this is a term I don't know if I'd never really heard before my latest job (Fed; one small task is to help track disasters or potential disasters for the SBA) but we track straight-line winds on a daily basis and a good chunk of assistance goes to these "events"

Tornado alley is shifting east and at an oddly-rapid pace. Already have had more tornadoes in WNY this year than at any point in history - had one *touch down in Buffalo* last month (amazingly nobody hurt). Fun!

Brontoburglar wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:18 am it really is the hail and straight-line winds that you have to worry about more often than not. OKC and the surrounds get way more (and way more significant) tornadoes than we do here, but they're not uncommon at all and they're just a part of life. you watch the news, hope they have the helicopter up to track it and see where it's going.

but there's been way more damage in and around the metro here over the past 10 years from winds associated with a line of thunderstorms and hail (plus flooding). we've been in a cycle over the past 5-10 years where we get all our rain at once. we may end up with average or rainier than average months but it's not because it rains multiple days a week, it's because it rains 3 inches in 90 minutes and floods creeks and basements (and likely had wind and hail associated with it)

ETA: the way that climate change has affected tornado season is fascinating and will obviously be studied more in-depth as the seasons go by. we're about to enter second tornado season here (you need the cooler air aloft to get tornadoes going, which is why their preponderance shifts north during the summer) and it really feels like tornadoes are Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama's new winter normal
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MaxWebster wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:41 amTornado alley is shifting east and at an oddly-rapid pace. Already have had more tornadoes in WNY this year than at any point in history - had one *touch down in Buffalo* last month (amazingly nobody hurt). Fun!
We also had 16 tornados touch down in the area in a one-week span this summer.
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I will never forget being 7 or 8 years old and standing in the backyard watching a set of three twisters come toward us across the cornfield. Sky was a beautiful peach hue. Everything was pretty quiet. All five of us just standing watching it get closer and then sprinting to our neighbors to wait it out in their basement. The twisters hopped towards the east and took out a farm house.

And just last month my old elementary school had the whole west side of the gymnasium ripped off by a tornado. Less then 3 miles from my parents. They didn't even realize it was that close.

And I hated Tulsa when I was there many years ago. Can't tell you why, but I didn't like it.
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I won't remember the details exactly.

But one other thing I learned about OKC is that there used to be many areas - where people built homes and business and I think this includes most of downtown - where tornadoes touching down were really rare. It's one of the reasons people built there.

But in order to build/expand a highway, they cut through a range of hills/mountains, and now the tornadoes have a place to cut through and have started to hit the more densely populated areas more frequently than before.
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This is my only near-first hand knowledge of tornados: November 1989 tornado outbreak
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Growing up in MI, tornado drills in school were a thing, though they really weren't very common.

Moving to MD and it was absolutely not even a consideration (mid-80s)... Now, while not common, it has become a thing.

Curious if lifelong MD boys have a take.
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Been hit by 2 tornados in my life

Was playing football with friends across the street from the place shown at 1:36 in the video.


Early June 1995 in Ogalala, NE. Decided to stop watching Pure Country and get a snack after a run (Was driving cross country). Was in a glass enclosed gas station. There was a middle school girls baketball team in there as well. Made the decision to run with our nachos and Gatorade back across the parking lots to the hotel. Everyone was on the main floor. Made a lady cry with "Well at least if we are going to die, we have nachos". Saw the twister very clearly on that one.
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Saw a dude waterskiing at dawn right off Lakeshore Drive in Chicago this morning.

I got a pretty cool photo of it, and I'd share here, but all my pics from my phone seem too big for The Swamp. Any tips on that?
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I set up a burner Twitter account, post the photo there, then link to the tweet.

That has to be the least efficient way possible - but it's easy.
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garyclark wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:40 pm Saw a dude waterskiing at dawn right off Lakeshore Drive in Chicago this morning.

I got a pretty cool photo of it, and I'd share here, but all my pics from my phone seem too big for The Swamp. Any tips on that?
Link to your IG post. It was nice, BTW.
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Hitting Berlin for 5ish days next week with the fam (wife is running the Marathon) any museums, eats, etc. that we can't miss?
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
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Rush2112 wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:51 pm Hitting Berlin for 5ish days next week with the fam (wife is running the Marathon) any museums, eats, etc. that we can't miss?
I found the Topography of Terror Museum quite interesting.

We also did an e-bike tour that we really loved. The outfit was based in the Alexanderplatz.
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govmentchedda wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:43 pm
garyclark wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:40 pm Saw a dude waterskiing at dawn right off Lakeshore Drive in Chicago this morning.

I got a pretty cool photo of it, and I'd share here, but all my pics from my phone seem too big for The Swamp. Any tips on that?
Link to your IG post. It was nice, BTW.
Thanks!
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Out of the five states we drove in the last two days I would like to say sincerely fuck off, Tennessee drivers.
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Got a week and a camper van in Iceland coming up. Anyone got any hot rec's? Prob gonna stick to the south & west areas because winter is coming.
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was like 15 yrs ago but Gulfoss Falls was well worth the drive (which that alone is awesome). Just be careful, there were literally no guardrails so if you want to fall in you can fall in. Geysir is closeby, there's a (surprise) geyser there that's cool. One day we hired a 4x4 driver to take us all over the "wilderness" - I'm trying to find the itinerary and will post it if i still have it; he drove us over a glacier right up near a southern cliff and pointed out "next land that way is Antartica" which was a little mind-blowing. He took us to some black-sand beach by a lake is the one I'm trying to remember/find.

Anyways Gullfoss/Geysir is a good day trip from Reykjavik.
P.D.X. wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:33 am Got a week and a camper van in Iceland coming up. Anyone got any hot rec's? Prob gonna stick to the south & west areas because winter is coming.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:41 pm
Rush2112 wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:51 pm Hitting Berlin for 5ish days next week with the fam (wife is running the Marathon) any museums, eats, etc. that we can't miss?
I found the Topography of Terror Museum quite interesting.

We also did an e-bike tour that we really loved. The outfit was based in the Alexanderplatz.
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Indianapolis: underrated city.

Bigger than you think with more to do than you expect. Underrated restaurants and great bars. Pretty great airport too.

Pro tip: if you go when there's not a race/convention/athletic tournament/big game, they have gorgeous boutique hotels that run $500-1K+/night during big events for $175-250/night when there aren't events.

The Bottleworks district (and hotel) is my favorite part of of town. But there are a bunch of cool areas.

On the flipside, many of the unfancy business traveler hotels (i.e. the three-stars in the Hilton/Marriott/Hyatt chains) in Indy are worse than their peers in other cities because they have so much guaranteed business.
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seconded. the JW on weekends where there isn't anything going on is a phenomenal value + you can walk all over downtown via the skylink

the JW on event weekends, yeah you ain't staying there unless you're forking over half a mortgage payment

Indy beer scene is very solid. have always enjoyed my seemingly annual trips there outside of racing.
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You guys saw Duff go ballistic on Shirley, so now you are sucking up to him.
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Is the JW the one you can look into the baseball stadium? Had a conference there starting on a Sunday the day of a Colts game. Worked out as most folks were checking out when I was checking in, but realized what a zoo that is on game day.
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Yes it is.
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We spent Saturday night up in Roslyn, WA as a post-birthday getaway. Roslyn is best know for being where they filmed the exterior shots for "Northern Exposure".



Cool little town (pop. ~900), and it was fun to stay somewhere where everything is with a 2 block area. And we had drinks at The Brick, the oldest continually operating drinking establishment in the state. It still has a working spittoon trough under the foot rail at the bar.
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Define "working spittoon," please.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:32 pm Define "working spittoon," please.
Basically a trough under the bar foot rail with running water. They sometimes run "spittoon races" in it.



A very drunk woman sitting at the bar told us that sometimes they've had to kick out hammered dudes who "whip it out" and take a leak in it...
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There's no way that 100% of us didn't have that exact thought.
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Thank you.

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DaveInSeattle wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:52 pm We spent Saturday night up in Roslyn, WA as a post-birthday getaway. Roslyn is best know for being where they filmed the exterior shots for "Northern Exposure".

The moose, however, lived in Pullman.
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I loved that show. One of the last network TV shows I watched regularly.
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Has anyone ever gotten an EV rental car? We're considering it for a trip in November, but not sure how it works with the re-charging part of it.
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While I have not, a) some friends have and b) we've looked into it quite a bit.

Some (probably) obvious points:

* - If you are sticking within a city, pretty much not an issue. If you are planning on doing a lot of day excursions, do your research on charging stations.

* - Again, look ahead at where you are staying and if it's E/V friendly. We are big VRBO proponents and obviously not every spot is going to accommodate overnight charging.

* - Familiarize yourself with the specific model of car you rent. Apparently, a lot of folks just roll up on these things and depending on the model, it's not intuitive to turn on, navigate the control panels, and to find/conduct the charging system.

* - Final obvious point* is that it can take 20-30 minutes to fully charge a vehicle. One of the things about rentals is that the batteries get fried because everyone does the quick-hitter charge and that degrades the overall battery life. But, just logistically, I think ppl think it's like filling up a gas tank. It's not.

* This is one of the main reasons I don't want a straight E/V instead of hybrid. When I'm on the road, I don't like dicking around at my stops. Sitting around for 20-30 minutes is suboptimal for us.
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If you ever saw the 2023 episode of It’s Always Sunny titled “Dennis takes a mental health day”, you probably wouldn’t go with an EV rental car. Ridiculous situations, as always.
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sancarlos wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:54 pm If you ever saw the 2023 episode of It’s Always Sunny titled “Dennis takes a mental health day”, you probably wouldn’t go with an EV rental car. Ridiculous situations, as always.
That one was so so so good.
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