Shirley wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 12:00 pm
Yeah, I've watched a few of those videos as well. They do a great job of showing how these talented folks hear music differently than the rest of us.
I saw this one today. They gave this dude Tool! It's very funny. I haven't watched it all the way through yet (it's nearly 30 minutes), but he spends a LOT of time trying to break down the patterns and time signatures. Tool ain't easy.
I think this was shared here before, but Danny Carey is a fucking virtuoso.
Edit:
Ah, I see that 9 minutes in they show the video I shared. Regardless, it's awesome to share separately.
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EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Just watch the first 5-6 minutes of this to see how creepy Bill Maher is around kids...
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. - God
For all the horrifically shortsighted and just plain incorrect decisions he makes, David Zazlav (and God I hate that I know who he is) keeping Maher employed has to be one of the most egregious.
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YT recommended this one to me. This dude apparently has not only never heard Dark Side of the Moon, but he doesn't know who Pink Floyd is. What made my jaw nearly break dropping was his announcement that he's a music producer and has been professional for 10 years. What. The. Fuck.
It's worth it just for his incredibly ignorant (yet somehow knowledgable) comments.
Shirley wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:51 pm
YT recommended this one to me. This dude apparently has not only never heard Dark Side of the Moon, but he doesn't know who Pink Floyd is. What made my jaw nearly break dropping was his announcement that he's a music producer and has been professional for 10 years. What. The. Fuck.
It's worth it just for his incredibly ignorant (yet somehow knowledgable) comments.
I don’t know what to make of this. How is it possible to be a music producer and completely ignorant of the 1960s and 70s? Wouldn’t you want to understand the progression of music leading to what you are doing? And he doesn’t know who Punk Floyd are at all? WTF?
Side note, I loved Dark Side since I first heard it in 7th grade, but the last couple of years, it really resonates with me even more and might be my current alltime favorite album. Seeing Government Mule play the album live put it over the top, man that was an incredible show.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
There's a great doc on the making of DSOTM on Prime.
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. - God
Hmm - as I'm trying harder to be less-cynical as I age (although it's really fking difficult)... it's probably true if only that the term "Music Producer" encompasses a whole hell of a lot more (or less, depending on how you look at it) than it did in the age of George Martin, Andy Johns, or Alan Parsons (joke definitely intended there...).
I mean - fk: *I've* been a professional music producer for 10 years because literally people (suckers) have paid me money to record/mix/produce them but likely nobody's heard of anyone I've produced. No knock on any of the artists - it's just that the barrier to entry is almost entirely eliminated now; e.g. i've worked with a lot of (mostly?) people on either end of the age scale; usually ends up being some 20yr old who wants to rap for the first time or a 50yr old singing gospel tunes. I have a basement studio; Abbey Road it is not.
I don't know this guy but it's entirely plausible that he produces electronic music for/by his age group entirely, makes a living off of it, and clearly has a social media presence and has never had the curiousity to explore more ...
(...which is admittedly beyond my understanding ...)
Shirley wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:25 pm
My favorite YouTube comment under the video was something like "I'm an astronomer, but I've never heard of Mars."
Would have been better if they had said "but I've never heard of the Moon."
To quote both Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone, "Fuck Duff Meltzer."
I'm equal part cynical its true and thinking it could just be the perspective of this board of 40+ white dudes who of course know Pink Floyd (even me who never listened to them). Like would we have the same reaction if someone had never heard of Rakim who is just as important to rap as Pink Floyd was to rock?
A_B wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:54 pmand henceforth I imagine I’ll be Old …we…t spot AB.
mister d wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:48 pm
I'm equal part cynical its true and thinking it could just be the perspective of this board of 40+ white dudes who of course know Pink Floyd (even me who never listened to them). Like would we have the same reaction if someone had never heard of Rakim who is just as important to rap as Pink Floyd was to rock?
Dude.
Rakim may be important, but Pink Floyd is the 3rd best selling rock band of all time. 250 million albums sold. Dark Side was in the Billboard 200 for nearly twenty years!
mister d wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:48 pm
I'm equal part cynical its true and thinking it could just be the perspective of this board of 40+ white dudes who of course know Pink Floyd (even me who never listened to them). Like would we have the same reaction if someone had never heard of Rakim who is just as important to rap as Pink Floyd was to rock?
Dude.
Rakim may be important, but Pink Floyd is the 3rd best selling rock band of all time. 250 million albums sold. Dark Side was in the Billboard 200 for nearly twenty years!
OTOH, Pink Floyd never put out an album with Eric B.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
mister d wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:48 pm
I'm equal part cynical its true and thinking it could just be the perspective of this board of 40+ white dudes who of course know Pink Floyd (even me who never listened to them). Like would we have the same reaction if someone had never heard of Rakim who is just as important to rap as Pink Floyd was to rock?
Dude.
Rakim may be important, but Pink Floyd is the 3rd best selling rock band of all time. 250 million albums sold. Dark Side was in the Billboard 200 for nearly twenty years!
OTOH, Pink Floyd never put out an album with Eric B.
Rakim may be important, but Pink Floyd is the 3rd best selling rock band of all time. 250 million albums sold. Dark Side was in the Billboard 200 for nearly twenty years!
And if you like rock or are of a certain age, there's no way you've missed out on them. I guarantee you a sample of "music liking 20-somethings" will not yield the Pink Floyd awareness percentage you're implying here.
A_B wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:54 pmand henceforth I imagine I’ll be Old …we…t spot AB.
yeah, i've been thinking about this way too much since last night because my knee-jerk reaction yesterday was definitely "come tf on" before considering it a bit more
(also the proliferation of "first-time listening/reaction" videos is a bit much - I definitely bit on a lot of them early on but it seems to be a bit saturated ... i digress).
Was realizing this morning - and I will definitely put it to the test - that a friend of mine who is my local production partner is somewhere in his late 20s, grew up in the inner city, and there's probably a very high chance he's never heard of Pink Floyd. I'm actually kind of excited to ask him and play a bit of DSOM for him....WAIT GUYS THIS IS A GREAT IDEA FOR A VIDEO BLOG!!!!....
mister d wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:46 am
Right. My wife and I are both late 70s born and we couldn't figure out what the "do-do do-do do do" song was sometime around like 2004?
I'm kind of torn on this. If you're in the music scene and you've never heard certain songs or genres there's an "Are you fucking serious?" kind of reaction I have.
Simultaneously, if you've never thought to venture into listening to other genres and stay in your own little preferred bubble, I can totally understand why you've never heard of certain groups or any of their songs.
I've shared various videos from Drumeo where the virtuoso drummer they're highlighting has never heard of the song they are coming up with drums for and I'm like "You've never heard Mr. Brightside by The Killers ever? Not even in the supermarket?"
And then I think back to my youth where I primarily listened to Rap and R&B and was like "Why does that rock group have so many "Ys" in their name? What's their deal?"
So I guess it's all relative.
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EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
was just typing up essentially the same response as Johnnie but you beat me to it
I guess it's simultaneously understanding that especially in the internet age there's even more splintering or cocooning of interests and sub-genres so logically I can get why or how these gaps happen.
On the other hand how the fk do you not know Fool in the Rain Baby Shark (even though it's not one of my favourite songs) just by osmosis???
The cultural and social aspects of this are actually pretty fascinating. I guess I'll throw a personal example - before maybe 2 years ago I'm confident I'd never heard a Kanye song in my life and I know he's huge. Although I had *heard* of him so there's that as well... (although still sociology there: through constant Reddit scrolling or pop culture memes I'd seen the name but FK haha i'm also just remembering / self-owning that until a few years ago I legitimately thought his name was Kayne. Readers vocabulary or dyslexia or both because I'd probably never heard anyone *say* his name)
MaxWebster wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:29 amOn the other hand how the fk do you not know Fool in the Rain Baby Shark (even though it's not one of my favourite songs) just by osmosis???
That kinda gets to my original point ... I never didn't listen to music but I also never really had classic rock friends. I had a lot of massive knowledge gaps into my 20s but depth in very specific areas.
A_B wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:54 pmand henceforth I imagine I’ll be Old …we…t spot AB.
As a parent of two twenty-something kids that are deeply into music, not knowing Pink Floyd is a little tough to take. One of them is deeply into 60s and 70s music and has Dark Side and Wish You Were Here on vinyl.
I get that some folks that live in the electronic, R&B, hip-hop whatever genre might not be intimately familiar, but, like... I just don't buy a self-professed music producer being completely oblvious.
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I just texted my DnD group, comprised of 3 Dads and 4 twentysomethings. So far, 3 of 4 are fully aware of PF. It doesn't hurt that PF remains one of the most played groups whilst getting high. (So I'm told by one of my kids.)
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
ah you know i'm just kidding - i like that phrase "massive knowledge gaps....but depth in very specific areas" - I was definitely the same, but it's pretty easy to guess we had very different depths!
just remembering another blind spot of mine that i do not apologize for - we had my 40th bday party at a karaoke bar in Somerville (cannot remember the name...) and had about 20 friends there; 1 of them was screaming for us to do Rock Lobster which a) i really had never heard before which she absolutely did not believe and proceeded to do with someone else and b) i was left feeling i really wish I'd never heard that song. then and now.
MaxWebster wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:29 amOn the other hand how the fk do you not know Fool in the Rain Baby Shark (even though it's not one of my favourite songs) just by osmosis???
That kinda gets to my original point ... I never didn't listen to music but I also never really had classic rock friends. I had a lot of massive knowledge gaps into my 20s but depth in very specific areas.
yeah i hear you - my 2 girls (college aged) know all about DSOM, younger one has it on vinyl and the poster on her wall.
again.... i don't disagree that it's hard to buy (and I'm definitely being prejudiced here so treading lightly but especially a white dude around age 30 it's really tough to think he hasn't been exposed somehow) but you too can be a "music producer" - the scale is vast.
this has probably become a different topic - wasn't there a thread called Cultural Blind Spots? Musical Blind Spots would be a good one - although it'd be hard to name an act you've never even heard *of*....
(OT: i wish i had an in-person DnD group...my old c1981 modules and books collecting dust in the basement)
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:18 pm
As a parent of two twenty-something kids that are deeply into music, not knowing Pink Floyd is a little tough to take. One of them is deeply into 60s and 70s music and has Dark Side and Wish You Were Here on vinyl.
I get that some folks that live in the electronic, R&B, hip-hop whatever genre might not be intimately familiar, but, like... I just don't buy a self-professed music producer being completely oblvious.
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I just texted my DnD group, comprised of 3 Dads and 4 twentysomethings. So far, 3 of 4 are fully aware of PF. It doesn't hurt that PF remains one of the most played groups whilst getting high. (So I'm told by one of my kids.)
MaxWebster wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:29 amOn the other hand how the fk do you not know Fool in the Rain Baby Shark (even though it's not one of my favourite songs) just by osmosis???
That kinda gets to my original point ... I never didn't listen to music but I also never really had classic rock friends. I had a lot of massive knowledge gaps into my 20s but depth in very specific areas.
I'm the opposite, my friends were all classic rock and jam bands, I had very little hip-hop/rap exposure except for the stuff that crossed into Pop (RunDMC, Beastie Boys, Rob Base, Biggie, all hits that were played in bars...). I've known the name Rakim forever, and obviously knew of Eric B. and Rakim, but I did a quick dive on Spotify, and I don't remember ever hearing a single song out of the 10 or so most listened to. I really like the Rakim stuff I heard, and the Eric B. and Rakim is great for it's time, but not something I'd listen to now.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
because my knee-jerk reaction yesterday was definitely "come tf on" before considering it a bit more 
- i like that phrase "massive knowledge gaps....but depth in very specific areas" - I was definitely the same, but it's pretty easy to guess we had very different depths! 