World Cup 2014 Knockout Rounds (SPOILERS, YO!)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:17 am

degenerasian wrote:
Rex wrote:I imagine Brazil will change as many players as possible, and the guys who come in will probably be wrapped too tight to play well, but it can't be worse than this. Better question is how many of these guys will continue on with the team after this? You can't just scrap everyone I guess.
Brazil has to reassess. Their league plays a dirty style where everything is a foul. They have gotten used to playing this dirty.
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Nearly every player on the team that played significant minutes plays in Europe.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:34 am

The NY Post blew it on the headline today. "Das Boot." Lame. Should have gone with Kroos Control and a picture of Kroos celebrating on of his goals. #hireme

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:37 am

If Kroos had scored all their goals, sure.

I call it a draw.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:58 am

The Sybian wrote:WTF just happened? I had the game on my iPod, but was working and not really paying attention. Saw the first goal, and lost connection to my server. Got back on and rebooted the Watch ESPN app, had to sign in with cable provider... caught Khedira' s goal. Wow, 2-0. Look up at the score, HOLY FUCK!

I listened to the second half on the radio driving home. Listening to JP Dellacamera was like going home again. As much as I love Sir Ian Darke, and I love him more than I love love, JP is still the voice of US soccer to me. JP and Ray were convinced that Ozil purposely shot wide at the end of the game when he had an easy goal? True?

So, it looks like Fred is not going to win any popularity contests. Why did they only take out their frustration on Fred?

I think Ozil finishes that under different circumstances, but I don't know that he consciously made a decision to miss that shot. Hard to articulate, but just the fact that he took the shot at the top of the 18 said something to me. Apparently one of his players was screaming at him for not scoring.

And I don't think Fred was being singled out or will be the one to take the bulk of the blame. Just so happened that they put him up on the big screen (for some odd reason.)

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:12 am

But back to Sybs overall WTF just happened point.

People give Macca a hard time, because his analysis can be kind of thin, but boy was he all over the Brazilians from early on about their lack of desire to play defense.

With the stakes on the line in that game... that performance was truly baffling. I know that it's idiotic to compare the US effort and scoreline, completely different circumstances. And I know that but for a superhuman effort from SecDef Howard we could've been on the wrong end of a similar scoreline against Belgium, but... BUT...

A US squad would never give up that much space in the middle of the park like that. And we might be flying around like idiots, but at least we would've been flying around. At least Jones, Beckerman and just about everyone else would have been FOULING the shit out of the Germans. That's what I couldn't believe about that game... Where was the heart?

To me, it's one thing to go down in flames, but scream and yell and gnash your teeth. Even if just for show, for cripes sake.

One of the pillars of hatred against Mexico is how they reacted to losing to the US, highlighted by Marquez trying to snap Cobi Jones in half in Korea. But you know what, at least they let their fans know that they gave a shit.

I don't even know how those guys show their faces in Brazil for a very very long time after that performance.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:25 am

Sorry, I know I'm pretty much talking to myself at this point, but something's been bugging me... I had this nagging feeling that I had a really similar personal experience, I just couldn't pull it.

Game 7 loss to the Penguins in 2010 playoffs. I was at the Verizon Center for that game. The series had been amazing up to that point, with Ovechkin and Crosby playing out of this world, and multiple OT winners for both teams.

Game 7 was going to be EPIC!

By somewhere in the 2nd period Caps were down 5-0. Totally deflated, not skating... debacle.

I'll never forget that feeling. Just total shock and utter disbelief.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:29 am

2009!

EPIC!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:37 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:Sorry, I know I'm pretty much talking to myself at this point, but something's been bugging me... I had this nagging feeling that I had a really similar personal experience, I just couldn't pull it.

Game 7 loss to the Penguins in 2010 playoffs. I was at the Verizon Center for that game. The series had been amazing up to that point, with Ovechkin and Crosby playing out of this world, and multiple OT winners for both teams.

Game 7 was going to be EPIC!

By somewhere in the 2nd period Caps were down 5-0. Totally deflated, not skating... debacle.

I'll never forget that feeling. Just total shock and utter disbelief.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/recap?gameId=400462038" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:38 am

That was a fun night

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:41 am

mister d wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:Sorry, I know I'm pretty much talking to myself at this point, but something's been bugging me... I had this nagging feeling that I had a really similar personal experience, I just couldn't pull it.

Game 7 loss to the Penguins in 2010 playoffs. I was at the Verizon Center for that game. The series had been amazing up to that point, with Ovechkin and Crosby playing out of this world, and multiple OT winners for both teams.

Game 7 was going to be EPIC!

By somewhere in the 2nd period Caps were down 5-0. Totally deflated, not skating... debacle.

I'll never forget that feeling. Just total shock and utter disbelief.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/recap?gameId=400462038" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Man, that's just mean.

Hey nonlinear, Orpik was only 29 and fantastic for the Pens during that 2009 Cup run. Hope that cheers you up after the last post.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:48 am

"And sure, he wasn't the most mobile player even back then, but he could keep up enough to use his physicality. I mean, yeah, the league was more physical even 5 years ago, but ..."

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:50 am

Yeah, that sucked, but nowhere close to the Pens loss. That Rangers series just never felt right. By the time game 7 rolled in, the momentum was so clearly in the Gers favor.

But the Pens series, we'd just won on a Steckel OT goal... Just a completely different vibe going into that game.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:27 am

AB_skin_test wrote:
degenerasian wrote:
Rex wrote:I imagine Brazil will change as many players as possible, and the guys who come in will probably be wrapped too tight to play well, but it can't be worse than this. Better question is how many of these guys will continue on with the team after this? You can't just scrap everyone I guess.
Brazil has to reassess. Their league plays a dirty style where everything is a foul. They have gotten used to playing this dirty.
.
Nearly every player on the team that played significant minutes plays in Europe.

sure but they started in Brazil, they watched the Brazillian league as a kid. It's now in their mentality to tackle and flop. The Zico generation never flopped. The Ronaldinho generation began to and now Neymar is just a flopper.

And for some reason this group of Brazillian players were psychologically weak. They turned their backs and not watching the Brazil-Chile shootout. They hold up Neymar's jersey during the semi's national anthem. They simply didn't have confidence in themselves.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:45 pm

People keep uploading that game to Pornhub. That's funny.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:28 pm

I'm going to predict Argentina 7, Holland 1

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:44 pm

I predict Argentina wins 2-1. Whoever is closest is the smarter soccer fan.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:04 pm

2-1 Hup Holland!

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:20 pm

So did one of the Dutch players just explode next to their goal?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:30 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote:So did one of the Dutch players just explode next to their goal?

Yeah, it happens. Unfortunate, but necessary part of the game.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:33 pm

The gaze of the eyes says concussion. Seriously doubt he'll come off, though.

Nonlinear FC wrote:
Johnny Carwash wrote:So did one of the Dutch players just explode next to their goal?

He blowed up real good. (But don't be so sentimental; things explode every day)

ETA: ten swamp bucks for the name of the character that explodes in that Python skit.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:36 pm

I think concussions and brain injuries are a serious issue that need to be addressed, but in Mascherano's case you'll have to convince me that there's something capable of being damaged.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:47 pm

I've been ruined by yesterday. I need something insane to happen to keep my interest in this pedestrian affair.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:37 pm

Can someone explain to me how that was offsides? Looked like a good goal to me.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:40 pm

Ah, it didn't actually go in the net. nm

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:40 pm

brian wrote:Can someone explain to me how that was offsides? Looked like a good goal to me.

The one that hit the side-netting?

ETA: yes

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:41 pm

Yeah I thought they called offsides.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:05 pm

wow, all 3 subs on, no keeper change tonight.

Holland better win it before the shootout.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:07 pm

Sneijder's foot could double as a T-shirt gun tonight.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:55 pm

In the end, it should be a fascinating final.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:25 pm

brian wrote:In the end, it should be a fascinating final.

Hopefully better than the dreck they served today. Ugh.

A while back, I remember reading an article suggesting that they should do the tiebreaking penalties before the game (or maybe before the extra time). That way, the teams know who has the tiebreaker in hand, so one of the teams has to spend the game avoiding a tie instead of playing for it.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:35 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:In the end, it should be a fascinating final.
Hopefully better than the dreck they served today. Ugh.

A while back, I remember reading an article suggesting that they should do the tiebreaking penalties before the game (or maybe before the extra time). That way, the teams know who has the tiebreaker in hand, so one of the teams has to spend the game avoiding a tie instead of playing for it.

Seems silly. Tiebreaker should only be last resort.

The team winning the pregame shootout would just park the bus.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:42 pm

How would it be different from any game where a team is leading by 1?

I like the idea in theory, but it would make extra time somewhat disjointed.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:44 pm

Well, if both teams have the same number of goals after 90 minutes, it's already a tie. So that would still work to do the penalty kicks before the extra time.

Having the final tiebreaker come first does seem silly. But it would be just as valid as having them after, and lead to a more entertaining competition.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:57 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:In the end, it should be a fascinating final.
Hopefully better than the dreck they served today. Ugh.

Agreed. Today's game was pretty brutal. I'll be rooting hard for Germany in the Final, in large part because I'd like to see a team that has actually shown an ability to play an attacking style win the Cup. Apart from their 3-2 win over Nigeria, where neither team played too much defense, Argentina is only averaging 1 goal per game for the tournament. Germany, on the other hand, has scored multiple goals against everyone except France and the US (although, admittedly, both their goals vs. Algeria were in extra time).

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:04 pm

Rex wrote:How would it be different from any game where a team is leading by 1?

I like the idea in theory, but it would make extra time somewhat disjointed.

It would be very similar to a game where a team is leading by 1.

But I think that is usually the most exciting situation in soccer (a team up by 1), especially in extra time.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:10 pm

howard wrote:The gaze of the eyes says concussion. Seriously doubt he'll come off, though.

Nonlinear FC wrote:
Johnny Carwash wrote:So did one of the Dutch players just explode next to their goal?
He blowed up real good. (But don't be so sentimental; things explode every day)

ETA: ten swamp bucks for the name of the character that explodes in that Python skit.

Mr. Creosote.

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:16 pm

howard wrote:ETA: ten swamp bucks for the name of the character that explodes in that Python skit.

If you're talking about the "How Not To Be Seen Skit", then the character is Mr. Gumby (and no, not the green dude).

If you're talking about The Meaning of Life, then the character is Mr. Creosote.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:43 pm

I stand to win way more than I did on the Kings in the Stanley Cup if Argentina wins so that's my horse. I might even have to consider hedging.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:50 pm

TV show episode, not a film. The full line:

"Oh mother, don't be so sentimental. Things explode every day."

("Of course I can talk; I'm the Minister for Overseas Development")

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ETA: I had forgotten about Mr. Gumby. Shouldn't have snitched. But he fared no better than Mrs. B. J. Smegma:

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Post by **Sabo** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:14 pm

howard wrote:TV show episode, not a film. The full line:

"Oh mother, don't be so sentimental. Things explode every day."

("Of course I can talk; I'm the Minister for Overseas Development")

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ETA: I had forgotten about Mr. Gumby. Shouldn't have snitched. But he fared no better than Mrs. B. J. Smegma:

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Ah, good ol' Mrs. Niggerbaiter. Forgot about her. Then again, the Pythons did have a predilection for blowing things up (penguins, radios, people, etc.).

This skit is definitely in my top 5 for all things Monty Python.