We Doing This Shit Again? (Trump Admin Meltdown II)

[L-Jam3]

The Germans bring up a good point. Their history lessons in primary education require teachings of the Holocaust and the Nazi era. No whitewashing (no pun intended). They teach the horrors (I’m assuming) in an age-appropriate manner. Those who make the decision on it being taught feel that despite that era being its country’s worst actions upon humanity, this is necessary to know so it doesn’t happen again.

Compare that with here in the US. Slavery is our national original sin. Putting aside the horrors of slavery, it was one of, if not the most, dominant force in our nation’s history. State borders are literally drawn as a result of it. But instead of teaching it, in so many areas of the country, primarily red areas and in the south, choose to downplay it. Think of DeSantis saying slaves gained valuable skills. Even if he was doing it to pander to his base, which is what I suspect more than he actually believes it, the audience he said it to wants to think it.

I’m really curious why this is. Is it because Germany is more considerably less ethnically diverse than the US? They choose to take responsibility? Or is it that those in the south with a connection to slavers through their ancestors don’t want to admit that their ancestors did evil? I don’t know why? Is the century of white oppression of blacks in the south post Reconstruction so poisoned their thinking?

[The Sybian]

Picturing the germans just shrugging and discarding "The Hitler Report".

Not as bad as voting him back into office after 4 years out.

[Nonlinear FC]

I don't have time to type out a long response, LJam. I can't speak to the German experience.

But if you just go back and look at Daughters of the Confederacy and the overall effort to erect Confederate "hero" statues throughout the South about 30-40 years after the Civil War and the corresponding propaganda that sprung up around this time, you will know everything you need to know about the through line of whitewashing in America.

I think folks think that the controversy around the Confederate flag and the bullshit about the war not being about slavery popped up in the last 2 decades. It has been going on for ~140 years at this point.

[Jerloma]

The Germans bring up a good point. Their history lessons in primary education require teachings of the Holocaust and the Nazi era. No whitewashing (no pun intended). They teach the horrors (I’m assuming) in an age-appropriate manner. Those who make the decision on it being taught feel that despite that era being its country’s worst actions upon humanity, this is necessary to know so it doesn’t happen again.

Compare that with here in the US. Slavery is our national original sin. Putting aside the horrors of slavery, it was one of, if not the most, dominant force in our nation’s history. State borders are literally drawn as a result of it. But instead of teaching it, in so many areas of the country, primarily red areas and in the south, choose to downplay it. Think of DeSantis saying slaves gained valuable skills. Even if he was doing it to pander to his base, which is what I suspect more than he actually believes it, the audience he said it to wants to think it.

I’m really curious why this is. Is it because Germany is more considerably less ethnically diverse than the US? They choose to take responsibility? Or is it that those in the south with a connection to slavers through their ancestors don’t want to admit that their ancestors did evil? I don’t know why? Is the century of white oppression of blacks in the south post Reconstruction so poisoned their thinking?

Yeah, we've done a terrible job holding ourselves accountable for slavery and educating our citizens on it. It's just not a deterrent.

Beyond that, we're only 250 years old and don't really have any fascism/tyranny in our history, plus a constitution specifically designed to protect against it. Sure, we can look at Europe and really pretty much anywhere in the world to learn those lessons, but I just think we're too damn brazen to think it could happen here despite the blatantly fascist/tyrannical rhetoric of the incoming administration.

[P.D.X.]

I’m really curious why this is. Is it because Germany is more considerably less ethnically diverse than the US? They choose to take responsibility? Or is it that those in the south with a connection to slavers through their ancestors don’t want to admit that their ancestors did evil? I don’t know why? Is the century of white oppression of blacks in the south post Reconstruction so poisoned their thinking?

- American exceptionalism
- Freedom of religion leading to liberal interpretations of the bible used to justify ugly impulses and enforce power structures (the curse of Ham, Genesis, etc)
- A culture and society that materially benefitted from slavery. Tough to admit that your whole society was based on the enslavement of ppl, especially when one is still reaping the generational wealth and benefits.

[Johnnie]

This Hegseth confirmation hearing is something. I'm catching clips online here and there.

[P.D.X.]

Masterclass in bad faith arguments.

[Johnnie]

Y'all ready for Monday?
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[Jerloma]

Trump: When I was president, I demanded that this guy, the governor, accept the water coming from the north, from way up in Canada. And, you know, the north, it flows down through right through Los Angeles. I mean, massive millions and millions of gallons of water a week, probably, I think, even a day. Massive amounts coming out from the mountains, from the melts. And even without it, even during the summer, it's a natural flow of water. They would have had so much water they wouldn't have known what to do with it. You would have never had the fires. People would have been able to sprinkle their lawns and everything else. You know, the problem is it's so dry. It was always so dry there. And it's just it's just a mess. They could have maintained their forests.

I honestly believe that he just looks at a map and sees Canada higher than LA so thinks that's where the water goes cause gravity.

[EnochRoot]

The Germans bring up a good point. Their history lessons in primary education require teachings of the Holocaust and the Nazi era. No whitewashing (no pun intended). They teach the horrors (I’m assuming) in an age-appropriate manner. Those who make the decision on it being taught feel that despite that era being its country’s worst actions upon humanity, this is necessary to know so it doesn’t happen again.

Compare that with here in the US. Slavery is our national original sin. Putting aside the horrors of slavery, it was one of, if not the most, dominant force in our nation’s history. State borders are literally drawn as a result of it. But instead of teaching it, in so many areas of the country, primarily red areas and in the south, choose to downplay it. Think of DeSantis saying slaves gained valuable skills. Even if he was doing it to pander to his base, which is what I suspect more than he actually believes it, the audience he said it to wants to think it.

I’m really curious why this is. Is it because Germany is more considerably less ethnically diverse than the US? They choose to take responsibility? Or is it that those in the south with a connection to slavers through their ancestors don’t want to admit that their ancestors did evil? I don’t know why? Is the century of white oppression of blacks in the south post Reconstruction so poisoned their thinking?

The Confederate generals and Beauregard Davis needed to be shot/hung/drawn and quartered for treason.

[A_B]

If it wouldn't be so bad for so many, Biden getting the Peace Prize with Trump in office might stroke him out.

(Note: Biden does NOT deserve a Peace Prize.)

[Jerloma]

Biden: "St John said 'blessed are the peacemakers.' So many people here are those peacemakers"...names a bunch of war criminals.

[Shirley]

The Germans bring up a good point. Their history lessons in primary education require teachings of the Holocaust and the Nazi era. No whitewashing (no pun intended). They teach the horrors (I’m assuming) in an age-appropriate manner. Those who make the decision on it being taught feel that despite that era being its country’s worst actions upon humanity, this is necessary to know so it doesn’t happen again.

Compare that with here in the US. Slavery is our national original sin. Putting aside the horrors of slavery, it was one of, if not the most, dominant force in our nation’s history. State borders are literally drawn as a result of it. But instead of teaching it, in so many areas of the country, primarily red areas and in the south, choose to downplay it. Think of DeSantis saying slaves gained valuable skills. Even if he was doing it to pander to his base, which is what I suspect more than he actually believes it, the audience he said it to wants to think it.

I’m really curious why this is. Is it because Germany is more considerably less ethnically diverse than the US? They choose to take responsibility? Or is it that those in the south with a connection to slavers through their ancestors don’t want to admit that their ancestors did evil? I don’t know why? Is the century of white oppression of blacks in the south post Reconstruction so poisoned their thinking?

Germany lost the war and was occupied by their enemies. They had to accept all sorts of penalties, and they surely needed to show contrition and accept guilt to keep those penalties to a relative minimum. Absent that, I'm not so sure they'd have been quite so forthright about their sins for all these years.

In the US, the slaves never won a war against the US. Obviously the Confederacy lost the Civil War but we had to then try to reunite the country in a way that didn't have to happen in Germany. (Quite the opposite, as we split it.) And while the Union was against slavery, they weren't really too eager to let the newly freed slaves have too much say in things.

[Johnnie]

[Johnnie]

An actual qualified selection. Holy crap.

[P.D.X.]

First to be out then.

[sancarlos]

Anybody else think it’s weird that the inauguration is scheduled on the date of a federal holiday?

[Johnnie]

[Johnnie]

Anybody else think it’s weird that the inauguration is scheduled on the date of a federal holiday?

The inauguration date is fixed to the 20th. MLK Day is observed on the 3rd Monday in January yearly. It's just a coincidence.

Like my Dad's birthday being on Mother's Day sometimes. My mom's birthday being on Easter sometimes. And my sister's birthday being on Labor Day sometimes.

[sancarlos]

Anybody else think it’s weird that the inauguration is scheduled on the date of a federal holiday?

The inauguration date is fixed to the 20th. MLK Day is observed on the 3rd Monday in January yearly. It's just a coincidence.

Like my Dad's birthday being on Mother's Day sometimes. My mom's birthday being on Easter sometimes. And my sister's birthday being on Labor Day sometimes.

Yes, but it wouldn’t have been much of a problem to have moved the inauguration to the 21st this time around.

[Johnnie]

Anybody else think it’s weird that the inauguration is scheduled on the date of a federal holiday?

The inauguration date is fixed to the 20th. MLK Day is observed on the 3rd Monday in January yearly. It's just a coincidence.

Like my Dad's birthday being on Mother's Day sometimes. My mom's birthday being on Easter sometimes. And my sister's birthday being on Labor Day sometimes.

Yes, but it wouldn’t have been much of a problem to have moved the inauguration to the 21st this time around.

Other than the Constitution, I guess. When the 20th falls on a Sunday, a private ceremony takes place for the transfer, and the 21st is the public ceremony.

[Johnnie]

I'm just mad we definitely won't be getting a William Henry Harrison moment.

[duff]

Anybody else think it’s weird that the inauguration is scheduled on the date of a federal holiday?

The inauguration date is fixed to the 20th. MLK Day is observed on the 3rd Monday in January yearly. It's just a coincidence.

Like my Dad's birthday being on Mother's Day sometimes. My mom's birthday being on Easter sometimes. And my sister's birthday being on Labor Day sometimes.

Yes, but it wouldn’t have been much of a problem to have moved the inauguration to the 21st this time around.

Other than the Constitution, I guess. When the 20th falls on a Sunday, a private ceremony takes place for the transfer, and the 21st is the public ceremony.

What is this constitution of which you speak?

[The Sybian]

Anybody else think it’s weird that the inauguration is scheduled on the date of a federal holiday?

The inauguration date is fixed to the 20th. MLK Day is observed on the 3rd Monday in January yearly. It's just a coincidence.

Like my Dad's birthday being on Mother's Day sometimes. My mom's birthday being on Easter sometimes. And my sister's birthday being on Labor Day sometimes.

Yes, but it wouldn’t have been much of a problem to have moved the inauguration to the 21st this time around.

Other than the Constitution, I guess. When the 20th falls on a Sunday, a private ceremony takes place for the transfer, and the 21st is the public ceremony.

What is this constitution of which you speak?

Yeah, this would have been the perfect test case for him to ignore the Constitution. But he wasn’t going to push it back a day.

[P.D.X.]

I like we’re pretending he wouldn’t want to upstage MLK.

[Johnnie]

Well, that's fucking disheartening. Especially after his public comments about him.

Unless it's a play to help out with giving southern California aid or something, this sucks.

[DaveInSeattle]

On a scale from 0 to 100...with 0 being nice and sane, and 100 being complete batshit lunacy, where is Trump's inaugural address going to land? About 750?

Just remembering back to 2016, when reportedly W. Bush said afterwards, "that was some weird shit"...

[sancarlos]

[rass]

I thought Snoop was having a moment last year as America’s sweetheart, but maybe he’s just in his Shaq phase and won’t say no to any paycheck.

[EnochRoot]

I thought Snoop was having a moment last year as America’s sweetheart, but maybe he’s just in his Shaq phase and won’t say no to any paycheck.

Or he feels he is above reproach, or worse, he feels it's his job to unite the aggrieved by rapping for the aggressors.

Who knows.. Fuck him. I'm not losing sleep over that clown.

[Shirley]

FWIW, the event Snoop performed at was the Inaugural Crypto Ball put on by some crypto bros, not an official inauguration event. I'm just he just did it for the check.

[HaulCitgo]

Tik tok is down with message that trump will save them. So I'm clear, it's been decided that this app is a national security issue but the dude is going to reinstate because people like it a lot. Aren't you the commander in chief?

[mister d]

That’s absolutely what will happen and the takeaway from millions of apolitical young people will be “Trump did something good for us”.

[Johnnie]

This entire TikTok charade is just so fucking stupid.

[Giff]

Well my daughter and wife are torn up about it which makes today a little better.

[HaulCitgo]

Might need to question your wife on that one.

[EnochRoot]

FWIW, the event Snoop performed at was the Inaugural Crypto Ball put on by some crypto bros, not an official inauguration event. I'm just he just did it for the check.

I, like many others, am in the “he’s a two-bit sellout whore” camp.

[HaulCitgo]

Snoop gets a pass but Nelly doesn't. Is what it is

[P.D.X.]

This entire TikTok charade is just so fucking stupid.

4 more years coming of “praise me for fixing the problem I created”

[EnochRoot]

Snoop gets a pass but Nelly doesn't. Is what it is

Nah. He’s rape adjacent. Pick your lane and stay in it.