Grantland

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:08 pm

Nothing against Garrett Morris, but when Chevy Chase was on SNL, he was the biggest star on the show, not by a small margin. He was in just about every skit, and he was awesome. Everything else he's done since then has been degrees of downhill. For him to lose is just revisionist history.

Guys like Belushi and Aykroyd bloomed more after Chevy left and was replaced by Bill Murray.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:30 pm

It seems like Chevy Chase hatred has breeds Chevy Chase hatred without people even knowing why they hate him in the first place.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:36 pm

Tim Kazurinsky trails Eddie Murphy 48,561 to 275

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:39 pm

From what I can gather, the case against Chevy Chase is that:

a) He's a dick in real life. Not disputing this.

b) He became a bigger star than he deserved to be due to having traditional leading-man good looks. This is true to a point, but still--are we now supposed to think the Vacation movies, Fletch, Spies Like Us, etc. weren't actually good?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:05 am

Round 2 underway.

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And man I hate John Belushi.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:08 am

Looks like Rob Schneider had a ton of free time yesterday.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:17 am

mister d wrote:Looks like Rob Schneider had a ton of free time yesterday.

I voted for Schneider. I made my picks based on how memorable a sketch or sketch was. I couldn't think of any Hooks skits that I remembered more than "MAKING COPIES"

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:18 am

That should set Hooks at a zero and Schneider at a negative, no?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:22 am

mister d wrote:That should set Hooks at a zero and Schneider at a negative, no?

Like you've never used "Making Copies" on someone!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:26 am

I'm young enough to have never been "makin' copies" at work.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:55 am

So, Rob Schneider was reputedly funny at one time? Do tell.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:05 am

I'll confess to finding "Makin Copies" funny. Otherwise, he's a waste of space.

Jan Hooks didn't have any real breakout success, but was a consistently solid performer, probably one of the best half-dozen female cast members the show has had.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:11 am

Jan Hooks : Phil Hartman :: John Taylor : Jerry Rice

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:14 am

I think I remember Schneider actually being funny on SNL. Maybe it was just that Making Copies skit. He's been crap after SNL, but that shouldn't count - just like Chris Rock's outstanding non-SNL career shouldn't count. Rock never did anything (other than Nat X) on SNL nearly worthy of his talents.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:12 am

Molly Shannon winning over anyone is a damned disgrace. I loved Tim Meadows, but he was more of a straight man than LOL funny. I did listen to Molly Shannon on WTF, and have to confess I actually liked her as a person, and found her life tale sympathetic. She is a good story teller.

Mike Myers over Nora Dunn with over 98% of the vote. Sounds about right. I think the other 2% are elderly Palm Beach voters who were confused by the ballot.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:19 am

I haaaaaaate Mike Myers.

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:33 pm

The Sybian wrote:Molly Shannon winning over anyone is a damned disgrace. I loved Tim Meadows, but he was more of a straight man than LOL funny. I did listen to Molly Shannon on WTF, and have to confess I actually liked her as a person, and found her life tale sympathetic. She is a good story teller.

Mike Myers over Nora Dunn with over 98% of the vote. Sounds about right. I think the other 2% are elderly Palm Beach voters who were confused by the ballot.

Molly Shannon was mostly terrible on SNL. Tim Meadows was almost never funny.

I didn't know who to vote for in that one, but finally picked Shannon because of her NPR skits. Those were actually good.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:35 pm

Yeah, I could 4 lower seeds I would have advanced over either Meadows or Shannon.

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:45 pm

Second round gets tough, particularly in the old bracket. If the seeds were set irrespective of years, a lot of folks in this group would be advancing.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:50 pm

Sandler vs Farley feels like when the tourney committee lines up two mid-majors to meet in the 2nd round.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:16 pm

I think Ladies Man is underrated.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:23 pm

The issue with Ladies Man or copier guy is that you knew the entire joke as soon as you saw the skit start. Same with the cheerleaders and same with Myers' mother-in-law. The gap between really good recurring characters (Hammond's Connery, Hader's Stefon) and those bores was "what will s/he say this time" versus tiring "oooohhh s/he's about to say it" catchphrases. When the joke is the character itself and not the words, its pointless.

(I want to include Bedelia as an underrated great skit but I fear that would undercut my entire argument here. (And also I find Nasim Pedrad incredibly cute.))

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:33 pm

I can see that with "makin' copies" a lot more than the Ladies Man, but I get your point. When compared to the classic recurring SNL skits, I think it's too much of an afterthought.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:40 pm

I love Chris Farley, but I found myself making this argument about his "... that was awesome" skit. Then I felt sad.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:29 pm

mister d wrote:The issue with Ladies Man or copier guy is that you knew the entire joke as soon as you saw the skit start. Same with the cheerleaders and same with Myers' mother-in-law. The gap between really good recurring characters (Hammond's Connery, Hader's Stefon) and those bores was "what will s/he say this time" versus tiring "oooohhh s/he's about to say it" catchphrases. When the joke is the character itself and not the words, its pointless.

(I want to include Bedelia as an underrated great skit but I fear that would undercut my entire argument here. (And also I find Nasim Pedrad incredibly cute.))

I agree with you (and HATE Ladies Man). Nasim Pedrad looks like a young Illeana Douglas.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:46 pm

She's a hot Cheri Oteri.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:54 pm

Giff wrote:She's a hot Cheri Oteri.

So incredibly annoying? Got it.

Weatherfrog · Post by **Weatherfrog** » Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:42 am

What Up With That? is my favorite ever thing.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:15 am

OOOOOOOO WEEEEEEEE!

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:23 pm

Weatherfrog wrote:What Up With That? is my favorite ever thing.

Hells yes. I can't watch as I get the damn song stuck in my head for days on end.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:51 am

Pretty much all chalk at this point.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:30 am

Ferrell vs. Hartman for the title. I think that's a good final because these guys will be remembered for SNL more than any of their after/movie projects. I mean, I love Anchorman, but More Cowbell is clearly his most memorable moment. PLus "I drive a Dodge Stratus", the cheerleaders, Celebrity Jeopardy, on and on and on.

Murphy lost to Hartman, but that's OK, because Murphy became a superstar based on movies. His SNL stuff is great..but he's Axel Foley, Klump or hell, Donkey more than he is Buckwheat or Mr. Robinson - despite those being great as well. Phil Hartman is Caveman Lawyer and Bill Clinton.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:47 am

Well, Ferrell still has more time to make more memorable movies unless his wife decides very soon to off him before killing herself. Plus, Anchorman is a pretty heavily quoted one, at least in my circles.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:48 am

Giff wrote:Well, Ferrell still has more time to make more memorable movies unless his wife decides very soon to off him before killing herself. Plus, Anchorman is a pretty heavily quoted one, at least in my circles.

Absolutely, but I don't think Ferrell the movie star will ever shine so bright as to surpass the Ferrell on SNL supernova.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:51 am

The fact that two guys from the 90s SNL made the final goes to show the age demographic of the voters. SNL's significance and influence were much greater in years previous.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:55 am

sancarlos wrote:The fact that two guys from the 90s SNL made the final goes to show the age demographic of the voters. SNL's significance and influence were much greater in years previous.

Says the old guy!

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:57 am

Yes. Watching the Simpsons marathon last weekend, I was noting how much I'm starting to sound like Grandpa Simpson.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:49 am

sancarlos wrote:Yes. Watching the Simpsons marathon last weekend, I was noting how much I'm starting to sound like Grandpa Simpson.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:27 pm

Brutal choice to make in the finals. But I think I can picture Ferrell doing most of Hartman's stuff more than the other way around. Although maybe that's because he was pretty much doing Hartman when he had to be the straight man so that's to Phil's credit? Anyway, I gave it to Ferrell. ROBERT GOULAAYYYYYYYYYYY

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:44 pm

People discount him because his post-SNL career didn't go so well, but I think a strong case can be made that Dana Carvey, based solely on what he did on the show, was the best cast member they ever had.