NFL Week 3

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:46 pm

Trying to remember why I picked Dolphins in Pick 7.

Weatherfrog · Post by **Weatherfrog** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:52 pm

Hwaet. The Teddy Bridgewater era is upon us.

Pretty excited about this. Skol!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:02 pm

tennbengal wrote:Trying to remember why I picked Dolphins in Pick 7.

probably for the same reason I picked the Texans.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:55 pm

All of the points scored in the Pats Raiders game were by players whose name ended with -kowski

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:58 pm

They Niners are getting totally worked by the refs this game. Not that they played well at all in the second half, but they had an incredible number of absolutely pivotal penalties called against them. The most recent one was a defensive PI on 3rd and long where the receiver caught the ball, then landed out-of-bounds. Shouldn't that be ruled uncatchable, considering that any contact from the defender had nothing to do with his inability to come down in bounds?

Post by **brian** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:42 pm

Joe K wrote:They Niners are getting totally worked by the refs this game. Not that they played well at all in the second half, but they had an incredible number of absolutely pivotal penalties called against them. The most recent one was a defensive PI on 3rd and long where the receiver caught the ball, then landed out-of-bounds. Shouldn't that be ruled uncatchable, considering that any contact from the defender had nothing to do with his inability to come down in bounds?

I have no sympathy. One because the Niners more than just about any team have benefited from bullshit referring and two because theoretically that should even out over the year. Fuck San Francisco and their whiny ass fans and coaches.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:44 pm

A great day for the Ravens, the Mannings, the Patriots, the NFL, and America.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:19 pm

Apparently Andy Dalton is the first person named Andy to catch a pass in the NFL since 1999.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:16 pm

If you were to look at EJ Manuel's stats - 23/39 238 yards 1td 0 int - you might think that he had a decent day against a good defence.

And certainly, we've seen QBs win games with far worse stats than that.

But if you saw the game, holy shit was he terrible. Steve Beurlein on the broadcast was merciless on him, and he was right. There was one play where the Chargers blew coverage and three Bills receivers were open and Manuel ended up overthrowing his covered safety valve. And he threw a couple of passes behind receivers that nearly got them killed.

And Bill Simmons said before the season began that he thought the 49ers would be the team that stuns people when they miss the playoffs. And this time, he may be right. And on the other side of the ball, Bruce Arians must be one hell of a coach.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:10 pm

Mike Tomlin is completely clueless at game management. He's getting worse, too.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:32 pm

Did Ike Taylor's forearm look like I think it did? Oh fuck if so.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:34 pm

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:53 pm

rass wrote:Yup.

I've been reading and I missed that. Just saw him hurt. Saw tweets and yeah.... no rewinding for me.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:49 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
rass wrote:Yup.
I've been reading and I missed that. Just saw him hurt. Saw tweets and yeah.... no rewinding for me.

I'm pretty sure the play Stewart got hurt on was right after that. Nothing crazy on either play. Just a couple of those moments when you wonder how they manage to play football without guys getting hurt like that all the time.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:03 am

EdRomero wrote:All of the points scored in the Pats Raiders game were by players whose name ended with -kowski

Stat of the day!

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:20 am

Ike Taylor's been taking those shots for years, previously from Ryan Clark. I'm surprised it took this long for one of his teammates to break him.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:14 am

Gunpowder wrote:Ike Taylor's been taking those shots for years, previously from Ryan Clark. I'm surprised it took this long for one of his teammates to break him.

That was nasty. His wrist was just swagging there.

BTW, the Steelers o-line is looking so much better this year. With that suspect secondary (and it's only getting worse), they are probably going to get in some shootouts this year. It might be like the Tommy Maddux years.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:27 am

Did Tomlin really say he was happy with the win coming "in hostile territory"? Yeah, those 27 people not yelling HEEEEATH were really rabid.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:23 am

15 teams have played 2 road games. The only one to win 'em both is the Cowboys.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:32 am

I'm really not sure what to make of the Lions at this point. The DL looks like the dominating presence I've been hoping for for the last 4 years. (And of course, Suh's walking after this year so no sense getting too excited. And yet...)

They were down to dudes in the secondary they literally signed off the street on Friday and they still made the vaunted Packers offense look stupid. So I dunno.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:33 am

I think I've lost every Lions bet I've made this year.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:34 am

Gunpowder wrote:I think I've lost every Lions bet I've made this year.

They're going to be impossible to figure out. I would never bet on or against them at this point. And of course they lost their starting MLB for the season celebrating a sack, so when the DL eventually has a rough case, they're going to get rocked.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:43 am

He's out for the year??? Jeez

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:29 pm

brian wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:I think I've lost every Lions bet I've made this year.
They're going to be impossible to figure out. I would never bet on or against them at this point. And of course they lost their starting MLB for the season celebrating a sack, so when the DL eventually has a rough case, they're going to get rocked.

Oof, brutal. Looked pretty bad, torn knee ligament? Almost as bad as Gramatica.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:53 pm

brian wrote:I'm really not sure what to make of the Lions at this point. The DL looks like the dominating presence I've been hoping for for the last 4 years. (And of course, Suh's walking after this year so no sense getting too excited. And yet...)

They were down to dudes in the secondary they literally signed off the street on Friday and they still made the vaunted Packers offense look stupid. So I dunno.

How is that vaunted GB offense? They were too scared to play in Seattle, came back against the Jets at home and then scored 7 against a non-existant secondary.

Has McCarthy run out of ideas?

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:56 pm

degenerasian wrote:
brian wrote:I'm really not sure what to make of the Lions at this point. The DL looks like the dominating presence I've been hoping for for the last 4 years. (And of course, Suh's walking after this year so no sense getting too excited. And yet...)

They were down to dudes in the secondary they literally signed off the street on Friday and they still made the vaunted Packers offense look stupid. So I dunno.
How is that vaunted GB offense? They were too scared to play in Seattle, came back against the Jets at home and then scored 7 against a non-existant secondary.

Has McCarthy run out of ideas?

Hard to say if their OL is in that bad of shape or the Lions DL/LB are that good. (Might be some of each.) I wasn't that high on the Packers coming into the season, certainly as not as much of most of the media and other assorted experts. They basically needed a bit of a miracle to come back and beat what is probably a mediocre at best Jets team (though they did play their asses off in that second half, so you have to give them credit for that).

boxcar · Post by **boxcar** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:21 pm

degenerasian wrote:
brian wrote:I'm really not sure what to make of the Lions at this point. The DL looks like the dominating presence I've been hoping for for the last 4 years. (And of course, Suh's walking after this year so no sense getting too excited. And yet...)

They were down to dudes in the secondary they literally signed off the street on Friday and they still made the vaunted Packers offense look stupid. So I dunno.
How is that vaunted GB offense? They were too scared to play in Seattle, came back against the Jets at home and then scored 7 against a non-existant secondary.

Has McCarthy run out of ideas?

The O line fucking stinks. Annnnd McCarthy might end up rivaling Ditka for worst coach to win a Super Bowl.

As a fan, I think the Packer's owner should resign. As the owner, I think that fan should go fuck himself.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:04 pm

Shirley wrote:BTW, the Steelers o-line is looking so much better this year.

Did you watch the 1st two games? They were terrible.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:15 pm

Jerloma wrote:
Shirley wrote:BTW, the Steelers o-line is looking so much better this year.
Did you watch the 1st two games? They were terrible.

Not compared to the last few seasons.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:12 pm

Sounds like someone in Pittsburgh turned on the James Harrison signal.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:46 pm

In that last series, a Bear defender got called for a 15 yard penalty for "disrespecting the refs." So the NFL is going with the always uncontroversial NBA method of random technical fouls. Another thing for them to fuck up.

And on the touchdown, the Bears were called for hitting a defenseless receiver. This same defenseless receiver turned and was trying to get in the end zone.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:06 pm

I better see some makeup calls in the second half! What happened to delaying the whistle on a possible fumble. They used to let the play continue, then call it down, so the return counts if the ruling is overturned. That pass interference was bullshit. Jeffrey held the corner's arm and somehow gets the call.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:05 am

I can't decide whether Geno Smith shows actual promise or if he sucks.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:34 am

Jerloma wrote:Mike Tomlin is completely clueless at game management. He's getting worse, too.

As I watched that and earlier saw Brady and the Pats completely fuck up before half time, I concluded that I have really overestimated the intelligence of people in the NFL. Then I thought about Gunpowder saying that Seattle plays a simpler defense than what wlux was considering for his peewee team. With the ridiculous improvement of athleticism, has intelligence become less important in football and probably other sports?

Then there's also the Rice and Peterson mess, but I think that's more about cold business, unaccountable bureaucracy, and bad leadership. Actually, there's plenty of stupidity there too.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:19 am

The Sybian wrote:I better see some makeup calls in the second half! What happened to delaying the whistle on a possible fumble. They used to let the play continue, then call it down, so the return counts if the ruling is overturned. That pass interference was bullshit. Jeffrey held the corner's arm and somehow gets the call.

Suck it, Syb.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:22 am

EdRomero wrote:Then I thought about Gunpowder saying that Seattle plays a simpler defense than what wlux was considering for his peewee team. With the ridiculous improvement of athleticism, has intelligence become less important in football and probably other sports?

When a football friend was talking last year about how good the Seattle defense was despite a lack of big names and high 1st round picks, I suggested maybe they were picking up guys with 2nd tier skill but 1st tier intelligence who were better able to read and adapt mid-play. So I was kinda close, but the opposite. They aren't smart, Seattle was just smart to be dumb.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:33 am

The Sybian wrote:I better see some makeup calls in the second half! What happened to delaying the whistle on a possible fumble. They used to let the play continue, then call it down, so the return counts if the ruling is overturned. That pass interference was bullshit. Jeffrey held the corner's arm and somehow gets the call.

This is another sign of NFL incompetence that would be so easy to fix. That shit happens all the time. It should have been fixed a long time ago. After the Hochuli debacle in the SD/Denver game, they changed the rule so that even if it's blown dead, the other team can still get the recovery which makes no sense because people stop playing when they hear a whistle. The obvious solution is just don't blow any fumbles dead. Yet they keep doing it. In SBXL, Jerramy Stevens fumbled after a catch and Farrior picked it up and started running for the end zone. Farrior was literally 10 yards down field when the refs blew it dead. Of course, nobody remembers this because the cunty Seattle fans and their victim complex.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:37 am

Isn't it impossible to just "stop blowing fumbles dead"? Every play is blown dead and refs don't knowingly screw up, they just don't see the ball out.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:42 am

DSafetyGuy wrote:
The Sybian wrote:I better see some makeup calls in the second half! What happened to delaying the whistle on a possible fumble. They used to let the play continue, then call it down, so the return counts if the ruling is overturned. That pass interference was bullshit. Jeffrey held the corner's arm and somehow gets the call.
Suck it, Syb.

The Jets got a call on that 4th down where they needed to get to the 30. Amaro looked short of the line, but they let the call stand. Jets lost because they got into the endzone once on 6 trips to the red zone. Especially pathetic against a secondary demolished by injuries. I'm happy the Jets are competing. I expected them to get blown out during this part of their schedule. everyone has them at 8 wins, a couple experts have them even higher. I went in expecting 5 or 6, but they don't look half bad.

As for Geno, I think he looks good. Huge improvement from last year. Looks much more confident in the pocket, and he throws a tight spiral that seems to get to the receivers quickly. I think the telling sign is that he has been fairly successful throwing to Kerley, Greg Salas, David Nelson and Jeff Cumberland. Decker has been hurt, so Geno really doesn't have a quality receiver. Kerley has stepped up, but he is a borderline WR2 playing as their top receiver! The entire second half, Geno had Jared Allen in his face on most passing plays. Give Geno decker and a quality #1 WR (Decker is really a #2), and I think Geno looks legit.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:45 am

mister d wrote:Isn't it impossible to just "stop blowing fumbles dead"? Every play is blown dead and refs don't knowingly screw up, they just don't see the ball out.

No, that's not the case at all. They know the ball is out almost every time because players are going after it. You can tell too the difference in the whistle when a ref just blows the play dead because the runner is down and when he blows it dead when the ball is loose. On the latter, they blow that thing like 10 times but real short ones.

(That's getting Delaware'd, isn't it?)